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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#61
On March 15 2013 07:05 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Why not make the widow mine bomb killable so stalkers can lead and kill it like dragoons and spider mines.


Because unlike spider mines, widow mines aren't free.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
March 14 2013 22:13 GMT
#62
On March 15 2013 07:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:05 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Why not make the widow mine bomb killable so stalkers can lead and kill it like dragoons and spider mines.


Because unlike spider mines, widow mines aren't free.

This is funny.
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:18:58
March 14 2013 22:14 GMT
#63
the biggest mistake blizzard could make to sc2 is to think the right answer to everything is to nerf.
thats the approach they took with WOL and it became stagnant as fuk as more and more strategyies got eliminated thanks to each nerf.

-Queen buffed as a way to nerf hellion run bys? all early game terran aggression dead.
-Infestor buff in wol to do more damage+ faster rate of damage fungal from 8 to 4 seconds resulted in chain fungals being so strong, eliminating void ray usage.
-ghost snipe nerfed to 1 use , when the approach could have been different. Such as 45 damage to everything, - 15 to massive.
-Blue flame nerf killed MECH TvP according to goody.
-Thorzains thor abuse resulted in thors recieving back thier energy bar as a nerf to thors which removed them from the TvP matchup.

The list goes on and on

If you people keep asking for nerfs, you gonna destroy this game. Becareful what you wish for.

Widow mine nerfed? guess what, All you gonna see is WOL style terran, no new units
Medicvac speed nerf? Ask anybody if they can tell the difference between WOL and HOTS if that was to happen


Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
March 14 2013 22:15 GMT
#64
On March 15 2013 07:11 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:59 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


Blizzard has lied to us many times before though.

Remember how they said they had a team that kept in touch with the mapping community? lol.


It is so unlikely that they are lying. That is like asking to be called out. You don't lie about something that involves playing against the community you are lying to.

GM with all three races is very good and I am not surprised at all. I find it sort of amusing that he likely plays against the pros that keep calling him a stupid.

Like how Lucy Bradshaw would never lie about SimCity 5, I mean it makes no sense!

As funny/ironic as that statement is, I have faith in blizz. A lot of people get angry at them, but I have faith that they know what they are doing, especially now with HotS a lot of SC2 is looking on the upslope. It seems that blizz got a kick in the pants with other competing E-Sports since SC2 was really the most dominant until recently, and now they realize they have to step up their game hardcore.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 14 2013 22:15 GMT
#65
On March 15 2013 07:11 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:59 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


Blizzard has lied to us many times before though.

Remember how they said they had a team that kept in touch with the mapping community? lol.


It is so unlikely that they are lying. That is like asking to be called out. You don't lie about something that involves playing against the community you are lying to.

GM with all three races is very good and I am not surprised at all. I find it sort of amusing that he likely plays against the pros that keep calling him a stupid.

Like how Lucy Bradshaw would never lie about SimCity 5, I mean it makes no sense!


Thats EA and they do some pretty dumb stuff. Even I was slightly surprised by how stupid that was.

Seriously, he is not going to say he is GM with three races if he can't back it up. I don't think he is going to be taking down Life or Flash any time soon, he does work in the office where it is all SC2 all the time. I think people on TL are just having a hard time believe that Blizzard has anyone on their staff that good at the game, let alone DK.
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:19:03
March 14 2013 22:17 GMT
#66
On March 15 2013 06:36 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 06:34 Exarl25 wrote:
Buff the Ultra? Are they crazy? That thing is monstrous right now. I always hated the idea of the burrow charge in the first place anyway. Zergs were forever complaining in WoL about Ultralisks getting stuck behind their other units so the solution is to essentially give it a teleport because god forbid Zerg players have to learn some basic army management?

tbh, the ultra gets pushed away by zerglings all the time



Yeah, dude, it's not about army management; it's the fact that ultra compositions are going to be mostly -or entirely- melee combat units. It's a simple matter of, when you close on a ball of enemy units, there isn't enough space for even a majority of your shit to attack. it's a bit better on creep, but fucking forget it otherwise.

that being said, the burrow charge kinda seems it would be too powerful without some sort of upgrade or skill shot--or some other mechanic that didn't just flat out improve an a-walking zerg. i mean, the idea of "Burrow charge" on a unit of that size is kind of stupid anyway. even an armor-activatable ability or something for a short duration would make more sense.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:18:00
March 14 2013 22:17 GMT
#67
On March 15 2013 07:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:11 Serpico wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:59 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


Blizzard has lied to us many times before though.

Remember how they said they had a team that kept in touch with the mapping community? lol.


It is so unlikely that they are lying. That is like asking to be called out. You don't lie about something that involves playing against the community you are lying to.

GM with all three races is very good and I am not surprised at all. I find it sort of amusing that he likely plays against the pros that keep calling him a stupid.

Like how Lucy Bradshaw would never lie about SimCity 5, I mean it makes no sense!


