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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11133 Posts
April 03 2013 03:36 GMT
#1341
On April 03 2013 12:33 Tachion wrote:
I can't waiting for all the raging when the top 10 NA spots are all taken by Koreans.

Polt is American :/
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
April 03 2013 03:37 GMT
#1342
On April 03 2013 12:32 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote:
If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100.

If using baseball terms..
WCS-KR will be MLB
WCS-EU will become like Nippon Baseball League
WCS-NA will become AAA baseball.


Kid, 99.9% here have never seen a Baseball Game and couldn't care less. Use football terms like Champions League, UEFA Cup etc...


KR is NBA
NA is D-League
EU is NCAA


EU is probably more like the Euro-League in Basketball . A couple of decent teams/players that could take games off NBA teams / Koreans here and there but nothing sustainable.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 03 2013 03:37 GMT
#1343
FAQ: https://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9355170
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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 03 2013 03:37 GMT
#1344
On April 03 2013 12:33 Tachion wrote:
I can't waiting for all the raging when the top 10 NA spots are all taken by Koreans.


It's gonna happened.
Hoseo team ,Polt/Violet will take those spots.
Play your best
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2013 03:38 GMT
#1345
On April 03 2013 12:30 sitromit wrote:
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On April 03 2013 12:27 Plansix wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:20 sitromit wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
So a summary of the WCS holdings as I understand:

- The Korean, NA and EU SC2 scene will be united under the WCS banner as shown in the picture
- GSL/OSL, NA-GSL and EU-GSL contribute to the WCS point system, where the 16 highest ranked players will play to determine the WSC champion
- The three seasons will coincide with the tournaments. In Korea, GSL will be take place for two seasons (one running very soon and the one after summer), while OSL will be held in the summer as the point arbitrator
- Koreans and foreigners are not restricted by the regions, and can travel to every tournament to gain points.
- MLG and IEM are simultaneously independent of the WCS system, which allows Koreans and foreigners outside of their region to participate
- DreamHack, NASL, Iron Squid and other mid-tier tournaments will contribute to the point system, though at a lesser scale compared to the other regionals


I don't see how this can work in a fair system. Players who can go to these tournaments get to collect extra points. If someone who does worse in the main WCS events can get ahead of someone who's done better by collecting points at DH that the other player can't go to for some reason, that doesn't sound right.


Its going to be less points that the WCS events, so you can't just win those events.


If you're only slightly behind or if you have equal points and you can get ahead by going to extra events that someone else can't go to, that still makes no sense.


Not if they go to the same event and get the same number of points. If another player does well at Dream Hack, they should be rewarded.

Also, life isn't fair. Get a helmet.
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
April 03 2013 03:38 GMT
#1346
On April 03 2013 12:36 AgentW wrote:
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On April 03 2013 12:34 Wintex wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote:
If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100.

[sarcasm] E-sports will burn because you won't be able to watch SC2. [/sarcasm]
People pay for VODs now, and you haven't waited to see if they will have rebroadcasts, or cheaper VODs than the typical GSL ticket.

It seems that people don't seem to understand there's an additional tournament being created out of basically nothing. All of the normal stuff is there to stay.

Yeah. This is new territory for us, but to be honest, I do like this system more than even the LCS LoL thing. We are not losing the other side dishes even if we get this meal of epic proportions.
The Bomber boy
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
April 03 2013 03:38 GMT
#1347
On April 03 2013 12:29 Laryleprakon wrote:
I hope they release details when they are planing on starting the na/eu events.

Since Korea is starting now and plans for all regions should have been made a long time ago by everyone involved, I'd give it two weeks tops before things get rolling. They have about two months to finish Season 1 before the finals happen and with the early stages consisting of such a big player pool it sounds pretty time-consuming.

vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 03:41:06
April 03 2013 03:38 GMT
#1348
On April 03 2013 12:31 iamho wrote:
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On April 03 2013 12:28 LighT. wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:27 iamho wrote:
What a joke. This sounds like a way for them to screw over a bunch of worthy Korean players so they can put in a bunch of undeserving NA and EU players into the championships. Then they're ruining the two most prestigious tournaments in the Starcraft scene, GSL and OSL, by turning them into qualifiers. I don't understand Blizzard's fascination with ruining their own games.

I'm guessing you've always hated WCG then.
That's bsically what they've been doing since SC:BW.
And the koreans always took 1-3 except that one year where there was chinese uprising


Except nobody took WCG seriously and it was a minor event compared to OSL and MSL. WCS is controlled by Blizzard and it looks like all the organizations are being strong-armed into it at risk of another Blizzard lawsuit. They're monopolizing the entire pro Starcraft scene, which wouldn't be such a bad thing if their track record wasn't so terrible.


I don't see the problem. OSL and GSL are still crowning champions. It's just that those who end up at the top happen to get some points for WCS. It's not much different than NASCAR. There's still a winner of the Daytona 500 every year, along with a big ceremony afterwards, but placement matters in Sprint cup points. Nobody pays attention to the points until after the race is long over.

If anything it'll give people rooting for specific players something to cheer for regardless if they win or not (IE, Innovation just needs to get to the round of 8 to stay #1 in the points standings).
STX Fighting!
HobyHarro
Profile Joined February 2013
United States30 Posts
April 03 2013 03:39 GMT
#1349
I am so excited this sounds great!
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
April 03 2013 03:39 GMT
#1350
I hope that players in China/SEA don't lose out on paid trips if they do qualify without living the the actual region. It makes sense for people who have a set region to live in but for others it seems like a simple way to sort of help them if they do qualify with a ping disadvantage.

