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sitromit
7051 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:27 Plansix wrote: Its going to be less points that the WCS events, so you can't just win those events. If you're only slightly behind or if you have equal points and you can get ahead by going to extra events that someone else can't go to, that still makes no sense. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:22 achan1058 wrote: How are the players handed over from season to season though? If it is totally separate, then why would Rain be seeded into GSL? Only one GSL OR OSL is responsible for WCS at one time. To be specific, WCS1= April Code S, WCS2 = Summer OSL, WCS3 = Fall GSL Rain/Last being seeded into the GSL is an effort to reconcile GOM & OGN, creating some synergy between the two leagues, now that both are blizzardly part of the WCS Anyway Starleagues are still what matter to me. WCS will be just another fun consolidation tourney (which is played solely on ladder maps lul) | ||
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pmp10
3401 Posts
If LAN events are few every league may end up with top of purely Koreans despite issues with latency. If they prove willing to take risks by switching regions this whole initiative may bury foreign scene instead of helping it. Also since GSL is now WCS Korea that almost certainly means the end of foreigner hopefuls playing there. Shame. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:27 iamho wrote: What a joke. This sounds like a way for them to screw over a bunch of worthy Korean players so they can put in a bunch of undeserving NA and EU players into the championships. Then they're ruining the two most prestigious tournaments in the Starcraft scene, GSL and OSL, by turning them into qualifiers. I don't understand Blizzard's fascination with ruining their own games. ? Nothing really change in the Korean scene aside from them getting more money. If anything this gives chance to more Korean players. Previously the only way they can make it is if they are code A at least and that's really tough. Now, those who struggled to succeed because of the intense competition and want to take a gamble can go and conquer other regions. Kinda like how some US Basketball players go play in Euro/Asian leagues and get paid very well. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote: If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100. Hopefully, the vods will operate like traditional GSL vods in that the first game in a series is free. And hopefully there will be rebroadcasts as well. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:27 iamho wrote: What a joke. This sounds like a way for them to screw over a bunch of worthy Korean players so they can put in a bunch of undeserving NA and EU players into the championships. Then they're ruining the two most prestigious tournaments in the Starcraft scene, GSL and OSL, by turning them into qualifiers. I don't understand Blizzard's fascination with ruining their own games. I'm still digesting this myself, but this doesn't sound right at all. - GSL and OSL are pretty much left unchanged aside from possibly taking a blow in competition (if too many players flock to the other regions) and in prestige. GSL and OSL were already qualifiers in some ways for the Blizzard Cup, this is similar to that. - It may not be as diluted with foreigners as you think, since Korean can participate outside their region. There will probably be some foreigners who make it to the seasonal finals which are international, but I can't see hardly any making the top 16 for the Blizzcon grand final. Perhaps Stephano since he's actually quite good and participates in a lot of tournaments (extra points). | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote: If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100. VODs aren't free atm, if people can't watch it live and have to pay (most likely a reduced price than it is atm) I doubt many people will complain | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:28 LighT. wrote: I'm guessing you've always hated WCG then. That's bsically what they've been doing since SC:BW. And the koreans always took 1-3 except that one year where there was chinese uprising Except nobody took WCG seriously and it was a minor event compared to OSL and MSL. WCS is controlled by Blizzard and it looks like all the organizations are being strong-armed into it at risk of another Blizzard lawsuit. They're monopolizing the entire pro Starcraft scene, which wouldn't be such a bad thing if their track record wasn't so terrible. | ||
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Zenniv
United States545 Posts
All KR WCS finals would mean some sick, close and great games (All KR), but then again what would be the difference between that and GSL/OSL. Actually I take it back, MLG/NASL/ESL tournaments are already dominated by KR players. Hum......I guess since there is already a problem you can't count the same problem twice.... | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote: If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100. Kid, 99.9% here have never seen a Baseball Game and couldn't care less. Use football terms like Champions League, UEFA Cup etc... I have no idea what any of those things are. | ||
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c0ldwinter
United States238 Posts
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:30 pmp10 wrote: Come to think about it this whole regional business may backfire badly. If LAN events are few every league may end up with top of purely Koreans despite issues with latency. If they prove willing to take risks by switching regions this whole initiative may bury foreign scene instead of helping it. That will happen if KR Master/Diamond players are that much better than NA GMs. I can totally see the KR teams sending their b-leaguers to another region for training/$ purposes but some of NA players can be competitive against the b-leaguers at least The europeans will be fine. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote: If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100. Kid, 99.9% here have never seen a Baseball Game and couldn't care less. Use football terms like Champions League, UEFA Cup etc... KR is NBA NA is D-League EU is NCAA | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:30 Arceus wrote: Only one GSL OR OSL is responsible for WCS at one time. To be specific, WCS1= April Code S, WCS2 = Summer OSL, WCS3 = Fall GSL Rain/Last being seeded into the GSL is an effort to reconcile GOM & OGN, creating some synergy between the two leagues, now that both are blizzardly part of the WCS Anyway Starleagues are still what matter to me. WCS will be just another fun consolidation tourney (which is played solely on ladder maps lul) What I meant was, where are the players of OSL/WCS2 coming from? Is it carrying over from GSL/WCS1, or from OSL last year? Unless I heard incorrectly, they are still carrying over players. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16849 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote: If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100. [sarcasm] E-sports will burn because you won't be able to watch SC2. [/sarcasm] People pay for VODs now, and you haven't waited to see if they will have rebroadcasts, or cheaper VODs than the typical GSL ticket. | ||
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ThomasR
764 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:27 LighT. wrote: I cant see the NA-WCS being much of a draw though..unless the koreans switch over... :/...the saddest part is I can see eSF and Kespa teams sending their bteamers over to NA-WCS and making NA-WCS some sort of training ground to get them into form. If using baseball terms.. WCS-KR will be MLB WCS-EU will become like Nippon Baseball League WCS-NA will become AAA baseball. indeed and it is the reason why i strongly feel that the prize money for the three different regions should NOT be the same, and should instead be scaled heavily towards the koreans | ||
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LighT.
Canada4501 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:31 iamho wrote: Except nobody took WCG seriously and it was a minor event compared to OSL and MSL. WCS is controlled by Blizzard and it looks like all the organizations are being strong-armed into it at risk of another Blizzard lawsuit. They're monopolizing the entire pro Starcraft scene, which wouldn't be such a bad thing if their track record wasn't so terrible. They did take it seriously. although the level of competition was not of the OSL/MSL. like all plans, not all of them are perfect, they will be pros and cons and I definitely see the downside to this but the positives as well. let's see how it works before making judgment. Ever since the Kespa/Blizzard fiasco, it would only be logical for blizzard to have complete control of its games at all times. Besides, this is a step in the right direction. eSF and Kespa and all the organizations should be running as one instead of separate entities. | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:34 Wintex wrote: [sarcasm] E-sports will burn because you won't be able to watch SC2. [/sarcasm] People pay for VODs now, and you haven't waited to see if they will have rebroadcasts, or cheaper VODs than the typical GSL ticket. It seems that people don't seem to understand there's an additional tournament being created out of basically nothing. All of the normal stuff is there to stay. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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