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ConGee
318 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:37 xCherubiMx wrote: Well with that being said, I wonder what idra and incontrol's salaries are in comparison to PuMa? Or any of EG for that matter. In terms of value, I would say idra and stephano are probably the one's who bring the most revenue for the team, based solely upon their exposure. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:48 Zealously wrote: This has been answered, intelligently, about fifty-eight times before in this thread. I suggest you read at least one or two pages - you might learn something new. The worst part about this question is that the answer is rhetorical, or at least should be if you think about it for 2 minutes... On March 16 2013 06:50 Zenbrez wrote: People tend to exaggerate Puma's success. When Puma was dominating, it was back when there were very few Koreans playing in foreign tournaments; Puma was one of the firsts. It was natural that he would win a ton, he never did well in the korean scene (gsl, and more recently progleague). He started "declining" when he started to meet more koreans are foreign tournaments. Now, I'm not hating on him, he's a good guy, I like the various transition his hair has gone through, I'm an EG fan, etc etc - but I never saw him as "one of the best terrans at that time (whatever time anybody wants to refer to)" I'm not sure you know what your talking about. He defeated many Koreans in foreign tournaments, even when Koreans were going coming over in mass. In NASL Season 1 Puma defeated Clide, aLive, MC, Squirtle and July. He beat HerO at NASL 2. Took first place in both tournaments. In two MLG apperances, he defeated Nada, Moonan, and Polt. He took 5th and 7th place. At ASUS ROG winter he defeated Lucky. He took 3rd place. At IEM Cologne, he defeated MC. He took first place. At the IEM VI Championship he defeated Killer, Zenio, MMA, JYP, taking second place to MC. At the IPL 4 Qualifiers he defeated Oz, Alicia, Noblesse and Symbol. He took second place to Alive. At IPL 4 he defeated Creator, and though he went out with a 1-3 record, that was the same record MC, JYP and Parting went out with in the same tournament. To say he was declining when he started to meet Koreans at foreign tournaments is incorrect. He was just as good as any Code S player in his prime. He had winning record vs Koreans in foreign tournaments. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:15 Rostam wrote: He didn't do anything in BW. He accomplished far more in SC2, under a non-KeSPA team(s). So what's the logic behind thinking a KeSPA team would be a good place for him? Which team Puma made results under is completely irrelevant. The reason all the B-teamers from BW who switched to SC2 early on dominated the scene is because they already had solid mechanics and general RTS game sense. It's not because they went from a KeSPA team to a non-KeSPA team, that's completely retarded. Basically he made the switch to SC2, had to leave his KeSPA team to do it, and became a great player for a while because of his BW experience. It takes a lot of work to even get on the B-team so he'd certainly do fine if he were in that environment again. | ||
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crbox
Canada1181 Posts
I hope a kespa team picks him up, but yeah good move by EG to release him if he was overpaid. Nice clean announcement too. | ||
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Ubiquitousdichotomy
247 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:48 ConGee wrote: In terms of value, I would say idra and stephano are probably the one's who bring the most revenue for the team, based solely upon their exposure. Errr....Jaedong brings more to EG than both of them put together | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:50 BronzeKnee wrote: The worst part about this question is that the answer is rhetorical, or at least should be if you think about it for 2 minutes... I'm not sure you know what your talking about. He defeated many Koreans in foreign tournaments, even when Koreans were going coming over in mass. In NASL Season 1 Puma defeated Clide, aLive, MC, Squirtle and July. He beat HerO at NASL 2. In two MLG apperances, he defeated Nada, Moonan, and Polt. At ASUS ROG winter he defeated Lucky. At IEM Cologne, he defeated MC. At the IEM VI Championship he defeated Killer, Zenio, MMA, JYP, taking second place to MC. At the IPL 4 Qualifiers he defeated Oz, Alicia, Noblesse and Symbol. To say he was declining when he started to meet Koreans at foreign tournaments is just ignorant. My name is Chris, fancy meeting you. How are you? | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On March 16 2013 07:07 Zenbrez wrote: My name is Chris, fancy meeting you. How are you? I'm fine thanks, my name is Alex. | ||
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ConGee
318 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:59 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote: Errr....Jaedong brings more to EG than both of them put together JD hasn't really done that much in SC2. Idra and Stephano consistently draw more stream numbers. And in terms of results, Stephano has JD beat in foreign tournamens, SPL, and the GSL in addition to bringing significantly more exposure to sponsors. I believe that once JD finds his footing in SC2, he'll be one of the most valuable assets for EG, but he's not at that point yet. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:52 IcedBacon wrote: Which team Puma made results under is completely irrelevant. The reason all the B-teamers from BW who switched to SC2 early on dominated the scene is because they already had solid mechanics and general RTS game sense. It's not because they went from a KeSPA team to a non-KeSPA team, that's completely retarded. Basically he made the switch to SC2, had to leave his KeSPA team to do it, and became a great player for a while because of his BW experience. It takes a lot of work to even get on the B-team so he'd certainly do fine if he were in that environment again. Plenty of ex-BW players switched to SC2 around that time and failed to achieve his level of results. If he's more suited than average to a "KeSPA-style training regimen" then wouldn't we expect his results after switching to SC2 to go down relative to his peers, rather than up? | ||
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SjPhotoGrapher
181 Posts
We need more players like Puma, Terrans that 1 rax FE almost every game and just sit back and macro are boring to watch. He abused Terrans strengths to the max and profited on strong timings. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:59 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote: Errr....Jaedong brings more to EG than both of them put together What? not only does he not stream as much as those two, he typically doesnt get as many viewers as those two either. Whats the basis for your argument here? | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On March 16 2013 07:53 Aveng3r wrote: What? not only does he not stream as much as those two, he typically doesnt get as many viewers as those two either. Whats the basis for your argument here? only reason people watch idra and stephano is because they have a boner for white people User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 16 2013 07:59 rysecake wrote: only reason people watch idra and stephano is because they have a boner for white people User was temp banned for this post. Honestly, I was watching JD's stream last night, and while he plays fucking fast he isn't that good at SC2 yet. IdrA and Stephano are still better and more fun to watch (especially when IdrA commentates). But once JD's catches up, I'll probably be chained to his stream. | ||
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s0hl
United States6 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
My brother's name is Alex, actually. Awesome. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
Might be the last we've heard of Puma . | ||
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
On March 15 2013 14:14 HeeroFX wrote: I was thinking Machine, and Huk would be the first to go honestly. It's refreshing to see a team run more like a business than one big LAN party; that's why EG has been around so long. Hopefully it sends a message community that its not all fun and games: Friends or not...food, lodging, airfare and salary all cost a pretty penny. It's too bad for Puma but, much like any job, you are there to perform. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On March 16 2013 09:40 Zenbrez wrote: My brother's name is Alex, actually. Awesome. And that means your brother would have been smart enough to look up Puma's performance vs Koreans in foreign tournaments... because it was good. | ||
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