"...We are thrilled to welcome Coach Park as the new Head Coach of EG-Liquid, and we are very excited to work with him going forward in the second half of the 2012-2013 Proleague season. Beginning March 12th (next week), EG-TL’s players will officially be under his leadership.
“I’ve wanted to join a foreign team for a very long time now, so it feels like I have finally met my dream. It’s very exciting to work with both Korean players and foreign players,” said Coach Park.
This does not mean, in any way, that the members of our current coaching staff will be replaced. We think that Sung Hwan “Hwanni” Kim and Sung Jin “trOt” Park did the best they could, given the situation they were put in, but in retrospect it was unrealistic to expect Sung Jin, who was coaching in a non-assistant role for the first time, and Hwanni, who was simultaneously fulfilling the roles of the team’s Head Coach and Operations Manager, to keep EG-Liquid at the same level as KeSPA teams with years and years of experience. Going forward, Sung Jin will work directly under Head Coach Park as his Assistant Coach, and Hwanni will focus strictly on our Korean Operations. We are also considering improving the depth and versatility of our Proleague lineup by adding more players to the roster, but no such additions have been finalized as of yet..."
I'm excited, as well.
Coach Park's Career Achievements (Brood War)
2006 Sky Proleague 1st place (Coach, MBCGame Hero) 08-09 Shinhan Bank Proleague 1st place (Head Coach, SK Telecom T1) 09-10 Shinhan Bank Proleague 2nd place (Head Coach, SK Telecom T1) 10-11 Shinhan Bank Proleague 2nd place (Head Coach, SK Telecom T1) 2012 SK Planet Proleague Season One 1st place (Head Coach, SK Telecom T1) 2x Proleague regular season Coach of the Year
Personally I'm very positive about it, but that's up to the front office in the end. I would enjoy living with foreigners and seeing what they're like. Also, the way they approach games is a bit different from Koreans, so I would like to analyze that difference and find exactly why Koreans become top-class gamers. But I would have to learn English first, I guess? (laughs)
This is how you make talented players better. It not about practicing for 16 hours, its about having someone direct their practice to get the most out of their time. Its about getting one of the best coach available who wants the challenge of getting non-korean players to the level that Kespa stars are at. I am more pumped for Pro-league than ever.
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him as a coach for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
A big step in the right direction. Its a shame this didn't happen during the WoL period, since it'll be harder to gauge the success of this change with a new game.
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him as a coach for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
Thanks for that! The translation I got was a bit sketchy. Does that mean that SKT is expanding so that their focus is no longer SC2, so they wanted a manager that manages several games at the same time? While Park did not feel happy with this?
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him as a coach for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
Thanks for that! The translation I got was a bit sketchy. Does that mean that SKT is expanding so that their focus is no longer SC2, so they wanted a manager that manages several games at the same time? While Park did not feel happy with this?
No one knows for sure, cause Korean news always covers up the details with PR statements like that.
On March 13 2013 23:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Sweet! Now all we need is for SKT and EG to combine forces...
Christ, that would split the universe in half. It would make so little sense (other than the old SlayerS-EG alliance vibes with BoxeR being on SKT and all) but it'd be so awesome
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
On March 13 2013 23:50 riotjune wrote: Oh man, it's going to be like boot camp. Vacation's over guys
This guy nailed it.
I bet a lot of the players will welcome the practice structure. At some point, they must feel pretty aimless in their practice and not knowing the best way to improve. If it leads to results, I’m sure they will all be pumped to train up and throw down.
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him as a coach for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
This is like a set up to a cheesy hollywood sports movie. EGTL at the bottom of the ranks, demoralized, falling apart. The players turn to alcohol and hookers to cope with their feelings of guilt and dejection. Zenio gets in trouble with the law. Puma tries to take too many pills. Cut to coach Park. He's out of the game, retired from coaching. He initially rejects to help EG-TL, until he's up watching the games one night and sees Hero's pretty face crying after a match. He then sees team Woongjin star's players doing a douchey victory performance like pretending to wash dishes. After a lot of "I'm too old for this shit", inspired by Hero's innocence, he decides to get back into the game.
In comes this super coach, and a dramatic training montage to rock music plays for a few minutes. The next game EGTL goes 0-3, down to the last player, and he loses all his workers and goes down to a 100 supply deficit. It looks like all hope is lost and then he turns it around and wins the round, and the next, and the next until we're 3-3 in the ace match. Dramatic as fuck music plays and the very last round goes into slow-motion camera micro for the EGTL wins. They end up winning the whole season.
I promised myself to never pick EG-TL again in FPL from round 4 onwards and now this.... I think they got me and I will give them another chance. Damn you EG-TL why can I not hate you .
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
I know your point, Milkis, I just don't care. I am entited to my opinion of Boxer based what I have read. I do not need to meet him personally or have dinner with him to confirm this opinion before expressing it. The man has an ego.
Park probably isn't used to players not being completely focused on Pro League, and the players are definitely not used to not getting any time to practice for individual leagues. I don't think this will work out because the players don't have the mindset or salary to achieve what Park will probably want out of them.
Well considering how successful the T1 zergs have been, this can be a great move for the team. Only time will tell as there is a long wait before proleague starts up again and with it being HOTS, all bets are off on which players will be successful.
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
Nobody will ever come up with this kind of inference so don't bother concerning.
So much money for coaching code B players like JYP, Revival and Zenio... quite sad. Only Taeja, Hero and Stephano have the level of proleague and gsl but I don't think they really need coaching.
If Stephano stays in Korea a bit longer (which is unlikely given how badly he wants to leave), I wonder whether EG will let Stephano do his thing or, if this guy is an authoritarian, whether they'll actually make him practice with the team during whatever time is designated for practice. I'm predicting Stephano will retire from SC2 soon if EG actually forces him to practice on a KESPA-like schedule for any extended period.
On March 14 2013 00:13 nooboon wrote: All this optimism for EG-Liquid
Well considering how successful the T1 zergs have been, this can be a great move for the team. Only time will tell as there is a long wait before proleague starts up again and with it being HOTS, all bets are off on which players will be successful.
Wow, this is good news for EG-TL. What they need is a coach who pushes them hard and makes them practice, in other words, a drill sergeant. Coach Park is the right person for this job. EG and TL must have pooled their resources to get him, this is way far from being a cheap investment.
I hope this coach keeps everyone on a retardedly short leash and practicing their asses out in slavery-like training mode. That's what it's going to take to reverse the EG-TL current results.
On March 14 2013 00:12 Snoodles wrote: This is like a set up to a cheesy hollywood sports movie. EGTL at the bottom of the ranks, demoralized, falling apart. The players turn to alcohol and hookers to cope with their feelings of guilt and dejection. Zenio gets in trouble with the law. Puma tries to take too many pills. Cut to coach Park. He's out of the game, retired from coaching. He initially rejects to help EG-TL, until he's up watching the games one night and sees Hero's pretty face crying after a match. He then sees team Woongjin star's players doing a douchey victory performance like pretending to wash dishes. After a lot of "I'm too old for this shit", inspired by Hero's innocence, he decides to get back into the game.
In comes this super coach, and a dramatic training montage to rock music plays for a few minutes. The next game EGTL goes 0-3, down to the last player, and he loses all his workers and goes down to a 100 supply deficit. It looks like all hope is lost and then he turns it around and wins the round, and the next, and the next until we're 3-3 in the ace match. Dramatic as fuck music plays and the very last round goes into slow-motion camera micro for the EGTL wins. They end up winning the whole season.
On March 14 2013 00:13 nooboon wrote: All this optimism for EG-Liquid
Well considering how successful the T1 zergs have been, this can be a great move for the team. Only time will tell as there is a long wait before proleague starts up again and with it being HOTS, all bets are off on which players will be successful.
When does round 4 actually start?
I don't know. I heard that it was a month after the HOTS release so most likely in April. Possibly at the end of march. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can give a more specific date.
On March 14 2013 00:12 Snoodles wrote: This is like a set up to a cheesy hollywood sports movie. EGTL at the bottom of the ranks, demoralized, falling apart. The players turn to alcohol and hookers to cope with their feelings of guilt and dejection. Zenio gets in trouble with the law. Puma tries to take too many pills. Cut to coach Park. He's out of the game, retired from coaching. He initially rejects to help EG-TL, until he's up watching the games one night and sees Hero's pretty face crying after a match. He then sees team Woongjin star's players doing a douchey victory performance like pretending to wash dishes. After a lot of "I'm too old for this shit", inspired by Hero's innocence, he decides to get back into the game.
In comes this super coach, and a dramatic training montage to rock music plays for a few minutes. The next game EGTL goes 0-3, down to the last player, and he loses all his workers and goes down to a 100 supply deficit. It looks like all hope is lost and then he turns it around and wins the round, and the next, and the next until we're 3-3 in the ace match. Dramatic as fuck music plays and the very last round goes into slow-motion camera micro for the EGTL wins. They end up winning the whole season.
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
I know your point, Milkis, I just don't care. I am entited to my opinion of Boxer based what I have read. I do not need to meet him personally or have dinner with him to confirm this opinion before expressing it. The man has an ego.
you should never ever judge someone based on nothing or on just a first impression, so many people do that. It's one of the things I hate the most and so many people do it too.
I'm interested to see if he can repeat his success given that EG-TL have many other priorities outside of PL (which, of course, is still of great importance) compared to SKT focusing almost solely on Proleague. It would be interesting to see HerO become yet more bisu-like and complain about not having enough GSL practice time :D
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
I know your point, Milkis, I just don't care. I am entited to my opinion of Boxer based what I have read. I do not need to meet him personally or have dinner with him to confirm this opinion before expressing it. The man has an ego.
you should never ever judge someone based on nothing or on just a first impression, so many people do that. It's one of the things I hate the most and so many people do it too.
On March 14 2013 00:28 Waxangel wrote: I'm interested to see if he can repeat his success given that EG-TL have many other priorities outside of PL (which, of course, is still of great importance) compared to SKT focusing almost solely on Proleague. It would be interesting to see HerO become yet more bisu-like and complain about not having enough GSL practice time :D
Does HerO complain about map balance all the time ? :p
They definitely needed to try something, I think this is one of the best ways they could have done it. Does anyone know what will happen with coach "trot"? Is he gonna be like an assistant coach or did he get kicked out the door?
