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Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
March 14 2013 22:45 GMT
#81
I really like the part about it being globally balanced in contrast with the teamliquid poll. Not to even mention my own zerg experience currently on high masters.. t.t
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
March 14 2013 22:46 GMT
#82
I think it was Day[9] that showed an in-house Blizzard tournament starring David Kim and his play certainly wasn't good enough for Korean GM.
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:47:27
March 14 2013 22:46 GMT
#83
On March 15 2013 07:46 Grumbels wrote:
I think it was Day[9] that showed an in-house Blizzard tournament starring David Kim and his play certainly wasn't good enough for Korean GM.


Translator note: The original interview does not specify which server David Kim is GM on.

also dont give a shit about inhouse things ^^

it depends on the level on your enemy, if me as master play games with my paltin/gold friends i can even lose sometimes cause i play fun things etc ... hard to see skill if skillgap is to high
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n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 14 2013 22:47 GMT
#84
On March 15 2013 07:41 CoR wrote:
btw i more think he is GM us server ? and then its pretty easy to accept that he is GM with all 3 races, on KR ... i doubt

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:40 n0ise wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:32 MilesTeg wrote:
Proxy oracle? I've never even heard of that


? :D

It was as metagame defining as 4gate in WoL beta. I honestly don't see why they'd want to buff ti, considering even at the highest level Stargate-pressure into expands/all-ins is still extremely viable.

On March 15 2013 07:15 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:11 Serpico wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:59 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


Blizzard has lied to us many times before though.

Remember how they said they had a team that kept in touch with the mapping community? lol.


It is so unlikely that they are lying. That is like asking to be called out. You don't lie about something that involves playing against the community you are lying to.

GM with all three races is very good and I am not surprised at all. I find it sort of amusing that he likely plays against the pros that keep calling him a stupid.

Like how Lucy Bradshaw would never lie about SimCity 5, I mean it makes no sense!


Thats EA and they do some pretty dumb stuff. Even I was slightly surprised by how stupid that was.

Seriously, he is not going to say he is GM with three races if he can't back it up. I don't think he is going to be taking down Life or Flash any time soon, he does work in the office where it is all SC2 all the time. I think people on TL are just having a hard time believe that Blizzard has anyone on their staff that good at the game, let alone DK.


KRGM does mean that, once in a while, you should be taking down Flash and Life or players of similar caliber. I doubt his statement only because many times, in his 'situation reports' and general thoughts about the game he says things that feel completely out of touch with what's happening in the actual game.


HELL NO why KRGM means you can beat flash ? are you crazy man ? does mean you being 200th GM on europe you can beat socke or ret ? NO you lose 0-100 to them by far far far ....
and its even huger in korea most pros play intern and not ladder so if its on kr and not us server DAMN no does it mean anything

with less then 500 games i was master in korea and if he is playing alot then why not GM ? low gm means NOTHING (good players are master because kicked out not play few days etc)

so again to make sure, being GM not means your pro and it can still mean you lose 0-100 to EVERY to pro not only flash or life even 0-100 vs gumiho your argument is so ... AH DAMNIT


Dude, yes, if you are EU.GM you're absolutely winning some of your games against Ret & Socke. It's, at the same time, a prerequisite for being GM.

The fact that Flash&Life may not play ladder I have no idea about, they were just names that were thrown by the person I quoted. You can insert any top10 KRGM names, it's the same.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
March 14 2013 22:47 GMT
#85
he doesn't use a barcode ID does he?
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Shadowcloak
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:49:26
March 14 2013 22:48 GMT
#86
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


theres like over 6 interviews were dustin himself says he's masters, even going as far as to say he can take on a pro in the early game. For all ignorant ragers sharpening the pitchforks i am not defending dustin just calling this out. As someone said before me, probabbly most of the balance team is masters. Does that mean absolutely anything? NO
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
March 14 2013 22:54 GMT
#87
On March 15 2013 07:48 Shadowcloak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


theres like over 6 interviews were dustin himself says he's masters, even going as far as to say he can take on a pro in the early game. For all ignorant ragers sharpening the pitchforks i am not defending dustin just calling this out. As someone said before me, probabbly most of the balance team is masters. Does that mean absolutely anything? NO


No? DB said several times he was gold.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
March 14 2013 22:56 GMT
#88
yeesh why are people making a big deal about this "3 races" thing

you don't get kicked out of gm in the season right? He obviously doesn't play 3 races equally, but he can squeeze his best race into GM, then play the other races whenever he wants because you don't get kicked out.

For the borderline accounts (like last 20% of GM) I always thought the issue was who played their games when GM opened up for the ladder season, which hint hint david kim may know the exact time that blizzard opens up GM

plus there is probably some bias for GM for accounts that were in GM the previous season, so it helps that he probably got GM accounts the very first time GM existed and has since continued.
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LoveBuzz
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada28 Posts
March 14 2013 23:05 GMT
#89
On March 15 2013 06:00 Tpyro wrote:
The game globally balanced, I repeat, the game is globally balanced.

The entire development team agrees to say that the Widow Mines are currently too strong.

The team believe that Void Rays are currently slightly too strong.

But the development team prefers to wait before modifying this unit.

