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Artifice
United States523 Posts
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xPliCt
Germany143 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:22 Artifice wrote: Now is not the time to be dropping Korean Terrans... Well Korean Terrans drop very well these days! | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:10 NoobSkills wrote: Maybe machine doesn't make as much as what puma wanted, but I think that Incontrol probably makes a bunch more than either of them. Of course nobody knows, but puma when he bargained for his original contract was the first Korean on EG (i think?) and at that what was he going to compare EG's offer to? He was a B-teamer in BW and I don't remember where he was at the beginning of SC2, but I would guess he didn't have a salary in either situation. I think InControl probably makes much more than Machine — but not directly from EG, rather through hosting, coaching and other gigs. InControl gives EG tons of exposure, while EG subsidizes his cost of living and travel while giving him the credibility of being on a pro-team. It's a win-win for both sides. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:54 Defacer wrote: I think InControl probably makes much more than Machine — but not directly from EG, rather through hosting, coaching and other gigs. InControl gives EG tons of exposure, while EG subsidizes his cost of living and travel while giving him the credibility of being on a pro-team. It's a win-win for both sides. You're thinking in a world that is KESPA esports and not US/EU esports. Incontrol has serious value to EG because of what he does on stream, at events, on shows. The EG name is constantly out there and because EG's name is out there so are their sponsors. Now, perhaps he doesn't get as much of a paycheck as EG's top tier foreign players, but I would guess that they appreciate him enough that he receives just barely under the other foreign players. Then, on top of that yes, he has outside income, but EG can't use that against him in his contract because while he is doing the stream, he is representing EG and while he is casting again he is representing EG. He is though probably the trickiest to guess what he would actually be worth, but if you think the pay scale is based solely off of skill level you are mistaken. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
=/ Puma really hasn't been doing that well for a long time. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:19 NoobSkills wrote: You're thinking in a world that is KESPA esports and not US/EU esports. Incontrol has serious value to EG because of what he does on stream, at events, on shows. The EG name is constantly out there and because EG's name is out there so are their sponsors. Now, perhaps he doesn't get as much of a paycheck as EG's top tier foreign players, but I would guess that they appreciate him enough that he receives just barely under the other foreign players. Then, on top of that yes, he has outside income, but EG can't use that against him in his contract because while he is doing the stream, he is representing EG and while he is casting again he is representing EG. He is though probably the trickiest to guess what he would actually be worth, but if you think the pay scale is based solely off of skill level you are mistaken. The fact that Incontrol DOES do all those things means he also has leverage and negotiating power, similar to someone who's just a good player. If he isn't satisfied with the money he gets from EG in their next contract renewal and thinks he can do better, he could easily get the same or similar gig at a competing organization if he feels he can get more money from them. Say Azubu, for example. They have rather deep pockets and they'd probably LOVE to get someone like Incontrol to advertise their new streaming service and cast events using that service. And on top of the fact that they could offer a lot of money for his streaming services, this would probably at least disappoint Twitch, who are one of EG's sponsors (I'm might be wrong on this, correct me if I'm wrong). And like EG, they have teams on multiple games. So now he's hyping up Team Azubu over EG on multiple games. And people are seeing more of Azubu's sponsors when Incontrol goes on State of the Game and such. So some of the sponsors are less happy. So EG has incentive not to undercut Incontrol and give him a fair offer when contract negotiations come around. | ||
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skorched
United States81 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:23 xPliCt wrote: Well Korean Terrans drop very well these days! hOhO, good one! | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
I knew eventually he'd be dropped cause he wasn't popular either as a personality, not every player can be an idra and survive w/o results | ||
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Xaerkar
United States230 Posts
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expirationdatejune26
Korea (South)1 Post
His other matchups were meh though. | ||
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Gluon
Netherlands422 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:23 xPliCt wrote: Well Korean Terrans drop very well these days! Haha, well done | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On March 16 2013 04:04 WolfintheSheep wrote: People who fill these threads with stupid criticisms of other EG players should get warned, or banned outright. It's getting sickening to see every single EG related thread full of bullshit from people who have absolutely no concept of ROI, or don't give a fuck about anything except hating on players they have in their targets. *Thumbs up* Everybody should pay attention to this post. Sad but true, its the truth... | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:50 skorched wrote: He deserves better than EG. Sorry to hurt feelings, but EG has good financial backing, I'll give em that but honestly if I wanted to get better at sc2 and compete in GSL+Proleague, EG is the last place I'm looking. That place is cursed, the Cleveland Cavs of esports, seriously. I heard they have ghosts at the EG house too. | ||
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:23 xPliCt wrote: Well Korean Terrans drop very well these days! Lought more at that as i should have! | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:19 NoobSkills wrote: You're thinking in a world that is KESPA esports and not US/EU esports. Incontrol has serious value to EG because of what he does on stream, at events, on shows. The EG name is constantly out there and because EG's name is out there so are their sponsors. Now, perhaps he doesn't get as much of a paycheck as EG's top tier foreign players, but I would guess that they appreciate him enough that he receives just barely under the other foreign players. Then, on top of that yes, he has outside income, but EG can't use that against him in his contract because while he is doing the stream, he is representing EG and while he is casting again he is representing EG. He is though probably the trickiest to guess what he would actually be worth, but if you think the pay scale is based solely off of skill level you are mistaken. No disagreement here. InControl's value is definitely the hardest to gauge. One thing to consider is that InControl's brand value and identity is so intertwined with EG's that it's hard to imagine him being worth more to another team, or getting as much as he gets from EG from another team. Think about it — not only does InControl get a salary from EG, but technical support for his stream, a marketing team that showcases his personality in videos and promos, hosting opportunities, a full-time job for his wife (!), room and board for himself, his wife and his dog, et cetera, et cetera. EG is actually a really good fit for him. Even if another team offered InControl a higher salary, they might not have the infrastructure to support him or his broadcasting talents. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 18 2013 01:13 Bjarne wrote: *Thumbs up* Everybody should pay attention to this post. Sad but true, its the truth... I don't wont to chime in to the off-topic that is being discussed here, but maybe some people are just in secret upset because one of the best financially backed teams outside of Korea is judging competitive players by their ROI instead of skill? | ||
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ConGee
318 Posts
On March 18 2013 03:36 JustPassingBy wrote: I don't wont to chime in to the off-topic that is being discussed here, but maybe some people are just in secret upset because one of the best financially backed teams outside of Korea is judging competitive players by their ROI instead of skill? In e-sports, you have to work that way. If you don't have all the endorsements, revenue sharing, and all the other financial foundations that the major mainstream sports have, you need to be frugal with your contracts. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Wut. | ||
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algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
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