Edit: for the convo about BoxeR's ego or lack of, I think part of why Koreans are so good is not because they have egos and are cocky, but because they believe it is their duty to succeed. An ego would make them handle losses the way some of the more immature foreigners do
On March 14 2013 00:12 Snoodles wrote: This is like a set up to a cheesy hollywood sports movie. EGTL at the bottom of the ranks, demoralized, falling apart. The players turn to alcohol and hookers to cope with their feelings of guilt and dejection. Zenio gets in trouble with the law. Puma tries to take too many pills. Cut to coach Park. He's out of the game, retired from coaching. He initially rejects to help EG-TL, until he's up watching the games one night and sees Hero's pretty face crying after a match. He then sees team Woongjin star's players doing a douchey victory performance like pretending to wash dishes. After a lot of "I'm too old for this shit", inspired by Hero's innocence, he decides to get back into the game.
In comes this super coach, and a dramatic training montage to rock music plays for a few minutes. The next game EGTL goes 0-3, down to the last player, and he loses all his workers and goes down to a 100 supply deficit. It looks like all hope is lost and then he turns it around and wins the round, and the next, and the next until we're 3-3 in the ace match. Dramatic as fuck music plays and the very last round goes into slow-motion camera micro for the EGTL wins. They end up winning the whole season.
Clint Eastwood should be casted for the role of Park
On March 14 2013 00:12 Snoodles wrote: This is like a set up to a cheesy hollywood sports movie. EGTL at the bottom of the ranks, demoralized, falling apart. The players turn to alcohol and hookers to cope with their feelings of guilt and dejection. Zenio gets in trouble with the law. Puma tries to take too many pills. Cut to coach Park. He's out of the game, retired from coaching. He initially rejects to help EG-TL, until he's up watching the games one night and sees Hero's pretty face crying after a match. He then sees team Woongjin star's players doing a douchey victory performance like pretending to wash dishes. After a lot of "I'm too old for this shit", inspired by Hero's innocence, he decides to get back into the game.
In comes this super coach, and a dramatic training montage to rock music plays for a few minutes. The next game EGTL goes 0-3, down to the last player, and he loses all his workers and goes down to a 100 supply deficit. It looks like all hope is lost and then he turns it around and wins the round, and the next, and the next until we're 3-3 in the ace match. Dramatic as fuck music plays and the very last round goes into slow-motion camera micro for the EGTL wins. They end up winning the whole season.
Not sure if EGTL will respond positively to 12 hours + per week of play for 6 days a week. I feel like a lot of EGTL's good players like Taeja and Hero will be worse off due to the potential boot camp like regime, which will come in conflict with the training style they're comfortable with, which is by the way, very very effective as results have shown. Not to mention, Stephano will most likely leave Proleague altogether if someone literally forces him to play in an already less than desired environment. Also, it's probably just me, but i'm getting the vibe that the EGTL players aren't enjoying themselves as a team as opposed to the other proleague houses, which is a factor that can't be remedied with deep pockets or an autocratic coach.
On March 13 2013 23:50 Ghanburighan wrote: I see the "what" and I'm hopeful. But I don't see the "how"? How did you get Coach Park?!
boxer was pretty much the head coach for the entirety of this season, and coach park was more of an "adviser" role (hint hint, skt likely didn't recontract him for some reason or there was likely some disagreement of sorts).
I can't imagine Boxer’s ego being able to deal with an other coach working with his team, especially one so accomplished. Two type A personalities is always bad for any group.
What do you know about Boxer's "ego"? Do you know him personally or what
No and neither do you, so don't act like it. But no one gets as good as Boxer at something without developing a healthy amount of pride and ego. The same would go for Coach Park. You couldn’t have two super bowl winning coaches in the NFL work together either. These people need their space to do the work they do and direct a team.
My point is I wouldn't call anyone to having a big "ego" without actually having met the person. It's a reasonable conjecture but it's just silly because people will read it and actually believe it despite you have no actual experiences with the person to back it up
I know your point, Milkis, I just don't care. I am entited to my opinion of Boxer based what I have read. I do not need to meet him personally or have dinner with him to confirm this opinion before expressing it. The man has an ego.
you should never ever judge someone based on nothing or on just a first impression, so many people do that. It's one of the things I hate the most and so many people do it too.
welcome to sports anything fandom :o
Exactly. It is not like any of us are ever going to get the chance to truly know any of the coaches/players personally and it is not reasonable to expect someone to “not have an opinion until they do”. I also find is super amusing that some people chiding me for “judging” Boxer, but tons of people can just dump hate on HUK/Idra on any given day of the week with no response.
I dunno why people assume that it will EG-TL instantly deferring to Coach Park's decisions. EG-TL HAVE to do things like streaming/foreign tourneys because that's just how an international team works and creates visibility for sponsors. They will talk to Park, and try to work out the best compromises possible. I don't think either side expects this to always be smooth (it never is when you're juggling multiple interests), and it's almost inevitable that both sides will be frustrated at each other at times. The question is whether through all of that, they can get a satisfactory result in PL anyway.
On March 14 2013 00:38 Plansix wrote: Exactly. It is not like any of us are ever going to get the chance to truly know any of the coaches/players personally and it is not reasonable to expect someone to “not have an opinion until they do”. I also find is super amusing that some people chiding me for “judging” Boxer, but tons of people can just dump hate on HUK/Idra on any given day of the week with no response.
LOL! Nobody ever can dump hate on Huk or idra with no response. Actually, nobody can even mention idra with no response. I mean sure, Huk does get a lot of stupid unnecessary hate, but "with no response", that just doesn't happen.
If they can make this work with the different perspectives on how a team is run between Alex Garfield's foreign team approach and a former Kespa coach's way of doing it, this is going to be sick, they probably couldn't have gotten anyone better.
IF the players are able to do as told, then this is the best thing to have happen to foreign players/ teams IMO. It's a big "if" though, what with all the "personalities" some foreigners have.
Bad News Bears. They'll come close but I'll be damned if they can win it all. Hopefully this will allow the players stationed in Korea a better shot at improvement under a better training environment with coach Park.
On March 14 2013 00:59 HereBeDragons wrote: So what happens to trOt now?
"This does not mean, in any way, that the members of our current coaching staff will be replaced. We think that Sung Hwan “Hwanni” Kim and Sung Jin “trOt” Park did the best they could, given the situation they were put in, but in retrospect it was unrealistic to expect Sung Jin, who was coaching in a non-assistant role for the first time, and Hwanni, who was simultaneously fulfilling the roles of the team’s Head Coach and Operations Manager, to keep EG-Liquid at the same level as KeSPA teams with years and years of experience. Going forward, Sung Jin will work directly under Head Coach Park as his Assistant Coach, and Hwanni will focus strictly on our Korean Operations. "
Let's hope this experience will add well to EG and they together with TL will have better results in the near future. Grats to both and insane pickup o0.
On March 13 2013 23:46 fabiano wrote: WHAT THE FUCK
SKT? WHAT THE FUCK?
This like a million times. God the nerd rage is strong in this news story. He needs to come back to Brood War. More reason to hate EG I guess.
To coach what team?
There are plenty of players and clans. Team leagues are just a step away at this time. If notable figure like him taking on a team would be huge for the sc1 scene.
On March 13 2013 23:46 fabiano wrote: WHAT THE FUCK
SKT? WHAT THE FUCK?
This like a million times. God the nerd rage is strong in this news story. He needs to come back to Brood War. More reason to hate EG I guess.
To coach what team?
For what league that would pay him what he is worth?
Unlike EG, coaching in sc1 wouldn't be about money. It would be about contributing passion and knowledge gained over a decade to young kids growing in the sc1 scene. It would be about them having a mentor as they try and make sc1 flourish competitively. Until sc1 has a new boxer to help rally amongst the player we have to rely on clan leaders and Sonic's passion to steer the direction of up and coming players.
On March 13 2013 23:46 fabiano wrote: WHAT THE FUCK
SKT? WHAT THE FUCK?
This like a million times. God the nerd rage is strong in this news story. He needs to come back to Brood War. More reason to hate EG I guess.
To coach what team?
There are plenty of players and clans. Team leagues are just a step away at this time. If notable figure like him taking on a team would be huge for the sc1 scene.
On March 13 2013 23:46 fabiano wrote: WHAT THE FUCK
SKT? WHAT THE FUCK?
This like a million times. God the nerd rage is strong in this news story. He needs to come back to Brood War. More reason to hate EG I guess.
To coach what team?
For what league that would pay him what he is worth?
Unlike EG, coaching in sc1 wouldn't be about money. It would be about contributing passion and knowledge gained over a decade to young kids growing in the sc1 scene. It would be about them having a mentor as they try and make sc1 flourish competitively. Until sc1 has a new boxer to help rally amongst the player we have to rely on clan leaders and Sonic's passion to steer the direction of up and coming players.
I don't know much about Coach Park, but I am sure he likes to pay rent, raise his kids(if he has them) and do all the things he has been doing as a high level professional coach. These people do this stuff for a living, not as a hobby. It is how they paid their bills, which is awesome. The whole, "its all about money argument" is silly, since it is the reason all of these folks got into BW in the first place.
Wow, Coach Park on a foreign team. Hopefully it works out well for both parties!
It's funny, we've heard a lot of Korean players over the past couple years say that they want to try being on a foreign team, but for some reason I hadn't ever really thought about coaches wanting the same thing.
On March 13 2013 23:43 EthanKairos wrote: 10-11 Shinhan Bank Proleague 1st place (Head Coach, SK Telecom T1)
False, SKT lost to KT again in 10-11 season.
Yeah but we did win the STX cup which holds so much more value.
oh yeah totally.
I'll have to side with that opinion, any league where Hyuk does an all-kill is awesome. I'm more serious than you would guess. I'm a KT fan, but I mean, Hyuk.
First, we’ll be increasing our infrastructure budget operation-wide, which includes everything from our team house itself, to our ground transportation, to our player support – we’re going to allocate more resources and improve the entire operation, in every way we can, so that our players can minimize their distractions and put additional focus on their play in a more organized, structured environment
You never fail to impress with the support you give your players EG, you guys rock! Fighting!
This is COACH PARK. The man who guided SKT to victory in the final BW proleague against KT (amongst numerous other successes).