Only Blizzard logic...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 14 2013 23:05 GMT
#90
On March 15 2013 07:48 Shadowcloak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


theres like over 6 interviews were dustin himself says he's masters, even going as far as to say he can take on a pro in the early game. For all ignorant ragers sharpening the pitchforks i am not defending dustin just calling this out. As someone said before me, probabbly most of the balance team is masters. Does that mean absolutely anything? NO


DB has said several times he shifts between gold and platinum. Also did not say he could take on a pro in the early game. He said he could mirror a build a well as a pro in the early game. When asked about the comment later on, he clarified that was only if he was left alone(IE, no pressure).

I love the selective memories of the community. "DB said this thing once that was dumb and kinda unclear. He later corrected himself and said he misspoke, but I'm gunna ignore that second part"
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DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
March 14 2013 23:12 GMT
#91
Oracle doesn't need buff.It's a harassment unit with some useful spells and amazing dps.

It can also just kill you if you don't pay attention.We saw what happened at IEM and dream is definitely not a bronze player.

It's similar to the banshee.Now imagine if banshees could kill so fast...
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Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 23:19:15
March 14 2013 23:16 GMT
#92
On March 15 2013 07:44 densha wrote:
I feel it is way, way, way too early to be talking about buffs and nerfs. I'm sorry but IEM is not enough data to show anything. If we are being honest, there were too many lower level players there (as proven by LG-IM rising to top four - very embarrassing for foreigners).

We will need to see top level players against top level players, I'm talking Code S level. I think the fact that the Life vs. Flash showmatch turned out to be so epic was not a coincidence and I have not seen ANY player that compares to either of those players yet. I think there are enough top level players coming up in MLG where we might get a better idea of where HOTS is at.


Code S finalists or code S ro16 also which player vs which on? Which day they played, was it rainy? Which food they had, did they feel good and didn´t they eat too much? Wasn´t the studio just to cold? And then is the player base now in code s really that good and wasn´t the performance of players of last code s not just better?

Serious data if people want to find one person that is allowed to talk about balance.
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ZjiublingZ
Profile Joined September 2011
United Arab Emirates439 Posts
March 14 2013 23:18 GMT
#93
I think the weakness they see for the Oracle in the early game, at the highest pro level, could be made up for with Revelation (the one that gives vision of units, not the detection one ofc). Keeping track of army movement is much more important in a pro game and, personally, I think it's a much more interesting spell than what is basically a very strong attack out of Pulsar Beam. And they could potentially buff it if they wanted to, this would solve the problem of making the unit too strong in non-pro level games.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 23:32:20
March 14 2013 23:21 GMT
#94
Someone posted this earlier and I'll repost it "David Kim, using the name NoobExplosion (in Korean), is Grand Master in all three races. " This quote is the line in the article.

It doesn't say anywhere GM in Korea, as far as my knowledge goes he lives in the US, so he's probably GM in the US. Not to mention it may be GM in HOTS were he DESIGNS the game for a living. He's bound to know a few things that people don't.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 23:26:42
March 14 2013 23:26 GMT
#95
On March 15 2013 08:05 LoveBuzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 06:00 Tpyro wrote:
The game globally balanced, I repeat, the game is globally balanced.

The entire development team agrees to say that the Widow Mines are currently too strong.

The team believe that Void Rays are currently slightly too strong.

But the development team prefers to wait before modifying this unit.

Only Blizzard logic...

its not that hard to comprehend. Some things may be op/too strong at the highest level but fair in every other bracket.

Most extreme example is marines vs baneling dynamic. Everyone can a-move banelings, but different skilled terran will have very drastic out come
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
March 14 2013 23:27 GMT
#96
5 Pages of people jumping to conclusions. Isn't the most probably thing that he is GM in the same region they are working/living ?

And low GM is really really far away from top GM's. The gap in MMR is close to silver to masters from a top GM and a bottom GM
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
March 14 2013 23:30 GMT
#97
On March 15 2013 07:40 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:05 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Why not make the widow mine bomb killable so stalkers can lead and kill it like dragoons and spider mines.


Because unlike spider mines, widow mines aren't free.


Is any reason to not use a mechanic? Vultures arent free either


if you research blink you can dodge the mine bombs
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
March 14 2013 23:30 GMT
#98
thx for translation, great job
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 14 2013 23:33 GMT
#99
On March 15 2013 08:05 LoveBuzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 06:00 Tpyro wrote:
The game globally balanced, I repeat, the game is globally balanced.

The entire development team agrees to say that the Widow Mines are currently too strong.

The team believe that Void Rays are currently slightly too strong.

But the development team prefers to wait before modifying this unit.

Only Blizzard logic...


Nonono, you missunderstand.

What they're doing now is good for the game.

WoL came out and the nerfed everything so quickly that units like the Reaper and Voidray became so awful nobody used them anymore. Do you really want that to happen again? It made the game stale as anything.
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BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
March 14 2013 23:33 GMT
#100
Why can't Blizzard employees and David partake in some tournaments or prove their GM status in some showmatches. Then David's credibility would rise substantially instead of being mocked at and the fanbase would rest about Blizzard trying to balance SC2
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