Thats EA and they do some pretty dumb stuff. Even I was slightly surprised by how stupid that was.

Seriously, he is not going to say he is GM with three races if he can't back it up. I don't think he is going to be taking down Life or Flash any time soon, he does work in the office where it is all SC2 all the time. I think people on TL are just having a hard time believe that Blizzard has anyone on their staff that good at the game, let alone DK.

You can have all the blind faith that you want, but blizzard's borderline random changes at times don't support the idea of it being a staff that is in touch.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:21:36
March 14 2013 22:21 GMT
#68
great interview.

My only suggestion is that oracle picture is wrong
should be this

[image loading]
moo...for DRG
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
March 14 2013 22:23 GMT
#69
On March 15 2013 07:17 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:15 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:11 Serpico wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:59 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


Blizzard has lied to us many times before though.

Remember how they said they had a team that kept in touch with the mapping community? lol.


It is so unlikely that they are lying. That is like asking to be called out. You don't lie about something that involves playing against the community you are lying to.

GM with all three races is very good and I am not surprised at all. I find it sort of amusing that he likely plays against the pros that keep calling him a stupid.

Like how Lucy Bradshaw would never lie about SimCity 5, I mean it makes no sense!


Thats EA and they do some pretty dumb stuff. Even I was slightly surprised by how stupid that was.

Seriously, he is not going to say he is GM with three races if he can't back it up. I don't think he is going to be taking down Life or Flash any time soon, he does work in the office where it is all SC2 all the time. I think people on TL are just having a hard time believe that Blizzard has anyone on their staff that good at the game, let alone DK.

You can have all the blind faith that you want, but blizzard's borderline random changes at times don't support the idea of it being a staff that is in touch.


But that has nothing to do with DK being a GM.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 14 2013 22:23 GMT
#70
On March 15 2013 06:25 peidongyang wrote:
I'm calling bs on the gm three races thing
That means he is performing at a similar if not higher level than thorzain, sase and a lesser tier Korean pro Zerg at their respective races? Yeah bullshit.

Not that impossible considering he's working on and playing the game easily as much, if not more than a progamer. It's literally his job to be good at this game, especially if he's the head of the balancing team.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
March 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#71
On March 15 2013 07:14 johnny123 wrote:


If you people keep asking for nerfs, you gonna destroy this game. Becareful what you wish for.

Widow mine nerfed? guess what, All you gonna see is WOL style terran, no new units
Medicvac speed nerf? Ask anybody if they can tell the difference between WOL and HOTS if that was to happen



People will keep asking for terran nerfs, until terrans are where they were in WOL: the race they had 80% winrate against (seriously, how many people I heard talking about their huge winrate vs terran, it made me puke).
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:35:08
March 14 2013 22:32 GMT
#72
Ah, I said from the start that the mine should do more individual damage, but less splash (and maybe be cheaper in supply). After going in the opposite direction, I'm glad they're doing that.

Proxy oracle? I've never even heard of that, nor do I see the point. I think the oracle is the worst design unit out of all the new ones. Since it's expensive and doesn't do anything special... let's just make it do damage really fast.

Void Rays might be a bit too strong, I hope they don't over-nerf them. I agree that the hellbat is in a good place now. I was never a big fan of Ultra charge and hope they'll leave the Ultra as it is.

Overall I agree that the game seems really balanced. My biggest concern being that in early game ZvT there is really nothing to keep the Terran honest. They're leagues ahead of any race defensively in the early game, and I think that people will eventually find ways to abuse that.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
March 14 2013 22:33 GMT
#73
I am surprised at the lack of mention of medivac speed. Even a "they are working as intended" would be an answer.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
March 14 2013 22:36 GMT
#74
nothing about the medivac boost?
Cj hero | Zest
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
March 14 2013 22:36 GMT
#75
On March 15 2013 07:33 achan1058 wrote:
I am surprised at the lack of mention of medivac speed. Even a "they are working as intended" would be an answer.


If I understand well it's not really an interview but a random discussion in a train, so there's nothing to be surprised about.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
March 14 2013 22:38 GMT
#76
the problem with his skills is, he isnt allowed to play in tournaments because its "his" game so ^_^ no one knows his true skill
he should make a few showmatchs after all haha

well the ultralisk is super strong perhaps even to strong now and give him now charge ... uhhh

On March 15 2013 06:25 peidongyang wrote:
I'm calling bs on the gm three races thing
That means he is performing at a similar if not higher level than thorzain, sase and a lesser tier Korean pro Zerg at their respective races? Yeah bullshit.


you talking shit man and i hope you know it, being GM on LOWER level they said so its like 150-200 ranked GM
to be true such GM's can be even beaten by top masters and for someone playing it so much its understandable to be GM ... i would wonder if he wasnt i mean he was high master in the beginning and master with all 3 races can be done in less then 500 sc2 games ! (i did so i know) and if he plays the 100 * of that he is GM no matter what, gm not means pro by far
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
SuperHarryoBro
Profile Joined October 2012
31 Posts
March 14 2013 22:40 GMT
#77
On March 15 2013 07:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:05 SuperHarryoBro wrote:
Why not make the widow mine bomb killable so stalkers can lead and kill it like dragoons and spider mines.