Flash lost *twice* during that series. Once in an epic macro game vs Fantasy, and then again in the ace against Bisu. You can bet that the proxygate opening was either Park's idea, or he agreed to it fully.
Dude has sick gamesense and a real nice pair of low-hangers. Here's hoping that he can turn the EGTL ship around.
On March 14 2013 01:27 Ettick wrote: I hope this means EGTL will start performing as well as everyone thought they would at the beginning of proleague
I hate it when coaches become the scapegoats of a team.
On March 14 2013 00:40 Waxangel wrote: EG-TL HAVE to do things like streaming/foreign tourneys because that's just how an international team works and creates visibility for sponsors. They will talk to Park, and try to work out the best compromises possible. I don't think either side expects this to always be smooth (it never is when you're juggling multiple interests), and it's almost inevitable that both sides will be frustrated at each other at times. The question is whether through all of that, they can get a satisfactory result in PL anyway.
One of the more useful posts in this thread. Way to some up my thoughts in a few sentences. If you really want to change the culture of the team it has to start at the very top.
On March 14 2013 01:43 Martyrc wrote: Inb4 Stephano wins everything ever.
Fat chance. He's a Pro League regular. You guys shouldn't expect anything more out of him and he's proved his point in WoL. The amount of expectations you guys have for TL and EG alike is dumbfounding.
nice, i was wondering how hwanni make everything ^^ good for him he can breath at least now ^^
On March 14 2013 01:45 StevenWang wrote: I think its a waste of money and investment in my honest opinion. But, nonetheless, good luck. I doubt we'll see in change in play.
i think you ahve no clue how good this coaches are
On March 14 2013 01:45 StevenWang wrote: I think its a waste of money and investment in my honest opinion. But, nonetheless, good luck. I doubt we'll see in change in play.
yeah i think so too, players' skill level aren't that high and they pretty much reached their ceiling. Good luck nonetheless
EG never ceases to amaze me. This is f****** huge. I would lie if I said that EG losing week after week didn't bring me joy but Coach Park will surely make men ouf of these sloths.
On March 14 2013 00:40 Waxangel wrote: EG-TL HAVE to do things like streaming/foreign tourneys because that's just how an international team works and creates visibility for sponsors. They will talk to Park, and try to work out the best compromises possible. I don't think either side expects this to always be smooth (it never is when you're juggling multiple interests), and it's almost inevitable that both sides will be frustrated at each other at times. The question is whether through all of that, they can get a satisfactory result in PL anyway.
One of the more useful posts in this thread. Way to some up my thoughts in a few sentences. If you really want to change the culture of the team it has to start at the very top.
Well I don't think the teams or Coach Park are going to stop players streaming and going to foreign tourneys. Coaches don't make players practice harder, they just make them practice better. Every professional sport uses them, because they can provide a more objective view of a player and their weaknesses. Even figure skaters have coaches, because someone needs to watch them and point on where they are messing up.
If anything, I think he will add structure to the process and make sure the players can focus on the praticing. I could see him saying "Use your streaming time to warm up for an hour or two, interact with some fans. Then we will get some solid pratice in for your next event for the next 6 hours". Or making sure the player doesn't have to worry about their flight to a foreign event or getting to and form the airport, which can suck hours of time away from you.
On March 14 2013 01:00 Jealous wrote: Man, EG is rich and greedy as fuck. This upsets me greatly as an SKT fan.
You are talking about the SKT that made a bid for PartinG, right? Let's not feel to sorry for SKT.
SKT supports their team the most. Nothing wrong with passionate sponsors. Let's see some of that passion from STX is all I mean. They need a little boost.
A step in the right direction. Whether EGTL can compete with the KESPA teams remains to be seen, but coach Park certainly know a lot about how to prepare for proleague.
As much as I would love to see EGTL start to do well now...i'm not getting my hopes up
I don't know how helpful a coach is for the team (we'll see)... but when there isn't a common language for communication, yet, that doesn't give me much hope of change for foreigner performance...hopefully he has medical and psychiatric experience too so he can fix up the korean players
I really like the move and hopefully it pays out for EG to invest in something/somebody that improves their players. EG has a branding that players get worse after joining the Team. Maybe it will be the other way around from now on.
On March 14 2013 01:00 Jealous wrote: Man, EG is rich and greedy as fuck. This upsets me greatly as an SKT fan.
You are talking about the SKT that made a bid for PartinG, right? Let's not feel to sorry for SKT.
SKT supports their team the most. Nothing wrong with passionate sponsors. Let's see some of that passion from STX is all I mean. They need a little boost.
Passionate is a funny term. Most of them are likely intrested in making as much money as possible and investing is professional gamers is a good way to get good exposure.
On March 14 2013 01:00 Jealous wrote: Man, EG is rich and greedy as fuck. This upsets me greatly as an SKT fan.
You are talking about the SKT that made a bid for PartinG, right? Let's not feel to sorry for SKT.
SKT supports their team the most. Nothing wrong with passionate sponsors. Let's see some of that passion from STX is all I mean. They need a little boost.
Passionate is a funny term. Most of them are likely intrested in making as much money as possible and investing is professional gamers is a good way to get good exposure.
Their was a hint of sarcasm that should be mixed in their. I definitely agree with you. Those who want the most money are the most passionate xD
So does the acquisition mean that EG-TL will be a mainstay in the proleague for seasons to come? I can't see Coach Park leaving SKT1 for something that's not going to last.
I honestly had to google image to confirm it was indeed him. How could SKT drop a coach that has brought so much for the team over the past years? Anyways, this is a huge pick up for EGTL. It's the SC2 equivalent of hiring someone like Jose Mourhino.
On March 14 2013 02:50 ShivaN wrote: So does the acquisition mean that EG-TL will be a mainstay in the proleague for seasons to come? I can't see Coach Park leaving SKT1 for something that's not going to last.
He had already left SKT1...
Is he really good nowadays? Why was he replaced on SKT1?
On March 14 2013 01:45 StevenWang wrote: I think its a waste of money and investment in my honest opinion. But, nonetheless, good luck. I doubt we'll see in change in play.
yeah i think so too, players' skill level aren't that high and they pretty much reached their ceiling. Good luck nonetheless
Have you watched the games? I'm not saying that a coach is going to suddenly make them into world beaters but it's clear from the number of build order losses and weakest matchups the team has been getting that there's plenty of room for improvement even if the players don't massively improve their basic skill levels.
On March 14 2013 01:45 StevenWang wrote: I think its a waste of money and investment in my honest opinion. But, nonetheless, good luck. I doubt we'll see in change in play.
yeah i think so too, players' skill level aren't that high and they pretty much reached their ceiling. Good luck nonetheless
Have you watched the games? I'm not saying that a coach is going to suddenly make them into world beaters but it's clear from the number of build order losses and weakest matchups the team has been getting that there's plenty of room for improvement even if the players don't massively improve their basic skill levels.
I'd say thats more due to EG-TL not prioritizing proleague (as an orgazatinal decision) and I'm not sure what the new coach can do about that. GL to him, he's probably going to need it.
On March 14 2013 02:58 Zzoram wrote: Doesn't EG already have 2 coaches? Are they getting fired?
I assume you didn't read the article?
This does not mean, in any way, that the members of our current coaching staff will be replaced. We think that Sung Hwan “Hwanni” Kim and Sung Jin “trOt” Park did the best they could, given the situation they were put in, but in retrospect it was unrealistic to expect Sung Jin, who was coaching in a non-assistant role for the first time, and Hwanni, who was simultaneously fulfilling the roles of the team’s Head Coach and Operations Manager, to keep EG-Liquid at the same level as KeSPA teams with years and years of experience. Going forward, Sung Jin will work directly under Head Coach Park as his Assistant Coach, and Hwanni will focus strictly on our Korean Operations. We are also considering improving the depth and versatility of our Proleague lineup by adding more players to the roster, but no such additions have been finalized as of yet.
On March 14 2013 02:50 ShivaN wrote: So does the acquisition mean that EG-TL will be a mainstay in the proleague for seasons to come? I can't see Coach Park leaving SKT1 for something that's not going to last.
He had already left SKT1...
Is he really good nowadays? Why was he replaced on SKT1?
On March 14 2013 00:12 Snoodles wrote: This is like a set up to a cheesy hollywood sports movie. EGTL at the bottom of the ranks, demoralized, falling apart. The players turn to alcohol and hookers to cope with their feelings of guilt and dejection. Zenio gets in trouble with the law. Puma tries to take too many pills. Cut to coach Park. He's out of the game, retired from coaching. He initially rejects to help EG-TL, until he's up watching the games one night and sees Hero's pretty face crying after a match. He then sees team Woongjin star's players doing a douchey victory performance like pretending to wash dishes. After a lot of "I'm too old for this shit", inspired by Hero's innocence, he decides to get back into the game.
In comes this super coach, and a dramatic training montage to rock music plays for a few minutes. The next game EGTL goes 0-3, down to the last player, and he loses all his workers and goes down to a 100 supply deficit. It looks like all hope is lost and then he turns it around and wins the round, and the next, and the next until we're 3-3 in the ace match. Dramatic as fuck music plays and the very last round goes into slow-motion camera micro for the EGTL wins. They end up winning the whole season.
Lmao so good.
This is pretty fucking huge. Hopefully it won't be too massive a hit for T1 though. :/
On March 14 2013 02:53 Daswollvieh wrote: I wish it would be like football, and a new coach gets some new players he likes. (Get Bisu over there!)
I'd rather see Bisu retire than leaving SKT
If he brought much exposure beyond just his past reputation, basically if he were any good at the game, you can bet your ass EG would try to buy him too.
The good news is that considering that EGTL is currently last place, and is on a 16 game losing streak, and having lost the last 3 matches 0-4, chances are that they are eventually going to win a game, and only lose 1-4 or 2-4. It's almost impossible to make the team's performance any worse, if that's any consolation.
And it's funny how people are getting hyped up and hoping that now EGTL will be suddenly able to pull off a miracle comeback. Turnarounds take time, and the dividends from getting a new coach may not be apparent until perhaps even next season.
On March 14 2013 01:00 Jealous wrote: Man, EG is rich and greedy as fuck. This upsets me greatly as an SKT fan.
