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On March 07 2013 22:36 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 22:33 vthree wrote:On March 07 2013 22:20 Elroi wrote:On March 07 2013 21:00 StarVe wrote:
At least now we have an article to link to morons who believe TL writers were simply biased in the Round 1 preview and no one with a clear mind would have thought that EGTL would do well. I think at one point you could swich two teams on the PL ranking and you would have the exact opposit of his preview ranking of the teams. That is incredibly inaccurate. And it is not only that, Fionn (and other TL writers as well) consistantly predicts that the kespa players will lose (and they are consistantly wrong). I recomend that they watch some more of PL. I think it is at this point the most competitive league in the world. Actually, getting the predictions completely wrong is kind of a trait with TL writers (the TL writer's curse). It has nothing to do with Kespa or not. It happened quite a bit before Kespa players switched. For example, the last preview was group E in the U&D, they predict the three kespa players as the worst in the group and they end up in the spots 1-3. Coincidence?
I am trying to point out that they did that when it was 6 eSF players as well. Maru was picked 5th in his group as well. And in the last U&D, they had Kespa players in the top 2 and yet they didn't make it.
They also famously wrote that Mvp shouldn't tarnish his image by going to IEM and Mvp ended up introducing a new meta (hellion/banshee) and winning the whole thing.
As a Kespa fan, you should be happy that they are ranking Kespa players that low, because the ones on the bottom usually comes out on top. Artosis already took down Rain and Bogus, do you want other Kespa players to be cursed as well?
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I don't think many people expected EG-TL to get a top-4 ranking at all.
EG and TL are teams with a lot of cloud, they're teams in the spotlight but the truth is that many of their players are average at best, the fact that they're now competing with the best of the world and get a 7-14 score is impressive to me, I think it's a major step for both teams and maybe for foreigners as a whole.
EG-TL is a combination team with a lot of talent and skill as it features the best of both EG and TL but expecting them to dominate is unrealistic. I don't think this is worth a thread, as far as I know they're not even the worst team, they just have a negative winrate... korean teams are good, that's not news.
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On March 07 2013 21:34 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 07 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
that article was probably less incorrect than the one intrigue wrote about elephants~ Kespa already has 13 spots in Code S. And the article said they would have pretty much every spot in Code S within 3-4 months.
considering what they have achieved now, the elephant article could very well have come true had Kespa switched right at the time of the article release, when the esf players haven't matured as much
EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now
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Sure looks very small in that seat
Edit: wring thread plz ignore
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On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 21:34 vthree wrote:On March 07 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 07 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
that article was probably less incorrect than the one intrigue wrote about elephants~ Kespa already has 13 spots in Code S. And the article said they would have pretty much every spot in Code S within 3-4 months. considering what they have achieved now, the elephant article could very well have come true had Kespa switched right at the time of the article release, when the esf players haven't matured as much EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now
No, the elephant article was stupid because Kespa WEREN'T switching. So basically the author just went on this SC2 pro bashing ramble which could never be proved nor disproved and it just created a divide between Kespa fans and eSF fans. Like you pointed out, since Kespa switched a year later, the SC2 landscape was different. So nothing can be proven.
And having Kespa teams actually pick up eSF players like PartinG for a significant salary shows that eSF players aren't innately less talented in RTS. Which was what the article was trying to say. Also, having Roro in the GSL finals when players like JD, Bisu, Stork are still struggling doesn't help the article either.
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Calm down idra going there soon to dominate the league
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Everyone just underestimated how fast the Kespa teams would improve.
Seeing now that they break into Code S convincingly it seems that Kespa A-teamers mechanics translate very well to SC2.
I for one love that they are pushing SC2 forward. Watching Proleague has been a blast and I can only hope that we will soon see ESF and Kespa teams in the same teamleague.
Also I don't believe EG-TL practices under nearly optimal conditions. This can't just be a case of Kespa player skill.
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On March 07 2013 23:31 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:
EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now What significance that article had, except for pissing off a whole lot of people?
The article at the time just pissed people off. The article was a bit too early, it should come out right about now or maybe in a couple of months.
But it had it points and today the people laughing at that article isn't laughing nearly as much looking at EG-TL in Proleague and the rise of Kespa players breaking into Code S. The hype article putting EG-TL as favourite to win the Proleague is much more laughable in retrospective.
Totally underestimating Kespa teams talent, discipline and practice regime.
Give it 6 more months and I would be surprised if there are any but Kespa A-teamers completely dominating every league.
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Stephano looks like a really weird transvestite ^____^
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On March 07 2013 23:44 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:31 Inori wrote:On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:
EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now What significance that article had, except for pissing off a whole lot of people? The article at the time just pissed people off. The article was a bit too early, it should come out right about now or maybe in a couple of months. But it had it points and today the people laughing at that article isn't laughing nearly as much looking at EG-TL in Proleague and the rise of Kespa players breaking into Code S. The hype article putting EG-TL as favourite to win the Proleague is much more laughable in retrospective. Totally underestimating Kespa teams talent, discipline and practice regime. Give it 6 more months and I would be surprised if there are any but Kespa A-teamers completely dominating every league.
That article should never have been made, not even now. All it did was create a barrier between fans of the current ESF players and fans of the Kespa players. There already was a barrier but all this gave was ammunition for both sides.
Now why i like some of the Kespa players gameplay i cannot root for them simply cause of the annoying elephant crap going on.