Because unlike spider mines, widow mines aren't free.


Is any reason to not use a mechanic? Vultures arent free either
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 14 2013 22:40 GMT
#78
On March 15 2013 07:32 MilesTeg wrote:
Proxy oracle? I've never even heard of that


? :D

It was as metagame defining as 4gate in WoL beta. I honestly don't see why they'd want to buff ti, considering even at the highest level Stargate-pressure into expands/all-ins is still extremely viable.

On March 15 2013 07:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:11 Serpico wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:59 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


Blizzard has lied to us many times before though.

Remember how they said they had a team that kept in touch with the mapping community? lol.


It is so unlikely that they are lying. That is like asking to be called out. You don't lie about something that involves playing against the community you are lying to.

GM with all three races is very good and I am not surprised at all. I find it sort of amusing that he likely plays against the pros that keep calling him a stupid.

Like how Lucy Bradshaw would never lie about SimCity 5, I mean it makes no sense!


Thats EA and they do some pretty dumb stuff. Even I was slightly surprised by how stupid that was.

Seriously, he is not going to say he is GM with three races if he can't back it up. I don't think he is going to be taking down Life or Flash any time soon, he does work in the office where it is all SC2 all the time. I think people on TL are just having a hard time believe that Blizzard has anyone on their staff that good at the game, let alone DK.


KRGM does mean that, once in a while, you should be taking down Flash and Life or players of similar caliber. I doubt his statement only because many times, in his 'situation reports' and general thoughts about the game he says things that feel completely out of touch with what's happening in the actual game.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-14 22:43:29
March 14 2013 22:41 GMT
#79
btw i more think he is GM us server ? and then its pretty easy to accept that he is GM with all 3 races, on KR ... i doubt

On March 15 2013 07:40 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:32 MilesTeg wrote:
Proxy oracle? I've never even heard of that


? :D

It was as metagame defining as 4gate in WoL beta. I honestly don't see why they'd want to buff ti, considering even at the highest level Stargate-pressure into expands/all-ins is still extremely viable.

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 07:15 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:11 Serpico wrote:
On March 15 2013 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:59 Glurkenspurk wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:52 larse wrote:
On March 15 2013 06:45 archflames wrote:
He's almost obligated to say he's GM with all 3 races otherwise people would scream imbalance towards the race that David Kim is better/worse at.


There is no reason to lie. Anyone found out, the payback is too great to take. Remember Jay Wilson?

Dustin Browder is also in charge of balance but he admits he is Gold.


Blizzard has lied to us many times before though.

Remember how they said they had a team that kept in touch with the mapping community? lol.


It is so unlikely that they are lying. That is like asking to be called out. You don't lie about something that involves playing against the community you are lying to.

GM with all three races is very good and I am not surprised at all. I find it sort of amusing that he likely plays against the pros that keep calling him a stupid.

Like how Lucy Bradshaw would never lie about SimCity 5, I mean it makes no sense!


Thats EA and they do some pretty dumb stuff. Even I was slightly surprised by how stupid that was.

Seriously, he is not going to say he is GM with three races if he can't back it up. I don't think he is going to be taking down Life or Flash any time soon, he does work in the office where it is all SC2 all the time. I think people on TL are just having a hard time believe that Blizzard has anyone on their staff that good at the game, let alone DK.


KRGM does mean that, once in a while, you should be taking down Flash and Life or players of similar caliber. I doubt his statement only because many times, in his 'situation reports' and general thoughts about the game he says things that feel completely out of touch with what's happening in the actual game.


HELL NO why KRGM means you can beat flash ? are you crazy man ? does mean you being 200th GM on europe you can beat socke or ret ? NO you lose 0-100 to them by far far far ....
and its even huger in korea most pros play intern and not ladder so if its on kr and not us server DAMN no does it mean anything

with less then 500 games i was master in korea and if he is playing alot then why not GM ? low gm means NOTHING (good players are master because kicked out not play few days etc)

so again to make sure, being GM not means your pro and it can still mean you lose 0-100 to EVERY to pro not only flash or life even 0-100 vs gumiho your argument is so ... AH DAMNIT
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
March 14 2013 22:44 GMT
#80
I feel it is way, way, way too early to be talking about buffs and nerfs. I'm sorry but IEM is not enough data to show anything. If we are being honest, there were too many lower level players there (as proven by LG-IM rising to top four - very embarrassing for foreigners).

We will need to see top level players against top level players, I'm talking Code S level. I think the fact that the Life vs. Flash showmatch turned out to be so epic was not a coincidence and I have not seen ANY player that compares to either of those players yet. I think there are enough top level players coming up in MLG where we might get a better idea of where HOTS is at.
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