This is the most amazing news ever. I could genuinely see this having lasting and far-reaching positive effects not only for EG and TL, but for practice in the broader foreigner community in SC2, to have the chance to interact with one of the greatest and most dedicated Korean coaches.
Holy crap... I don't even know what to say. This is such an amazing development. "I'll make a man out of you" sounds about right and is appropriate xD.
On March 14 2013 03:37 HunterX11 wrote: This is the most amazing news ever. I could genuinely see this having lasting and far-reaching positive effects not only for EG and TL, but for practice in the broader foreigner community in SC2, to have the chance to interact with one of the greatest and most dedicated Korean coaches.
Well, interaction should be pretty limited since he doesn't speak English. It's still good, though.
On March 14 2013 03:37 HunterX11 wrote: This is the most amazing news ever. I could genuinely see this having lasting and far-reaching positive effects not only for EG and TL, but for practice in the broader foreigner community in SC2, to have the chance to interact with one of the greatest and most dedicated Korean coaches.
Well, interaction should be pretty limited since he doesn't speak English. It's still good, though.
Really? How good can it be when a coach doesn't even speak your language? What possible benefit would that give the foreigners?
I'm not trying to criticize, I'm just curious. What does foreigners in EG-TL have to look forward to?
If they can afford Coach Park they can afford accomodations. The most immediate solution IMO is he has someone translate for him when he has something important to say, or have daily reports on players' performance in practice, tips, etc.
On March 14 2013 03:37 HunterX11 wrote: This is the most amazing news ever. I could genuinely see this having lasting and far-reaching positive effects not only for EG and TL, but for practice in the broader foreigner community in SC2, to have the chance to interact with one of the greatest and most dedicated Korean coaches.
Well, interaction should be pretty limited since he doesn't speak English. It's still good, though.
Really? How good can it be when a coach doesn't even speak your language? What possible benefit would that give the foreigners?
I'm not trying to criticize, I'm just curious. What does foreigners in EG-TL have to look forward to?
If they can afford Coach Park they can afford accomodations. The most immediate solution IMO is he has someone translate for him when he has something important to say, or have daily reports on players' performance in practice, tips, etc.
Hasn't EG got hwanni to serve as a middle man between foreigners and coach park anyway.
TL if anyone else landing this kind of coup it would be a front page post. Just because you cover MOBAs now don't let us down. You know as well as all of us that this is insane. Who the hell thought Park would be associated with a Foreign team 3 years ago?
On March 14 2013 03:37 HunterX11 wrote: This is the most amazing news ever. I could genuinely see this having lasting and far-reaching positive effects not only for EG and TL, but for practice in the broader foreigner community in SC2, to have the chance to interact with one of the greatest and most dedicated Korean coaches.
Well, interaction should be pretty limited since he doesn't speak English. It's still good, though.
Really? How good can it be when a coach doesn't even speak your language? What possible benefit would that give the foreigners?
I'm not trying to criticize, I'm just curious. What does foreigners in EG-TL have to look forward to?
every professional sport does this to some degree, something must be working.
With the exception of PuMa, Jaedong and IdrA, all the EG-TL players are very inexperienced when it comes to Proleague and preparing for it. Coach Park is going to give them the crash course from Hell if he really wants to turn team back around.
I hope EG doesn't ask him to babysit because he's going to turn the entire roster into a team of robots and machines.
People often say "sick news" about not so sick news... But this, this is actually siiiick =D A fantastic coach for EG-TL, this actually might be the best coach there is o_O
Funny how some people try to apply broodwar rules (such as the bad skt1 zergs) to sc2. It's not like coach park will do any wonders... i can't see anything changing. Jaedong is lost as long as he sticks with EGTL.
On March 14 2013 04:29 Gamegene wrote: With the exception of PuMa, Jaedong and IdrA, all the EG-TL players are very inexperienced when it comes to Proleague and preparing for it. Coach Park is going to give them the crash course from Hell if he really wants to turn team back around.
I hope EG doesn't ask him to babysit because he's going to turn the entire roster into a team of robots and machines.
On March 14 2013 04:29 Gamegene wrote: With the exception of PuMa, Jaedong and IdrA, all the EG-TL players are very inexperienced when it comes to Proleague and preparing for it. Coach Park is going to give them the crash course from Hell if he really wants to turn team back around.
I hope EG doesn't ask him to babysit because he's going to turn the entire roster into a team of robots and machines.
Yes Puma's vast Proleague experience is really showing off, he is really carrying the whole team.
On March 14 2013 04:29 Gamegene wrote: With the exception of PuMa, Jaedong and IdrA, all the EG-TL players are very inexperienced when it comes to Proleague and preparing for it. Coach Park is going to give them the crash course from Hell if he really wants to turn team back around.
I hope EG doesn't ask him to babysit because he's going to turn the entire roster into a team of robots and machines.
why do you add idra on that list rofl...
Probably because he was on kespa teams for a few years.
On March 14 2013 04:29 Gamegene wrote: With the exception of PuMa, Jaedong and IdrA, all the EG-TL players are very inexperienced when it comes to Proleague and preparing for it. Coach Park is going to give them the crash course from Hell if he really wants to turn team back around.
I hope EG doesn't ask him to babysit because he's going to turn the entire roster into a team of robots and machines.
why do you add idra on that list rofl...
Because idra was in a KeSPA team before and by that has experience?
And lets hope the coach can do something to current trainwreck that is going on.
On March 14 2013 04:29 Gamegene wrote: With the exception of PuMa, Jaedong and IdrA, all the EG-TL players are very inexperienced when it comes to Proleague and preparing for it. Coach Park is going to give them the crash course from Hell if he really wants to turn team back around.
I hope EG doesn't ask him to babysit because he's going to turn the entire roster into a team of robots and machines.
why do you add idra on that list rofl...
Probably because he was on kespa teams for a few years.
but he did absolutely nothing for pl... played (and lost) two series in Gom SL's where he was almost ranked the lowest...
a new head coach was long overdue, but coach park? the ultimate boss? wow. now, the last possible excuse for egtl's poor performance is gone. if they continue to derp like recently, there is no one else to blame than the players themselves.
hm after reading about his accomplishments this guy seemed to be a huge badass in broodwar. I guess if EGTL cant post decent results after getting one of the best coaches from Broodwar nobody can help them. Although you cant be too sure that Coach Park is actually as good of a coach as he was in broodwar. This is afterall SC2
On March 14 2013 04:29 Gamegene wrote: With the exception of PuMa, Jaedong and IdrA, all the EG-TL players are very inexperienced when it comes to Proleague and preparing for it. Coach Park is going to give them the crash course from Hell if he really wants to turn team back around.
I hope EG doesn't ask him to babysit because he's going to turn the entire roster into a team of robots and machines.
why do you add idra on that list rofl...
Probably because he was on kespa teams for a few years.
but he did absolutely nothing for pl... played (and lost) two series in Gom SL's where he was almost ranked the lowest...
I'm not saying he did, I just gave a suggestion as to why Gamegene listed him
I know next to nothing of Coach Park but from reading peoples posts he seems to be pretty much a legend. Even so I think some people are been a little over-zealous with phrases like "EG-TL domination incoming". If he can get EG-TL into the playoffs then that's a job damn well done as far as I'm concerned.
On March 14 2013 05:05 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like it's too late, there's almost no way they can get into the playoffs
I feel this is very wrong. They have 4 rounds, woonjin (I believe) lost every single match in round 1. By match I mean they never beat any other team in round 1. Now their on a tear and on top. EGTL can still make playoffs.
Didn't think it would be the same Coach Park of SKT until I saw the picture. Maybe he can instill some professional Korean progamer mindset and attitude to EGTL. It will be interesting if the non-Korean players can take it. I foresee a steady lineup of Korean players though just like in SKT.
Taeja - Fantasy Hero - Bisu JYP - Best Zenio - Hyuk
On March 14 2013 04:38 ]343[ wrote: wtf when did coach park leave SKT lol
great for EG-TL :O
he stepped down when he had a kid afair. Not completely sure tho but Boxer took over right after.
kid affair? Am I missing something here?
afair is an abbreviation(has some fancy name but i forget) for as far as i remember; although he probably could have gone with afaik so as to not have confusion. but he probably didnt realise it could me misinterpreted.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
On March 14 2013 04:38 ]343[ wrote: wtf when did coach park leave SKT lol
great for EG-TL :O
he stepped down when he had a kid afair. Not completely sure tho but Boxer took over right after.
kid affair? Am I missing something here?
afair is an abbreviation(has some fancy name but i forget) for as far as i remember; although he probably could have gone with afaik so as to not have confusion. but he probably didnt realise it could me misinterpreted.
LOL yeah sorry misspell, I meant afair (as far as I rememebr) hahaha
Big. It's gonna get worse for EG-TL if they still can't deliver... but hopefully they should, the players are definitely good enough, they just need to get used to the environment.
On March 14 2013 04:38 ]343[ wrote: wtf when did coach park leave SKT lol
great for EG-TL :O
he stepped down when he had a kid afair. Not completely sure tho but Boxer took over right after.
kid affair? Am I missing something here?
afair is an abbreviation(has some fancy name but i forget) for as far as i remember; although he probably could have gone with afaik so as to not have confusion. but he probably didnt realise it could me misinterpreted.
LOL yeah sorry misspell, I meant afair (as far as I rememebr) hahaha
you spelled it right he just read it as affair since afair isn't that commonly used (I'm assuming since i rarely see it used)
On March 14 2013 05:05 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like it's too late, there's almost no way they can get into the playoffs
I feel this is very wrong. They have 4 rounds, woonjin (I believe) lost every single match in round 1. By match I mean they never beat any other team in round 1. Now their on a tear and on top. EGTL can still make playoffs.
Err... no. WJS had the second best record round 1 at 5-2 (+9). No team went 0-7. Also, there are 3 rounds left.
Incontrol wasn't kidding, this could be big. Or it could be completely meaningless, depending on how well the players take the new coach. Regardless, I want to see EGTL to succeed so badly that I blindly believe in this being a miracle.
Maybe get IdrA back to Korea, with 24/7 practice, the best coach in the world, a sports psychiatrist and all the support money can buy, he could conceivably compete with foreign semi-pros again.
Wooaaaahhh That's actually a really big deal. They're really going for this. I was a bit worried that EGTL would maybe just quit after this season and cut their losses, but now they get Coach Park and they're thinking about adding new players to the roster? That's nuts. Good luck guys.
