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On March 16 2013 18:05 SoniC_eu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:21 Cygoris wrote:
EG has a big roster with huge salaries, cutting those who don't perform is just common sense.
I think EG and TL are very lenient with their players, probably because performance is only a small part of the equation.
Personalities such as Huk are useful for a team, even if he's not the dominant player he once was, same thing for Incontrol Demuslim etc.
Those players have a big fan base and that's what matters the most I suppose.
Machine probably doesn't have Puma money.
Im thinking machine is kinda the glue that holds the team tgthr behind the scenes
Exactly this. He comes across as the nice guy everyone gets along with. Every team needs someone like that.
Steve McManaman was never as good as the players he played with at Real Madrid but is often credited for keeping the team united. Del Bosque said he was one of the most important players in his squad. Some things are more important than just individual results.
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On March 16 2013 22:27 Littlemuff wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:05 SoniC_eu wrote:On March 16 2013 17:21 Cygoris wrote:
EG has a big roster with huge salaries, cutting those who don't perform is just common sense.
I think EG and TL are very lenient with their players, probably because performance is only a small part of the equation.
Personalities such as Huk are useful for a team, even if he's not the dominant player he once was, same thing for Incontrol Demuslim etc.
Those players have a big fan base and that's what matters the most I suppose.
Machine probably doesn't have Puma money.
Im thinking machine is kinda the glue that holds the team tgthr behind the scenes Exactly this. He comes across as the nice guy everyone gets along with. Every team needs someone like that. Steve McManaman was never as good as the players he played with at Real Madrid but is often credited for keeping the team united. Del Bosque said he was one of the most important players in his squad. Some things are more important than just individual results.
Plus we don't know how much salary he gets. Perhaps he just lives there for free and gets a very small salary.
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On March 16 2013 22:35 xPliCt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:27 Littlemuff wrote:On March 16 2013 18:05 SoniC_eu wrote:On March 16 2013 17:21 Cygoris wrote:
EG has a big roster with huge salaries, cutting those who don't perform is just common sense.
I think EG and TL are very lenient with their players, probably because performance is only a small part of the equation.
Personalities such as Huk are useful for a team, even if he's not the dominant player he once was, same thing for Incontrol Demuslim etc.
Those players have a big fan base and that's what matters the most I suppose.
Machine probably doesn't have Puma money.
Im thinking machine is kinda the glue that holds the team tgthr behind the scenes Exactly this. He comes across as the nice guy everyone gets along with. Every team needs someone like that. Steve McManaman was never as good as the players he played with at Real Madrid but is often credited for keeping the team united. Del Bosque said he was one of the most important players in his squad. Some things are more important than just individual results. Plus we don't know how much salary he gets. Perhaps he just lives there for free and gets a very small salary.
From everything I've heard, Machine is a very minimal "expense" for EG, and in return EG get a guy who lives there, streams hundreds of hours of content at grandmaster level, and is apparently the nicest guy on earth, so much so that the entire industry likes him.
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making hard choices. glad to see, someone does. gl to puma and EG 
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On March 16 2013 16:02 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 15:08 OpTiKDream wrote:On March 16 2013 13:48 NoobSkills wrote:On March 16 2013 13:43 Patate wrote:
Pretty funny how Koreans need to perform in EG while foreigners can go almost 3 years without winning anything and they don't get bothered.
Machine .. Incontrol.. I'm looking at you.
Hell, even IdrA and Huk have been irrelevant for the past year or so. This has been explained multiple times. The foreigners who are still on the team bring a lot of views on streams and are good advertisements for the sponsors of EG. Meanwhile a Korean who speaks little to no English would not be the first choice for an American company's web advertisement. Yes, Puma needed to perform and he didn't. Incontrol gets more stream views than JD and machine seems to do the commercials really well. That is why they're around and Puma isn't. Idra, Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano all have better victories in events and are watched by more people. but machine has so little viewers compared to the rest of the EG folks? Machine is an odd one, I must agree to have on their team. Not only has he never performed adequately, but he rarely has more than 200 viewers when he streams, and to my memory has only done 1 promotion for their sponsors - not a very active fellow. I'm not judging EG for keeping him, they're one of the few teams that know how to properly run a business so if they think its worth keeping him, that's cool.
Just as a small correction, he's actually done a pretty decent amount of content. The Halloween Kingston commerical is a classic, and the Neglected Computers ad is fantastic. He was in Most Evil Genius, he's on Unburrowed every time they do one, and he's got that Machine v Food thing on their Youtube (which is fantastic, by the way).
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Finally free from the Curse. Gl Puma.
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one week,and he'll be playing sc:BW.
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Probably Puma beat EG's member in some event for this unfair movement, personally I think so many overhyped player in EG now..., and still enjoying their position...
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Well... it wasn't unexpected.
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On March 16 2013 13:41 ConGee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 13:15 Talos[GER] wrote:
Of course PuMa is still way better than all of the Foreigners on EG, but he has no personality at all what makes it impossible to generate money out of him. I would say that Stephano, DeMuslim, IdrA, Thorzain, and maybe Huk are all better than Puma.
Bullshit... especially Demu, Idra and Thorzain even lose against foreigners.
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On March 16 2013 23:26 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:02 Zenbrez wrote:On March 16 2013 15:08 OpTiKDream wrote:On March 16 2013 13:48 NoobSkills wrote:On March 16 2013 13:43 Patate wrote:
Pretty funny how Koreans need to perform in EG while foreigners can go almost 3 years without winning anything and they don't get bothered.
Machine .. Incontrol.. I'm looking at you.