Oh how i wished TL would simply ban all that nonsense when HoTS comes out so all this crap is at least limited but we all know they won't 
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On March 07 2013 23:44 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:31 Inori wrote:On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:
EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now What significance that article had, except for pissing off a whole lot of people? The article at the time just pissed people off. The article was a bit too early, it should come out right about now or maybe in a couple of months. But it had it points and today the people laughing at that article isn't laughing nearly as much looking at EG-TL in Proleague and the rise of Kespa players breaking into Code S. The hype article putting EG-TL as favourite to win the Proleague is much more laughable in retrospective. Totally underestimating Kespa teams talent, discipline and practice regime. Give it 6 more months and I would be surprised if there are any but Kespa A-teamers completely dominating every league.
I think i had read that somewhere else.... almost a year ago.
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On March 07 2013 23:50 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:44 papaz wrote:On March 07 2013 23:31 Inori wrote:On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:
EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now What significance that article had, except for pissing off a whole lot of people? The article at the time just pissed people off. The article was a bit too early, it should come out right about now or maybe in a couple of months. But it had it points and today the people laughing at that article isn't laughing nearly as much looking at EG-TL in Proleague and the rise of Kespa players breaking into Code S. The hype article putting EG-TL as favourite to win the Proleague is much more laughable in retrospective. Totally underestimating Kespa teams talent, discipline and practice regime. Give it 6 more months and I would be surprised if there are any but Kespa A-teamers completely dominating every league. That article should never have been made, not even now. All it did was create a barrier between fans of the current ESF players and fans of the Kespa players. There already was a barrier but all this gave was ammunition for both sides. Now why i like some of the Kespa players gameplay i cannot root for them simply cause of the annoying elephant crap going on. Oh how i wished TL would simply ban all that nonsense when HoTS comes out so all this crap is at least limited but we all know they won't
if you can't root for a player because there is crap surrounding him it's just laughable.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On March 07 2013 23:44 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:31 Inori wrote:On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:
EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now What significance that article had, except for pissing off a whole lot of people? The article at the time just pissed people off. The article was a bit too early, it should come out right about now or maybe in a couple of months. But it had it points and today the people laughing at that article isn't laughing nearly as much looking at EG-TL in Proleague and the rise of Kespa players breaking into Code S. The hype article putting EG-TL as favourite to win the Proleague is much more laughable in retrospective. Totally underestimating Kespa teams talent, discipline and practice regime. Give it 6 more months and I would be surprised if there are any but Kespa A-teamers completely dominating every league.
Complete nonsense based on what we've seen thus far. Some of the top top Kespa players doing mediocre, some of the previously mediocre are shining.
A hell of a lot of ESF players were also part Kespa-trained, imo some DON'T benefit from their particular practice regimes, and have flourished elsewhere.
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On March 07 2013 21:34 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 07 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
that article was probably less incorrect than the one intrigue wrote about elephants~ Kespa already has 13 spots in Code S. And the article said they would have pretty much every spot in Code S within 3-4 months.
Not just code S, mind you. The article pretty much expected eSF players to dissapear from the map, with up to 300 KeSPA players ready to take over the competition.
Oh god.. Dat article
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Stephano only player in the team with a winning record at this point! Cripes! The others need to step it up.
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France13023 Posts
On March 07 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
that article was probably less incorrect than the one intrigue wrote about elephants~ Kespa already has 13 spots in Code S.
Which isn't code S full of Kespa players after 2 months like the article implied.
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On March 07 2013 23:24 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:On March 07 2013 21:34 vthree wrote:On March 07 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On March 07 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
that article was probably less incorrect than the one intrigue wrote about elephants~ Kespa already has 13 spots in Code S. And the article said they would have pretty much every spot in Code S within 3-4 months. considering what they have achieved now, the elephant article could very well have come true had Kespa switched right at the time of the article release, when the esf players haven't matured as much EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now No, the elephant article was stupid because Kespa WEREN'T switching. So basically the author just went on this SC2 pro bashing ramble which could never be proved nor disproved and it just created a divide between Kespa fans and eSF fans. Like you pointed out, since Kespa switched a year later, the SC2 landscape was different. So nothing can be proven. And having Kespa teams actually pick up eSF players like PartinG for a significant salary shows that eSF players aren't innately less talented in RTS. Which was what the article was trying to say. Also, having Roro in the GSL finals when players like JD, Bisu, Stork are still struggling doesn't help the article either.
Ive said many times that Bisu wasnt as good during the end of Broodwar. Roro also elimnated Bisu in the last BW osl preliminaries. Elephant isnt entirely right either. Soulkey started to become S class level in BW during 2010, had he switched to SC2 during that time he would receive the same shit from BW elitists. MVP and MC might become the next Soulkey if they stayed in BW.
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On March 07 2013 23:52 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 23:50 Assirra wrote:On March 07 2013 23:44 papaz wrote:On March 07 2013 23:31 Inori wrote:On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote:
EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now What significance that article had, except for pissing off a whole lot of people? The article at the time just pissed people off. The article was a bit too early, it should come out right about now or maybe in a couple of months. But it had it points and today the people laughing at that article isn't laughing nearly as much looking at EG-TL in Proleague and the rise of Kespa players breaking into Code S. The hype article putting EG-TL as favourite to win the Proleague is much more laughable in retrospective. Totally underestimating Kespa teams talent, discipline and practice regime. Give it 6 more months and I would be surprised if there are any but Kespa A-teamers completely dominating every league. That article should never have been made, not even now. All it did was create a barrier between fans of the current ESF players and fans of the Kespa players. There already was a barrier but all this gave was ammunition for both sides. Now why i like some of the Kespa players gameplay i cannot root for them simply cause of the annoying elephant crap going on. Oh how i wished TL would simply ban all that nonsense when HoTS comes out so all this crap is at least limited but we all know they won't if you can't root for a player because there is crap surrounding him it's just laughable.
It's not him, its the obnoxious fans. Same reason i can't root for Stephano either. When said players stop winning the annoying ass fans stop.
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