On March 14 2013 05:05 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like it's too late, there's almost no way they can get into the playoffs
I feel this is very wrong. They have 4 rounds, woonjin (I believe) lost every single match in round 1. By match I mean they never beat any other team in round 1. Now their on a tear and on top. EGTL can still make playoffs.
Err... no. WJS had the second best record round 1 at 5-2 (+9). No team went 0-7. Also, there are 3 rounds left.
On March 14 2013 05:05 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like it's too late, there's almost no way they can get into the playoffs
I feel this is very wrong. They have 4 rounds, woonjin (I believe) lost every single match in round 1. By match I mean they never beat any other team in round 1. Now their on a tear and on top. EGTL can still make playoffs.
Err... no. WJS had the second best record round 1 at 5-2 (+9). No team went 0-7. Also, there are 3 rounds left.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
HAHA! nice :-)
COACH PARK! I LIKE! i hope he can extract the potential of the team. gl hf :-)
This is a huge move. Hopefully this is the kind of move(plus more players in korea) will be just what EG needs to turn this season around and be competitive.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
People just look to reasons/find excuses anywhere and where does it usually begin? The coaching staff. Starcraft never really was a team sport when you look at the bigger picture. That isn't to say Kespa teams do put a lot of focus on practicing for PL; however, every player wants to reach out and grab those individual titles. They say it in their interviews all the time. This dates back to the Brood War days as well. They want that individual sense of accomplishment and considering there's far more tournaments internationally now... they have a lot more opportunities to do so.
You want to see players earn their keep? Make the contract more incentive based on improving their results and other figures like followers, stream numbers, etc. considering we are talking about team EG after all.
man EG has a ton of money. I hope they get some unknown korean practice beasts. I think the coach with a 3 more great korean mechanical players in the house would get them to see better players/ better results. I doubt a coach who has to fight with management about exposure vs practice/preparation time will be able to by himself turn around the team. but will be interesting
also...FXO did it right..should have just followed that model from the start. I bet FXO would have tore apart pro league
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
this would be like the perfect, "worst case" analogy (it hinges on whether or not you really believe if EG-TL lacks in talent, or if they're just not playing up to their potential in PL)
still, if EG-TL finished in the knockout round of PL (is that the EU/WC Ro8 equiv?), I think many people would consider that a success
it's not like England where people are disappointed when they don't win the entire thing
Wow, that's a big move. Coach Park is no slouch obviously. I figure he should be able to whip them into shape, but won't be an overnight thing. Interesting to see how his addition will affect everyone for Round 4.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
this would be like the perfect, "worst case" analogy (it hinges on whether or not you really believe if EG-TL lacks in talent, or if they're just not playing up to their potential in PL)
still, if EG-TL finished in the knockout round of PL (is that the EU/WC Ro8 equiv?), I think many people would consider that a success
it's not like England where people are disappointed when they don't win the entire thing
Aren't people in England already happy when they qualify for a big tournament nowadays? =)
I totally new this would be happening as my previous posts indicated the lack of good leadership. I think EG-TL might turns things around but now immediately and not in round 4.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
this would be like the perfect, "worst case" analogy (it hinges on whether or not you really believe if EG-TL lacks in talent, or if they're just not playing up to their potential in PL)
still, if EG-TL finished in the knockout round of PL (is that the EU/WC Ro8 equiv?), I think many people would consider that a success
it's not like England where people are disappointed when they don't win the entire thing
Aren't people in England already happy when they qualify for a big tournament nowadays? =)
I think they are happy enough to know that there are still at least 11 players in the PL on the field.
This is pretty gigantic. Also seems like they may add players to their roster to increase their depth, which I'd very much like to see. Really hoping to see a turn around in EG-TL's performance with this move.
I wonder why Sung Jin “trOt” Park wasn't fired yet. Consider a lot of people on the team had problems with him, and he doesn't seem to be getting any favors from the community, either.
I've been saying for awhile, the big thing foreign teams are missing is a korean coach who can bring that intense regime. Foreigners are pretty lazy, when they go to korea they usually get a lot better, so it will be great to have a korean coach on their side now. Does this mean Park will only be in korea with JD? or will he also take trips to the US to help idra and team?
On March 14 2013 06:35 Irre wrote: man EG has a ton of money. I hope they get some unknown korean practice beasts. I think the coach with a 3 more great korean mechanical players in the house would get them to see better players/ better results. I doubt a coach who has to fight with management about exposure vs practice/preparation time will be able to by himself turn around the team. but will be interesting
also...FXO did it right..should have just followed that model from the start. I bet FXO would have tore apart pro league
FXO and EGTL's model isn't quite the same though. FXO effectively bought fOu, the entire team, coaches, and the whole infrastructure that the team had already had in place. Even then, it took them roughly a year before they won GSTL. I think the equivalent would be something like EG buying STX or something and annexing all the players into the EG team.
FXO's initial foray into Korea is more similar to the EGTL model, when they sent their team to Korea, but prior to when they acquired fOu. It was a team of foreigners plus Oz and Moonan (IIRC). They were the laughingstock of GSTL, and save for qxc's miraculous allkill of IM, it was an absymal showing for FXO. This is very similar to what TL did for GSTL, and what EGTL did for PL. Not the best results by any means, but then again, this model was basically moving a foreign team onto Korean soil and hope to overcome the odds (culture-shock, the difficulties of setting up a team infrastructure, etc), while tackling the Korean big leagues against the Korean teams on their home turf.
On March 14 2013 07:35 neoghaleon55 wrote: I wonder why Sung Jin “trOt” Park wasn't fired yet. Consider a lot of people on the team had problems with him, and he doesn't seem to be getting any favors from the community, either.
Because he doesn't deserve to be? Put your pitchforks down.
On March 14 2013 07:35 neoghaleon55 wrote: I wonder why Sung Jin “trOt” Park wasn't fired yet. Consider a lot of people on the team had problems with him, and he doesn't seem to be getting any favors from the community, either.
Not a lot of people. Just Stephano. And he has a problem with him, because he doesn't practice.... And the community is stupid anyways, why would anyone with half a brain listen to community at all?
On March 13 2013 23:48 Taku wrote: Wow, I wonder how SKT T1 took this news
Boxer > Park IMO.
We'll have to see. Don't get me wrong, Boxer is an amazing guy, but Park does have more coaching experience than Boxer, who was primarily a player for most of his career. Boxer is an icon, but he will have to prove that he can lead SKT to the same heights that he did as a player, but this time as a coach.
On March 14 2013 08:41 jinorazi wrote: in korea, when coach tells you to do something, you do it.
i suspect the contrary by certain members of egtl...perhaps hindering performance of some players.
i eagerly await for coach carter stuff out of egtl house! reality TV show gogogo!!
Yeah, I really hope Stephano and HuK grow up and learn how to get yelled at. Granted, I don't know the situation, but somehow I don't see them as the type to used to such treatment. Or the kind to take kindly to it
This is sick. I can't wait for the leaner, meaner EG-TL.
I think this is also historically super-important as it's the first time that a foreign team is having access to Korean top-level management and infrastructure. All the arguments we've been having about Korean advantages is about to be put to the test right in front of us. If EG-TL succeeds then this could mean more teams adopting the Korean model even if they're not in Korea.
On March 14 2013 08:41 jinorazi wrote: in korea, when coach tells you to do something, you do it.
i suspect the contrary by certain members of egtl...perhaps hindering performance of some players.
i eagerly await for coach carter stuff out of egtl house! reality TV show gogogo!!
Yeah, I really hope Stephano and HuK grow up and learn how to get yelled at. Granted, I don't know the situation, but somehow I don't see them as the type to used to such treatment. Or the kind to take kindly to it
The great thing about growing up is that you shouldn't get yelled at. But I guess most coaches for other sports see their teams as a giant group of children and feel the need to make players feel bad in order to encourage results.
Hopefully Coach Park does well advising a foreign team. The challenge in coaching cross language and culture might be too much, even for such an established coach. There are so many variables at play.
On March 14 2013 08:53 Tachion wrote: Is Hwanni still employed with EG-TL? He was a player manager or something right?
Sigh. Yes, both him and other Coach Park is still there. They are doing different tasks.
This does not mean, in any way, that the members of our current coaching staff will be replaced. We think that Sung Hwan “Hwanni” Kim and Sung Jin “trOt” Park did the best they could, given the situation they were put in, but in retrospect it was unrealistic to expect Sung Jin, who was coaching in a non-assistant role for the first time, and Hwanni, who was simultaneously fulfilling the roles of the team’s Head Coach and Operations Manager, to keep EG-Liquid at the same level as KeSPA teams with years and years of experience. Going forward, Sung Jin will work directly under Head Coach Park as his Assistant Coach, and Hwanni will focus strictly on our Korean Operations. We are also considering improving the depth and versatility of our Proleague lineup by adding more players to the roster, but no such additions have been finalized as of yet.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
this would be like the perfect, "worst case" analogy (it hinges on whether or not you really believe if EG-TL lacks in talent, or if they're just not playing up to their potential in PL)
still, if EG-TL finished in the knockout round of PL (is that the EU/WC Ro8 equiv?), I think many people would consider that a success
it's not like England where people are disappointed when they don't win the entire thing
Aren't people in England already happy when they qualify for a big tournament nowadays? =)
We usually beet a team like Lichtenstein or Faroe Islands and act like we won the fucking world cup.
On March 14 2013 05:05 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like it's too late, there's almost no way they can get into the playoffs
Okay, they are bottom of the league but with 21 games left to play a 4th place finish is far from a 'near impossible scenario'. We're only half way through, quite literally any placement scenario between the six teams is still possible.
What does this change within the EGTL organisation?
What should we expect to see from the players, given the new coach?
Will the guy come out whipping stuff up and forcing proper practice and a korean regiment? Wouldn't this be bad for the players who are used to a "more laid back (albeit not overly)" style of training.
I personally approve of plenty of whip cracking at EGTL... Its necessary and will make the difference.
EG-TL is really loaded, I thought coach Park didn't want to be coach anymore, if he doesn't even want to stay in SKT. They must pays him a lot of money to change his mind.
What does this change within the EGTL organisation?
What should we expect to see from the players, given the new coach?