Overall great work by blizzard, can't wait til we find out more details about everything + what teams do to try and capitalize on it all.
Aber
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden332 Posts
April 03 2013 03:39 GMT
#1351
free 720 whole season? my god, thanks blizzard
Trying is the first step towards failure
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
April 03 2013 03:40 GMT
#1352

On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote:
If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100.

Show nested quote +
If using baseball terms..
WCS-KR will be MLB
WCS-EU will become like Nippon Baseball League
WCS-NA will become AAA baseball.


Kid, 99.9% here have never seen a Baseball Game and couldn't care less. Use football terms like Champions League, UEFA Cup etc...


Yes calling me kid will definitely elicit a pleasant response from me. I'm pretty sure I'm older than you too.
The soccer reference is pretty easy...
WCS-KR = UEFA Champions League (Premier league, La Liga teams etc)
WCS-EU = AFC Champions League
WCS-NA = CONCAFF Champions League
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
April 03 2013 03:40 GMT
#1353
THIS.... IS..... SICK!
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
April 03 2013 03:41 GMT
#1354
On April 03 2013 12:34 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 12:30 Arceus wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:22 achan1058 wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:21 Arceus wrote:
"merge" might not be the correct word imo. GSL/OSL will only serve as the qualifier, as in, they still function normally but high finishers will get the chance to play in a Blizzard tourney called WCS. Nothing change for the Starleagues except some random name-changing

How are the players handed over from season to season though? If it is totally separate, then why would Rain be seeded into GSL?

Only one GSL OR OSL is responsible for WCS at one time. To be specific, WCS1= April Code S, WCS2 = Summer OSL, WCS3 = Fall GSL

Rain/Last being seeded into the GSL is an effort to reconcile GOM & OGN, creating some synergy between the two leagues, now that both are blizzardly part of the WCS

Anyway Starleagues are still what matter to me. WCS will be just another fun consolidation tourney (which is played solely on ladder maps lul)

What I meant was, where are the players of OSL/WCS2 coming from? Is it carrying over from GSL/WCS1, or from OSL last year? Unless I heard incorrectly, they are still carrying over players.


Nothing changes, everybody starts fresh (except for Rain/DRG/MC/Last/GSL seeds) Prelims-->ODT-->OSL. Top 5 qualifies for WCS2, points given accordingly etc
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
April 03 2013 03:41 GMT
#1355
On April 03 2013 12:37 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 12:32 Arceus wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:29 Hadley88 wrote:
If VODs are not free, SC2 will lose alot of viewers. People want to see the best Players and no one has the time to watch WCS Korea, if it starts at 0600 - 1100.

If using baseball terms..
WCS-KR will be MLB
WCS-EU will become like Nippon Baseball League
WCS-NA will become AAA baseball.


Kid, 99.9% here have never seen a Baseball Game and couldn't care less. Use football terms like Champions League, UEFA Cup etc...


KR is NBA
NA is D-League
EU is NCAA


EU is probably more like the Euro-League in Basketball . A couple of decent teams/players that could take games off NBA teams / Koreans here and there but nothing sustainable.

This is absolutely true. I've considered for a while about making a blog about how Korea is very much like the inner city culture we have in America in terms of basketball and how some Euros can come over and compete but it's really hard for non-city guys (NA players).
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
MrMedic
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada452 Posts
April 03 2013 03:44 GMT
#1356
and its not coming to Canada
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 03:49:05
April 03 2013 03:44 GMT
#1357
On April 03 2013 12:41 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 12:34 achan1058 wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:30 Arceus wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:22 achan1058 wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:21 Arceus wrote:
"merge" might not be the correct word imo. GSL/OSL will only serve as the qualifier, as in, they still function normally but high finishers will get the chance to play in a Blizzard tourney called WCS. Nothing change for the Starleagues except some random name-changing

How are the players handed over from season to season though? If it is totally separate, then why would Rain be seeded into GSL?

Only one GSL OR OSL is responsible for WCS at one time. To be specific, WCS1= April Code S, WCS2 = Summer OSL, WCS3 = Fall GSL

Rain/Last being seeded into the GSL is an effort to reconcile GOM & OGN, creating some synergy between the two leagues, now that both are blizzardly part of the WCS

Anyway Starleagues are still what matter to me. WCS will be just another fun consolidation tourney (which is played solely on ladder maps lul)

What I meant was, where are the players of OSL/WCS2 coming from? Is it carrying over from GSL/WCS1, or from OSL last year? Unless I heard incorrectly, they are still carrying over players.


Nothing changes, everybody starts fresh (except for Rain/DRG/MC/Last/GSL seeds) Prelims-->ODT-->OSL. Top 5 qualifies for WCS2, points given accordingly etc


You're basing this on what? They specifically mentioned Code A/Code S system. The tournament format for GSL and OSL has to be the same now.


Q: What happens to OSL qualifiers/dual tournament system?

Mr Chae: Code A/DualTournament/etc have been combined into the "challenger league." It format is the same as Code A/Up-Downs. The qualifiers into the challenger league will be the same format as old Code B.

Q: Can you clarify the challenger league format, and comment in more detail about the prize money?

Mr Chae: Code A/Up-down format is the same, just named 'challenger league'. Same in the OSL run season as well.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
April 03 2013 03:44 GMT
#1358
let's all play na
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
April 03 2013 03:47 GMT
#1359
On April 03 2013 12:44 Leeoku wrote:
let's all play na

you should pick you reigon at random; if everyone did that, NA would be the most stacked region.
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lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
April 03 2013 03:48 GMT
#1360
Top 5 from each region is a funny number, meaning all round of 8 losers will play a 'semi-final' and a 'final' in parallel to the winners.

I wonder if these games will have / attract much interest and coverage...
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