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imre
France9263 Posts
On March 07 2013 23:57 Assirra wrote: It's not him, its the obnoxious fans. Same reason i can't root for Stephano either. When said players stop winning the annoying ass fans stop. no fans are annoying if you're not a fan yourself, because their arguments are pretty stupid in 99% of the cases. When there are lots of them they're just more vocals. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On March 08 2013 00:01 sAsImre wrote: no fans are annoying if you're not a fan yourself, because their arguments are pretty stupid in 99% of the cases. When there are lots of them they're just more vocals. Well excuse me if i don't want the live report thread change into google image search for elephant. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On March 07 2013 23:15 fluidin wrote: considering what they have achieved now, the elephant article could very well have come true had Kespa switched right at the time of the article release, when the esf players haven't matured as much EDIT: it just seems silly that most bashers of the elephant article do not take into context the timing of its conception and the significance it had then compared to what it has now Nope, because the article was extremely clear, and it also did so by insulting a scene which had many players which were dear to the fans. No sir, Intrigue doesn't get the benefit of having his article reinterpretated for the current times, not when it had that horrible tone. Elitist to the extreme. Add to that, the article was so severe, even in today's situation, it's STILL wrong, and very wrong. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On March 07 2013 23:56 ppshchik wrote: Ive said many times that Bisu wasnt as good during the end of Broodwar. Roro also elimnated Bisu in the last BW osl preliminaries. Elephant isnt entirely right either. Soulkey started to become S class level in BW during 2010, had he switched to SC2 during that time he would receive the same shit from BW elitists. MVP and MC might become the next Soulkey if they stayed in BW. Bisu was plenty good in team leagues... | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On the other side HerO and Taeja where known variables, both with multiple championship wins, high finishers in Code S and good performances overall in other team leagues, and those are just the aces JYP is a strong PvP player and a good PvZ specialist, Stephano a very good ZvT player and a ZvP specialist, then you had JD that displayed sparks of brilliance in ZvZ like his old BW self, and suddenly you have a good strong core, the supporting cast was never that impressive but honestly if all went well they wouldn't even need to be sent out that often. So yes, on paper the team is really good. I do believe however that the writers did hype up EG-TL too much, more caution should have been forewarned, because, as has been demonstrated in the past by the eSF teams, Korean work ethic and practice will make them champion contenders in the long run, the question was never of if, it was of when. What we have learned from this experience is to never, ever under estimate the KeSPA teams and their practice methods. This is why I believe that a change in philosophy and direction is needed for EG-TL. The team just can't base all its hopes on Taeja and/or Hero, or all its hopes on HoTS, the team is basically going all-in with this move, what the team really needs is a new, better, more rigorous more efficient practice regime that, while won't bring immediate results, will work out in the long run, and they need ALL their lineup to perform, and I do mean ALL of them, each and every one of the members of EG-TL has to pull his weight. Keep in mind the transition from WoL to HoTS is much less extreme then from BW to SC2, so at the rate KeSPA teams improve I'll give it one month at most for them to get a grip on HoTS, after which it will be the exact same situation we have now unless EG-TL changes something. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On March 07 2013 21:18 eviltomahawk wrote: Idra all-kills CJ. "When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master." "Only a master of Evil, Grack." Minigun doesnt think so. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19250 Posts
On March 07 2013 21:58 mongmong wrote: Its kinda hard to make a point with player stats. they dont all share the sample size. Huk has 2 losses but that doesnt mean he is the worst player in PL you need to have bigger sample size to determine whos the best Bisu is 1:1 this season. 50% winrate  This means that he would be a top EG-TL player. | ||
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TeslasPigeon
464 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 07 2013 22:20 Elroi wrote: I think at one point you could swich two teams on the PL ranking and you would have the exact opposit of his preview ranking of the teams. That is incredibly inaccurate. And it is not only that, Fionn (and other TL writers as well) consistantly predicts that the kespa players will lose (and they are consistantly wrong). I recomend that they watch some more of PL. I think it is at this point the most competitive league in the world. I think you should don't know what you're talking about. I have watched every Proleague game this entire season (and most of the other writers also watch Proleague regularly); if I predict a KeSPA player to lose, it's because I think he's in a worse spot than his opponent(s), not because he's KeSPA because that's a bullshit reason. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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smogg
Bulgaria167 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On March 08 2013 00:47 TeslasPigeon wrote: I think EG-TL's problem is the very weak rooster line up, I'm not referring to player skill but the amount of players. KESPA teams are up to 20 players deep (including B teamers), they are able to train for very specific circumstances and have others dedicated to breaking down players and exploiting their weaknesses. EG-TL doesn't really have this network of practice regimes that KESPA teams have established over a decade. A single coach can only do so much for a team. I don't think this is the case anymore. I read during the game switch that many of the b-teamers/trainees quit because they had devoted so much time and all for nothing when sc2 came. Some of them took the chance to make it with sc2 instead but those who didn't make it into a Proleague lineup quit too. The Starcraft divisons don't have as much cash anymore either when like every team have LoL teams now too. Some of the teams probably have a few trainees but I don't think they have a full b-team grinding their asses off every day like they used to have. I think the avarage lineup is like 10-12 players, the same as EG-TL this season. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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fluidin
Singapore1084 Posts
On March 07 2013 23:24 vthree wrote: No, the elephant article was stupid because Kespa WEREN'T switching. So basically the author just went on this SC2 pro bashing ramble which could never be proved nor disproved and it just created a divide between Kespa fans and eSF fans. Like you pointed out, since Kespa switched a year later, the SC2 landscape was different. So nothing can be proven. And having Kespa teams actually pick up eSF players like PartinG for a significant salary shows that eSF players aren't innately less talented in RTS. Which was what the article was trying to say. Also, having Roro in the GSL finals when players like JD, Bisu, Stork are still struggling doesn't help the article either. i think we had this discussion before. i reiterate my stand that there are viable points for both sides, that while the kespa players could easily have taken over, that was not to say esf players are trash. I believe some of them are amazingly talented too, but a huge difference is the way kespa teams operate and train, which will give them a huge advantage. this was shown in proleague. it is sad that both sides couldn't have just discussed the article amicably. granted, the tone of the elephant article didn't help a bit. EDIT: alright, i'm probably understating the impact the article's tone had. it was pretty insulting, i agree | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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algue
France1436 Posts
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smogg
Bulgaria167 Posts
Edit: And to further prove my point - when KT Rolster started practicing GSL maps, they dropped to 6 losses in a row in Proleague, while getting 2 players into Code S. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
Hahahaha this made me laugh so hard. | ||
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