Will the guy come out whipping stuff up and forcing proper practice and a korean regiment? Wouldn't this be bad for the players who are used to a "more laid back (albeit not overly)" style of training.
I personally approve of plenty of whip cracking at EGTL... Its necessary and will make the difference.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
On March 14 2013 09:49 Krogan wrote: Well a kepsa team has around 20 players on the team, EG-TL will need those numbers to compete as well.
No team has that many active players.
Uh unless I am mistaken they have quiet a few players might not be 20 but close to it. They have quiet a few B teamers that most people don't know about because they aren't good enough to be known.
On March 14 2013 09:49 Krogan wrote: Well a kepsa team has around 20 players on the team, EG-TL will need those numbers to compete as well.
No team has that many active players.
They may not have as much as their peak in BW but I suspect that they do have at least a dozen or so b teamers to practice and grind out scenarios with. I wonder if EGTL will pick up some b teamers as well.
On March 14 2013 09:49 Krogan wrote: Well a kepsa team has around 20 players on the team, EG-TL will need those numbers to compete as well.
No team has that many active players.
Uh unless I am mistaken they have quiet a few players might not be 20 but close to it. They have quiet a few B teamers that most people don't know about because they aren't good enough to be known.
Yup, not quite 20, but close to it. Simply way more than EG-TL and more than "enough" to mix things up a bit.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
this would be like the perfect, "worst case" analogy (it hinges on whether or not you really believe if EG-TL lacks in talent, or if they're just not playing up to their potential in PL)
still, if EG-TL finished in the knockout round of PL (is that the EU/WC Ro8 equiv?), I think many people would consider that a success
it's not like England where people are disappointed when they don't win the entire thing
nah team England has never been good enough for any tournament semis since 1996, let alone winning. Come to think of it, in every single tournament from 1998 onward, there were always 4,5 teams that had better players, depth, synergy, strategy and coaching lol. The overwhelming popularity of the Premier League doesnt mean team England has to be good
On March 14 2013 09:49 Krogan wrote: Well a kepsa team has around 20 players on the team, EG-TL will need those numbers to compete as well.
No team has that many active players.
Uh unless I am mistaken they have quiet a few players might not be 20 but close to it. They have quiet a few B teamers that most people don't know about because they aren't good enough to be known.
Yeah, but they don't actually play. I'm pretty sure that EGTL isn't so lacking in practice partners that that's what's making the big difference.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
this would be like the perfect, "worst case" analogy (it hinges on whether or not you really believe if EG-TL lacks in talent, or if they're just not playing up to their potential in PL)
still, if EG-TL finished in the knockout round of PL (is that the EU/WC Ro8 equiv?), I think many people would consider that a success
it's not like England where people are disappointed when they don't win the entire thing
nah team England has never been good enough for any tournament semis since 1996, let alone winning. Come to think of it, in every single tournament from 1998 onward, there were always 4,5 teams that had better players, depth, synergy, strategy and coaching lol. The overwhelming popularity of the Premier League doesnt mean team England has to be good
yeh but I recall that ppl expected capello to do more for them? or better than Ro8 or whatever they made that one time
On March 13 2013 23:44 Ketch wrote: quoted from Park: "Also, the way they approach games is a bit different from Koreans, so I would like to analyze that difference and find exactly why Koreans become top-class gamers."
Translation: a really nice, kind way of saying "find out what foreigners are doing wrong." It'll be cool to see if he develops a hybrid approach or if he ends up fully going back to the Korean team style of training.
On March 14 2013 09:49 Krogan wrote: Well a kepsa team has around 20 players on the team, EG-TL will need those numbers to compete as well.
No team has that many active players.
I'd guess practice partners aren't active players anyway? Not that I know anything about it but I'd guess telling HerO to help Jeadong counter an Immortal/Sentry all-in would take away time from HerOs practice, no? Not as much in a single player league like GSL, but in a team league?
On March 14 2013 11:07 LighT. wrote: I wonder though..out of all of this.. Does this mean he'll make JD the designated Ace or they'll stick with a rotation of Taeja/Stephano/Hero/JD
Well for ace they have put JYP/taeja/hero as the main ones. Jaedong has yet to play in an ace for egtl and I don't think stephano has either.
WTF.......I thought park was going to work behind the SK planet scene. I guess Park never really wanted to retire as a coach, but was rather pushed out.
On March 14 2013 11:22 BreakerD wrote: WTF.......I thought park was going to work behind the SK planet scene. I guess Park never really wanted to retire as a coach, but was rather pushed out.
I was saying this million times during his last season in SKT T1. In a hybrid BW/SC II league coach Park was doing bad and I predicted team owners to fire him and make it sound like retirement. Park is one of the best if not the best BW coach but just like Bisu he was only a big name in a new game struggling badly Maybe HoTs can give a new start to Park cuz every1 will have to start over.
On March 14 2013 09:49 soulist wrote: I wonder who EGTL are going to pick up.......
Probably a bunch of b-teamers recommended by Coach Park. They need training dummies,
Also while dropping all this cash you think it would be possible to have a actual uniform instead of a t-shirt and jeans
Please don't call them training dummies. These partners you speak of are actually pretty good. I do agree with you on wearing the proper attire.
On March 14 2013 11:23 Kimaker wrote: BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
SKT fanboys, I love it! Send me more of your sorrows!
(seriously though, fucking rough draw guys. I'm with you on this one, GL SKT.)
Don't be a dick.
On March 14 2013 11:07 LighT. wrote: I wonder though..out of all of this.. Does this mean he'll make JD the designated Ace or they'll stick with a rotation of Taeja/Stephano/Hero/JD
There was nothing wrong with the rotation before and HotS is brand new game so let everyone adjust and get a fresh start,
On March 14 2013 09:49 Krogan wrote: Well a kepsa team has around 20 players on the team, EG-TL will need those numbers to compete as well.
No team has that many active players.
Uh unless I am mistaken they have quiet a few players might not be 20 but close to it. They have quiet a few B teamers that most people don't know about because they aren't good enough to be known.
Yup, not quite 20, but close to it. Simply way more than EG-TL and more than "enough" to mix things up a bit.
the team with the most players (SKT1 coincidentally) sent out 11 players during this season. only 1 more than EG-TL
a lot of these guys are on the team but don't see much play like SKT1_ReQuiem or Mercury.
it's nice to have depth though. EG-TL could add a couple guys who could step in and play right now. Oz is teamless.
seeing SKT1 without Coach Park will be sad, though.
I dunno if Park was as much of an asset to SKT's coaching team as people in this thread seem to think. They've always had absolutely incredible 'secondary' coaches that helped individual players and development of strategies in Oov (lol, oov secondary xP) and Dr. K; and in general coaching as what you'd associate with Park was never SKT's strong side, IMO. During the last BW season in particular a lot of SKT's line-up decisions and such was extremely questionable and really the reason they won that season was because Fantasy was being an absolute beast and Bisu pulled through where it mattered the most, not because of Park's coaching. (unless we assume that Fantasy was doing as well as he was because of Park but really that'd be quite an assumption...).
They have Boxer now who is without any doubt an excellent motivator and their race coaches aren't going anywhere, so I don't think it's going to be a very noticeable change for SKT. If anything, it might freshen things up a little.
On March 14 2013 12:10 Shinespark wrote: Huge news. I actually can't believe the guy didn't have a job before.
Also: dat EG money
Imagine if EG payed its players on commision. Like If you have so many wins in proleague you get this money, just a little more incentive to train for proleague.
On March 14 2013 12:28 Salazarz wrote: I dunno if Park was as much of an asset to SKT's coaching team as people in this thread seem to think. They've always had absolutely incredible 'secondary' coaches that helped individual players and development of strategies in Oov (lol, oov secondary xP) and Dr. K; and in general coaching as what you'd associate with Park was never SKT's strong side, IMO. During the last BW season in particular a lot of SKT's line-up decisions and such was extremely questionable and really the reason they won that season was because Fantasy was being an absolute beast and Bisu pulled through where it mattered the most, not because of Park's coaching. (unless we assume that Fantasy was doing as well as he was because of Park but really that'd be quite an assumption...).
They have Boxer now who is without any doubt an excellent motivator and their race coaches aren't going anywhere, so I don't think it's going to be a very noticeable change for SKT. If anything, it might freshen things up a little.
You are missing the entire point of a head coach. The head coach is responsible for making sure everyone does their shit, and do them effciently, effectively, and professionally. He's there to give insight on how other teams work, as well network with other teams and esport entities.
On March 14 2013 06:35 Irre wrote: man EG has a ton of money. I hope they get some unknown korean practice beasts. I think the coach with a 3 more great korean mechanical players in the house would get them to see better players/ better results. I doubt a coach who has to fight with management about exposure vs practice/preparation time will be able to by himself turn around the team. but will be interesting
also...FXO did it right..should have just followed that model from the start. I bet FXO would have tore apart pro league
FXO and EGTL's model isn't quite the same though. FXO effectively bought fOu, the entire team, coaches, and the whole infrastructure that the team had already had in place. Even then, it took them roughly a year before they won GSTL. I think the equivalent would be something like EG buying STX or something and annexing all the players into the EG team.
FXO's initial foray into Korea is more similar to the EGTL model, when they sent their team to Korea, but prior to when they acquired fOu. It was a team of foreigners plus Oz and Moonan (IIRC). They were the laughingstock of GSTL, and save for qxc's miraculous allkill of IM, it was an absymal showing for FXO. This is very similar to what TL did for GSTL, and what EGTL did for PL. Not the best results by any means, but then again, this model was basically moving a foreign team onto Korean soil and hope to overcome the odds (culture-shock, the difficulties of setting up a team infrastructure, etc), while tackling the Korean big leagues against the Korean teams on their home turf.
The comparison to FXO before we aquired fou and EGTL is pretty spot on in my opinion, the difference being we didn't go there with any expectations of winning other than learning how the koreans do it, even after our origional players left I continued to learn and adapt and thats what turned us into a championship team. However the biggest difference I feel that no one is really commenting on is that for a team to work effectively it requires the co-operation of both the players and the coach, a coach is nothing if the players refuse to do what they say, and players are nothing if they do not accept the coach's guidance. There was issues when we were in korea withour old team with what I feel are very similar problems based on what i've heard/seen due to the cultural divide between coach/players and the different expectations between them both. So I am hesitant about this move because if there was a fundamental issue between the relationships, a new coach wont fix these because korean culture is likely the issue with most players.