Hell, even IdrA and Huk have been irrelevant for the past year or so. This has been explained multiple times. The foreigners who are still on the team bring a lot of views on streams and are good advertisements for the sponsors of EG. Meanwhile a Korean who speaks little to no English would not be the first choice for an American company's web advertisement. Yes, Puma needed to perform and he didn't. Incontrol gets more stream views than JD and machine seems to do the commercials really well. That is why they're around and Puma isn't. Idra, Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano all have better victories in events and are watched by more people. but machine has so little viewers compared to the rest of the EG folks? Machine is an odd one, I must agree to have on their team. Not only has he never performed adequately, but he rarely has more than 200 viewers when he streams, and to my memory has only done 1 promotion for their sponsors - not a very active fellow. I'm not judging EG for keeping him, they're one of the few teams that know how to properly run a business so if they think its worth keeping him, that's cool. Just as a small correction, he's actually done a pretty decent amount of content. The Halloween Kingston commerical is a classic, and the Neglected Computers ad is fantastic. He was in Most Evil Genius, he's on Unburrowed every time they do one, and he's got that Machine v Food thing on their Youtube (which is fantastic, by the way).
Yeah ... they're never getting rid of Machine. Him and InControl are the only two founding members left, and have been on the team for close to four years now.
It's pretty obvious that Machine is the type of guy that has done everything management asks him to do, so unless he suddenly shits the bed or demands more money there's no reason not to keep him around. LZ would still be on the team too if he didn't want a better contract.
And I think InControl's and Machine's friendship with IdrA might have been a deciding factor in IdrA choosing EG over TL after his contract expired with CJ Entus.
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I'm gonna drop a conspiracy theory guys.
Puma was part of TSL, EG now has Revival, JYP and possibly Alive soon.
Puma gets sent to another team to send them to their doom.
EG picks up said team's players.
#Dirtymoney
#evil
#geniuses
#fuckslasher.
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On March 17 2013 01:05 Talos[GER] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 13:41 ConGee wrote:On March 16 2013 13:15 Talos[GER] wrote:
Of course PuMa is still way better than all of the Foreigners on EG, but he has no personality at all what makes it impossible to generate money out of him. I would say that Stephano, DeMuslim, IdrA, Thorzain, and maybe Huk are all better than Puma. Bullshit... especially Demu, Idra and Thorzain even lose against foreigners.
I don't get your point. With the level of play Puma's shown lately I doubt he would get far in an all foreigner event. I mean he's played worse than Thorzain in SPL, and Thorzain's a mid-tier foreigner.
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On March 17 2013 00:28 Arpayon wrote:
Finally free from the Curse. Gl Puma.
hahahaha
gl to puma in the future!
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incontrol was right changes are coming to eg
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On March 17 2013 02:35 14fighter wrote:
I'm gonna drop a conspiracy theory guys.
Puma was part of TSL, EG now has Revival, JYP and possibly Alive soon.
Puma gets sent to another team to send them to their doom.
EG picks up said team's players.
#Dirtymoney
#evil
#geniuses
#fuckslasher.
LOL
best conspiracy ever
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Not being funny but Puma was worth so much more than machine and this is not a dig at machine but i feel quite sorry for Puma considering he gets dropped when other members of EG are not pulling their weight as much as he did.
Anyway i wish both sides of this the best of luck.
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On March 16 2013 15:08 OpTiKDream wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 13:48 NoobSkills wrote:On March 16 2013 13:43 Patate wrote:
Pretty funny how Koreans need to perform in EG while foreigners can go almost 3 years without winning anything and they don't get bothered.
Machine .. Incontrol.. I'm looking at you.
Hell, even IdrA and Huk have been irrelevant for the past year or so. This has been explained multiple times. The foreigners who are still on the team bring a lot of views on streams and are good advertisements for the sponsors of EG. Meanwhile a Korean who speaks little to no English would not be the first choice for an American company's web advertisement. Yes, Puma needed to perform and he didn't. Incontrol gets more stream views than JD and machine seems to do the commercials really well. That is why they're around and Puma isn't. Idra, Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano all have better victories in events and are watched by more people. but machine has so little viewers compared to the rest of the EG folks?
Again everyone in this world does something well. For machine it is probably how popular he is amongst the team and staff of EG as well as being a good representative for the commercials. In the ADs I've seen him in he has done a better job than any other EG member except maybe Huk.
On March 16 2013 13:52 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 13:48 NoobSkills wrote:On March 16 2013 13:43 Patate wrote:
Pretty funny how Koreans need to perform in EG while foreigners can go almost 3 years without winning anything and they don't get bothered.
Machine .. Incontrol.. I'm looking at you.
Hell, even IdrA and Huk have been irrelevant for the past year or so. This has been explained multiple times. The foreigners who are still on the team bring a lot of views on streams and are good advertisements for the sponsors of EG. Meanwhile a Korean who speaks little to no English would not be the first choice for an American company's web advertisement. Yes, Puma needed to perform and he didn't. Incontrol gets more stream views than JD and machine seems to do the commercials really well. That is why they're around and Puma isn't. Idra, Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano all have better victories in events and are watched by more people. Plus this release comes down to salary. Puma wasn't performing so eg wanted to pay him less and they couldn't reach an agreement on what "less" was. I doubt Machine/Incontrol get paid what ever Puma wanted, it's all about how much of an investment a player is worth not a binary on the team/off the team.
Maybe machine doesn't make as much as what puma wanted, but I think that Incontrol probably makes a bunch more than either of them. Of course nobody knows, but puma when he bargained for his original contract was the first Korean on EG (i think?) and at that what was he going to compare EG's offer to? He was a B-teamer in BW and I don't remember where he was at the beginning of SC2, but I would guess he didn't have a salary in either situation.
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