This is where one of the fundamental problems arises in this situation, even after we aquired fou it took us over a year of tuning and changes until we found the best way to run things. However the basis of expectations of EGTL are the crutch of the matter which only causes more pressure, and it needs to be a cohesive unit moving forward. and if the underlying issues arent resolved they will just resurface with coach park too.
On March 14 2013 06:35 Irre wrote: man EG has a ton of money. I hope they get some unknown korean practice beasts. I think the coach with a 3 more great korean mechanical players in the house would get them to see better players/ better results. I doubt a coach who has to fight with management about exposure vs practice/preparation time will be able to by himself turn around the team. but will be interesting
also...FXO did it right..should have just followed that model from the start. I bet FXO would have tore apart pro league
FXO and EGTL's model isn't quite the same though. FXO effectively bought fOu, the entire team, coaches, and the whole infrastructure that the team had already had in place. Even then, it took them roughly a year before they won GSTL. I think the equivalent would be something like EG buying STX or something and annexing all the players into the EG team.
FXO's initial foray into Korea is more similar to the EGTL model, when they sent their team to Korea, but prior to when they acquired fOu. It was a team of foreigners plus Oz and Moonan (IIRC). They were the laughingstock of GSTL, and save for qxc's miraculous allkill of IM, it was an absymal showing for FXO. This is very similar to what TL did for GSTL, and what EGTL did for PL. Not the best results by any means, but then again, this model was basically moving a foreign team onto Korean soil and hope to overcome the odds (culture-shock, the difficulties of setting up a team infrastructure, etc), while tackling the Korean big leagues against the Korean teams on their home turf.
The comparison to FXO before we aquired fou and EGTL is pretty spot on in my opinion, the difference being we didn't go there with any expectations of winning other than learning how the koreans do it, even after our origional players left I continued to learn and adapt and thats what turned us into a championship team. However the biggest difference I feel that no one is really commenting on is that for a team to work effectively it requires the co-operation of both the players and the coach, a coach is nothing if the players refuse to do what they say, and players are nothing if they do not accept the coach's guidance. There was issues when we were in korea withour old team with what I feel are very similar problems based on what i've heard/seen due to the cultural divide between coach/players and the different expectations between them both. So I am hesitant about this move because if there was a fundamental issue between the relationships, a new coach wont fix these because korean culture is likely the issue with most players.
This is where one of the fundamental problems arises in this situation, even after we aquired fou it took us over a year of tuning and changes until we found the best way to run things. However the basis of expectations of EGTL are the crutch of the matter which only causes more pressure, and it needs to be a cohesive unit moving forward. and if the underlying issues arent resolved they will just resurface with coach park too.
Yup and unfortunately there are a lot of players who don't like buying into the system like I alluded to even with training houses like the MoW. Players like to self-discover shit themselves and talk amongst their peers when they cannot come to term with something. I think the greatest feature we have in HotS is the fact we can go back and play out those scenarios. Something I always wanted back in Brood War instead of bringing in map designers. Anyway the complexion of every team is very different from the next as well as the culture and mandate of the teams. There are a lot of differences, which many people overlook unfortunately.
On March 14 2013 13:16 EleanorRIgby wrote: now they really have no excuses, i still think they wont be a top 3 team but they might just be able to make play offs.
There were no excuses to begin with rofl. -_- I'll repeat what I said earlier. This scene has incredibly ridiculous expectations when it comes to teams like TL and EG. Their win column to you might not be up to snuff but when you look at the individual players those numbers are right around where they should be from the small sample size we have.
On March 14 2013 01:45 StevenWang wrote: I think its a waste of money and investment in my honest opinion. But, nonetheless, good luck. I doubt we'll see in change in play.
yeah i think so too, players' skill level aren't that high and they pretty much reached their ceiling. Good luck nonetheless
Have you read anything ever on skill and expertise? There's no such thing as a limitation on skill. It's about practice. Virtuosi put in the time, they aren't born magically better than their peers.
What you probably meant to say is, all of the players on EG stand to benefit from better (real) coaching if they're willing put in the work, which I think at least some of them are.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
This post sounds about right. I've saved the quote for later, just in case.
Subtle implications that Trot was letting the team down. I hope for the sake of results, this new coach actually is a little more strict and can harness the potential of the players a little more.
On March 14 2013 04:10 jinorazi wrote: coach park, guus hiddink of foreigners :D
he will take egtl to ro4
o my GOD this is hilarious! A while back someone compared EGTL to Team England, now they are literally following the same story trajectory:
Step 1: Assemble a crew of overhyped players and call them the Dream Team, Golden Generation, or whatever Step 2: Watch them underperform as they fail to gel as a team and get beaten by "inferior" teams which are in reality considerably more talented than they've been credit for. Step 3: Fire (or demote) your coach and hire the biggest foreign name in the business with a cabinet full of silverware Step 4: Watch as said coach achieves exactly the same results as he is frustrated by not being to impose his absolute authority over an undisciplined team, and is unable to understand or reach across a gap in cultural values
Guus Hiddink? Try "Don" Fabio Capello.
this would be like the perfect, "worst case" analogy (it hinges on whether or not you really believe if EG-TL lacks in talent, or if they're just not playing up to their potential in PL)
Both tbh. Hopefully it doesn't come to this but I can't say it would be a surprise if it did
still, if EG-TL finished in the knockout round of PL (is that the EU/WC Ro8 equiv?), I think many people would consider that a success
That would not just be a success that would be a certified miracle.
it's not like England where people are disappointed when they don't win the entire thing
I think they'd consider it a triumph just getting to a semifinals at this point. Unfortunately their chances of getting to the final 4 in Brazil 2014 are about as good as EGTL's...
On March 14 2013 09:49 Krogan wrote: Well a kepsa team has around 20 players on the team, EG-TL will need those numbers to compete as well.
No team has that many active players.
Uh unless I am mistaken they have quiet a few players might not be 20 but close to it. They have quiet a few B teamers that most people don't know about because they aren't good enough to be known.
They used to have about that amount of players I think. But I don't know if they have anymore: do they still have the A, B and C teams? They used to have a proleague only for the B-teamers (dreamleague).
Wow, this is a really smart pick-up. EG now showing that not only they have the money but also the right direction now. I expect some immense long term improvements if they stick with him.
I wonder how much Coach Park can achieve. He is a very established coach and the players of EG-TL do have the potential, however EG-TL severely lacks a deep rooster of practice partners....
That guy always seemed so phony to me....... and like others said, it's not that hard to be a coach when your 'helpers' are boxer and oov, one of the strongest strategic minds in SC's history.
On March 14 2013 19:42 niteReloaded wrote: That guy always seemed so phony to me....... and like others said, it's not that hard to be a coach when your 'helpers' are boxer and oov, one of the strongest strategic minds in SC's history.
On March 14 2013 19:42 niteReloaded wrote: That guy always seemed so phony to me....... and like others said, it's not that hard to be a coach when your 'helpers' are boxer and oov, one of the strongest strategic minds in SC's history.
Boxer and Oov share the same mind?!
I would imagine both of their opinions together create a supermind <3
Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
I just hope he doesn't ignore developing the non-Koreans in the team.
On March 14 2013 14:41 hp.Shell wrote: Coach Park, my favorite coach! Lead the foreigners to Victory!
To be honest, EG TL has a 90% Korean line up oO
EGTL has 20 players in total, 7 are in fact from Korea, yeah that's definitely a 90% Korean line up.
Think before typing! Of course they have mostly foreigners but surprisingly most of these are not in Korea atm. Only Thorzain is in Korea, I'm not sure about Stephano returning (didn't sound like that in the interviews).
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On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I think it will give the players some new hope and motivation. Also he might stop fielding Puma, which would help a bit
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
I just hope he doesn't ignore developing the non-Koreans in the team.
The only thing stopping them is themselves. Not because they don't have proper guidance or people to look up to. You either want it or you don't.
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
I just hope he doesn't ignore developing the non-Koreans in the team.
The only thing stopping them is themselves. Not because they don't have proper guidance or people to look up to. You either want it or you don't.
That´s like saying depressed people don´t want enough to feel good.
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
I just hope he doesn't ignore developing the non-Koreans in the team.
The only thing stopping them is themselves. Not because they don't have proper guidance or people to look up to. You either want it or you don't.
That´s like saying depressed people don´t want enough to feel good.
In some indirect way that's true though. That + not knowing how to establish/maintain it. It's definitely a mix of all those things. Sometimes people are depressed eventhough they already have a lot of good in their life. That's because they don't want to feel good enough/don't know how to balance it properly. Humans have a tendency to contradict themselves. It's like this: YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL --> back to demotivation/depression and feeding that cycle. What people desire fluctuates on a consistent basis.
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
Yeah, just like when Jaedong brought his godly powers to carry the team... oh wait.
Park is signed because he's Park - he's a big name, has lots of history behind him and carries a lot of weight, and it gives foreign fans something to hope for and talk and get hyped about. Exactly like when they entered Proleague or signed Jaedong.
Nothing substantial in terms of effort, performance or results is going to change. Hell, Park himself took a step down in SKT because he wanted to spend more time with his family. I'm sure he doesn't mind cashing in on some western money on the side though.
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
I just hope he doesn't ignore developing the non-Koreans in the team.
The only thing stopping them is themselves. Not because they don't have proper guidance or people to look up to. You either want it or you don't.
That´s like saying depressed people don´t want enough to feel good.
In some indirect way that's true though. That + not knowing how to establish/maintain it. It's definitely a mix of all those things. Sometimes people are depressed eventhough they already have a lot of good in their life. That's because they don't want to feel good enough/don't know how to balance it properly. Humans have a tendency to contradict themselves. It's like this: YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL --> back to demotivation/depression and feeding that cycle. What people desire fluctuates on a consistent basis.
You're an idiot depression is a mental illness
I guess people with broken arms just don't want to have working arms enough
On March 14 2013 19:42 niteReloaded wrote: That guy always seemed so phony to me....... and like others said, it's not that hard to be a coach when your 'helpers' are boxer and oov, one of the strongest strategic minds in SC's history.
This must be what the mindmindmind song is about then.
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
I just hope he doesn't ignore developing the non-Koreans in the team.
The only thing stopping them is themselves. Not because they don't have proper guidance or people to look up to. You either want it or you don't.
That´s like saying depressed people don´t want enough to feel good.
In some indirect way that's true though. That + not knowing how to establish/maintain it. It's definitely a mix of all those things. Sometimes people are depressed eventhough they already have a lot of good in their life. That's because they don't want to feel good enough/don't know how to balance it properly. Humans have a tendency to contradict themselves. It's like this: YOU CANT HAVE IT ALL --> back to demotivation/depression and feeding that cycle. What people desire fluctuates on a consistent basis.
I'm so glad we have you, random internet poster, to disprove all these working theories based on cognitive neuroscience proven wrong because humans don't "know how to balance" themselves properly.
On March 15 2013 03:27 Sc2Null wrote: A coach cannot make up for lack of skill unfortunately
hahahahahahaahahah. Your right jaedong/stephano/taeja/hero are just fucking awful players with absolutely no skill. Wait no your just kind of stupid to even think that.
Like wow eg/tl have strong rosters with strong talented players the fact you even think this is just makes you look so dumb -_-.
On March 15 2013 03:27 Sc2Null wrote: A coach cannot make up for lack of skill unfortunately
hahahahahahaahahah. Your right jaedong/stephano/taeja/hero are just fucking awful players with absolutely no skill. Wait no your just kind of stupid to even think that.
Like wow eg/tl have strong rosters with strong talented players the fact you even think this is just makes you look so dumb -_-.
Have you ever been so mad that you remove every comma from your sentences? Yes. Yes, you have.
On March 15 2013 03:27 Sc2Null wrote: A coach cannot make up for lack of skill unfortunately
hahahahahahaahahah. Your right jaedong/stephano/taeja/hero are just fucking awful players with absolutely no skill. Wait no your just kind of stupid to even think that.
Like wow eg/tl have strong rosters with strong talented players the fact you even think this is just makes you look so dumb -_-.
first off, your rage just makes YOU look stupid. Look at EG-TL record in proleague, abysmal. These players you mentioned may be strong individually, but it means nothing if you can't win your match. Having a new coach doesn't suddenly make your players better and I believe this is just apart of the "commercialism" of the EG model. You know the major announcement of the "unholy alliance" and how it will wreck the face of the kespa proleague players? yeah..me either
On March 14 2013 20:04 Yello wrote: Well, I don't think this will change anything for EG-TL in the near future, besides getting a surprising amount of people hyped for the team again.
If this coach can do anything at all then only after months of work. The team won't suddenly change from worst to best proleague team just because they got a new coach.
This feels a lot like European football to me: the team doesn't win -> hire a new coach Sometimes that helps but it doesn't immediately change everything and people shouldn't expect that.
I agree but you have to admit, having an authority figure set a strict practice regimen that's up to SKT1 standards will definitely do this team some good.
I just hope he doesn't ignore developing the non-Koreans in the team.
The only thing stopping them is themselves. Not because they don't have proper guidance or people to look up to. You either want it or you don't.
That´s like saying depressed people don´t want enough to feel good.
Considering I've suffered from depression for over a decade and been hospitalized in the past. Guess what bucko? A lot of those people in the clinic spoke about making that first step and that's why they were there. They realized they needed help and you cannot help someone who doesn't want help. I'll speak for myself when I say I was completely numb to everything and I didn't know what it felt like to be happy at all. In the same way, for a player to succeed they have to want to succeed. These guys climbed the mountain top and walked back down. The have to find that hunger to climb the next mountain and hopefully have enough air to stay there for a while.
On March 15 2013 03:27 Sc2Null wrote: A coach cannot make up for lack of skill unfortunately
hahahahahahaahahah. Your right jaedong/stephano/taeja/hero are just fucking awful players with absolutely no skill. Wait no your just kind of stupid to even think that.
Like wow eg/tl have strong rosters with strong talented players the fact you even think this is just makes you look so dumb -_-.
first off, your rage just makes YOU look stupid. Look at EG-TL record in proleague, abysmal. These players you mentioned may be strong individually, but it means nothing if you can't win your match. Having a new coach doesn't suddenly make your players better and I believe this is just apart of the "commercialism" of the EG model. You know the major announcement of the "unholy alliance" and how it will wreck the face of the kespa proleague players? yeah..me either
Their individual records aren't really that bad though from the samples we have. I certainly don't think they needed a coaching change either and I do think this is there way of telling their fans. "Hey guys, we're working on it." When in reality, these players stay the course with HotS and these numbers stay relatively similar (which I would expect and maybe two guys get on a hot streak) and you'd see a few more wins as a group. Ideally the situation would have corrected itself in time. People can blast the other Park all they want for the order he sends out but it really is no different from all the other flak coaches receive. It's only heightened because it's EG/TL & unfortunately they find themselves at the bottom of the round. It's very rare to see any type of lynch in PL.
I don't know if a coach can turn things around within a few months. I wonder if EG thought they would 'easily' get to the play-offs, so they didn't need the Korean infrastructure so much. Because obviously, if they had Coach Park from the start it would have been a lot better.
On March 15 2013 06:11 tadL wrote: Time will tell. But this move is so "Real Sport". Something is wrong, players kind of suck so conclusion -> New Coach!
Well from the samples we got at least a couple do have the skill to play individual league yet somehow fail in proleague. This looks like something more internal/mental rather then the players sucking.
On March 15 2013 06:11 tadL wrote: Time will tell. But this move is so "Real Sport". Something is wrong, players kind of suck so conclusion -> New Coach!
Well from the samples we got at least a couple do have the skill to play individual league yet somehow fail in proleague. This looks like something more internal/mental rather then the players sucking.
I agree, while players have some responsibility in the lack of EGTL's success, I think the coaches could of been doing a much better job. Replacing the coach is a step in the right direction. They were key mistakes constantly, such as bad lineups and sending players on completely wrong maps. Plus, coaches are responsible for supervising players, they have to make sure that the players will be ready for their maps, and if they are slacking players need to be cut from the lineup. Sure there are interleague conflicts but no player aside from Taeja has been consistently busy with GSL yet it feels like the players have just been doing whatever, with no regards to the map or their opponent. Playing the matchup IS NOT how you play Proleague and it's the Coach's responsibility to make the players understand that.
On March 15 2013 03:27 Sc2Null wrote: A coach cannot make up for lack of skill unfortunately
hahahahahahaahahah. Your right jaedong/stephano/taeja/hero are just fucking awful players with absolutely no skill. Wait no your just kind of stupid to even think that.
Like wow eg/tl have strong rosters with strong talented players the fact you even think this is just makes you look so dumb -_-.
first off, your rage just makes YOU look stupid. Look at EG-TL record in proleague, abysmal. These players you mentioned may be strong individually, but it means nothing if you can't win your match. Having a new coach doesn't suddenly make your players better and I believe this is just apart of the "commercialism" of the EG model. You know the major announcement of the "unholy alliance" and how it will wreck the face of the kespa proleague players? yeah..me either
Is this post for real.....? You honestly think a top-tier coach won't help at all? Your reasoning doesn't even make sense
I am really looking forward to see what the new coach can do, and I hope he gains some insights into the exact differences between Korean and Foreigner training, and then writes a good article about it. But I think this decision comes to late to be meaningful for the success of the team, the head start coming from the individual class of the EG-TL players is used up, current KESPA pros are almost on the same level as the ESF players, and HotS will make the difference even smaller or maybe even reverse it. I hope the players improve with the new coach and prove me wrong, though.
In order to gain training time per day,I must manage my player's streaming time efficiently the first. The time is KST am 10~12.(regularly)
Coach Park already tightening the ropes on his new ship, looking good. I'm excited to see how much little changes like this will affect the team (for the better).
In order to gain training time per day,I must manage my player's streaming time efficiently the first. The time is KST am 10~12.(regularly)
Coach Park already tightening the ropes on his new ship, looking good. I'm excited to see how much little changes like this will affect the team (for the better).
Well I wouldn't let them stream at all, there are obviously 5 b teamers from other teams watching their stream, analyzing their play and then allowing their a teamers to rofl stomps eg-tl in proleague. But 2 hours per day is probably the best deal you are gonna get with eg... Nice to see Coach Park knows what he is doing though.
On March 15 2013 03:27 Sc2Null wrote: A coach cannot make up for lack of skill unfortunately
hahahahahahaahahah. Your right jaedong/stephano/taeja/hero are just fucking awful players with absolutely no skill. Wait no your just kind of stupid to even think that.
Like wow eg/tl have strong rosters with strong talented players the fact you even think this is just makes you look so dumb -_-.
first off, your rage just makes YOU look stupid. Look at EG-TL record in proleague, abysmal. These players you mentioned may be strong individually, but it means nothing if you can't win your match. Having a new coach doesn't suddenly make your players better and I believe this is just apart of the "commercialism" of the EG model. You know the major announcement of the "unholy alliance" and how it will wreck the face of the kespa proleague players? yeah..me either
Is this post for real.....? You honestly think a top-tier coach won't help at all? Your reasoning doesn't even make sense
Of course having a top-tier coach will probably help boost EGTL's results, but I think the guy you were replying to meant that just having a new coach doesn't necessarily mean that EGTL is suddenly going to go on a winning streak. It might take a while for the changes that Park implements to kick in and translate into results.
People might also be getting overly optimistic again. In SKT, Park became coach of a team with a very developed training infrastructure and organization, while with EGTL he will have to reform/create the infrastructure himself. EGTL is definitely not going to perform anywhere close to how well SKT performs, short of an absolute miracle.
Furthermore, EGTL has always been about hype and falling short of expectations. The initial announcement, the arrival of Stephano, etc.
In order to gain training time per day,I must manage my player's streaming time efficiently the first. The time is KST am 10~12.(regularly)
Coach Park already tightening the ropes on his new ship, looking good. I'm excited to see how much little changes like this will affect the team (for the better).
Haha, I'm curious if we will ever see any foreigner besides HuK go to Korea to train with this new coach. Looking forward to see if Demuslim or Idra ever make it over there, and if Stephano, Thorzain, or TLO decide to ever go back. Specially interested in TLO since he seems to be all about making maintaining and following a strict schedule.
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