On March 08 2013 02:58 Aveng3r wrote: Im rapidly losing interest in the pro scene, because my favorite "foreign" teams are now dominated by koreans. That picture had exactly one person who isnt korean I used to really like EG for guys like Idra, incontrol, demuslim, etc. but now chearing for them means im really just cheering for the koreans on the squad. Im becoming a bigger and bigger supporter of ROOT as I go.
Thorzain being 1-4 isn't a 25% winratio I think ? sory if that was already mentioned.
I personally expected them to be a bit better, but with the new maps that got introduced I knew round 3 would end up bad and HotS will only play in their hands if the map pool changes into a more standard one, whatever HotS standard will be.
On March 08 2013 02:58 Aveng3r wrote: Im rapidly losing interest in the pro scene, because my favorite "foreign" teams are now dominated by koreans. That picture had exactly one person who isnt korean I used to really like EG for guys like Idra, incontrol, demuslim, etc. but now chearing for them means im really just cheering for the koreans on the squad. Im becoming a bigger and bigger supporter of ROOT as I go.
But the best players on ROOT are Korean aswell.
It's hard not to use koreans in a foreign team these days. Only players like stephano and naniwa (if he can get his shit sorted) and perhaps one or two others seem to really be code s level when they're at their best.
I don't really see what the problem is. I think EGTL is doing a fantastic job of replacing Air Force ACE ( no offense ).
They don't have great results but many fans nevertheless. Also hots might change that. Oh and :
On March 08 2013 02:58 Aveng3r wrote: Im rapidly losing interest in the pro scene, because my favorite "foreign" teams are now dominated by koreans. That picture had exactly one person who isnt korean I used to really like EG for guys like Idra, incontrol, demuslim, etc. but now chearing for them means im really just cheering for the koreans on the squad. Im becoming a bigger and bigger supporter of ROOT as I go.
yeah i get you. edit : there's thorzain and stephano so that's two actually.
EG-TL is doing really poorly, but it IS just one round. Think about Samsung Khan. They were something like 1-6 after round 1, right? The same performance as EG-TL in round 3, but they bounced back pretty well. It looks really grim, but if you look at their initial performances (putting them in 4th place I believe, a playoff spot), and compare their R3 to Khan's R1, it's certainly possible to come back.
Single round performances are definitely indicators of performance, but there's a LOT of room for change with a yearlong league like SPL.
On March 08 2013 03:01 FeyFey wrote: Thorzain being 1-4 isn't a 25% winratio I think ? sory if that was already mentioned.
I personally expected them to be a bit better, but with the new maps that got introduced I knew round 3 would end up bad and HotS will only play in their hands if the map pool changes into a more standard one, whatever HotS standard will be.
1-4 means he played 5 games, of which he won one. so his winration is 20%.
As much as Jaedong gets praise from Korean and foreign fans for being Jaedong, he's been a complete liability on the team. Although between Revival who admittedly is pulling his weight and Zenio, I can see why they have to rely on Jaedong for Zerg designated matches (in the earlier rounds).
On March 08 2013 03:34 Jacmert wrote: Speaking of lack of high level Terrans to play, the OP forgot to mention Liquid'Sea retiring from SC2 as a huge setback go EG-TL
I don't want to insult Sea's BW results or his fans, but nothing in Sea's SC2 results would suggest that he would've made any difference if he had stayed in their lineup. I'm looking forward to HotS, maybe EG-TL can recover a little, though I doubt that they will be in reach of the playoffs this season unfortauntely
Probably the same people that demanded an apology from Choya for winning
can you explain the story please
I believe that was me you quoted. The story is apparently during the GSTL preseason Korean Netizens were angry at the FXO players for all inning Prime in a couple of the games to get wins instead of showing off HoTS units and Choya ended up apologizing for his team winning that way. Khaldor was pretty upset about it.
oh yeah btw my comment on the first page about kespa having 13 players in code s already was just a joke with opterown I know it's not what the article was saying
On March 08 2013 03:34 Jacmert wrote: Speaking of lack of high level Terrans to play, the OP forgot to mention Liquid'Sea retiring from SC2 as a huge setback go EG-TL
I don't want to insult Sea's BW results or his fans, but nothing in Sea's SC2 results would suggest that he would've made any difference if he had stayed in their lineup. I'm looking forward to HotS, maybe EG-TL can recover a little, though I doubt that they will be in reach of the playoffs this season unfortauntely
You forget Sea's credentials as a veteran of Proleague. Contrast this with the current EG-TL lineup: besides Jaedong and PuMa, the rest of the players on EG-TL are completely inexperienced with Proleague. Yes, they have a lot of experience in individual competitions and online team leagues/GSTL in the past 2 years, but they're in a league where a lot of players have been doing this for much much longer.
They have to not only learn how to deal with the specific pressure of competing on a televised and prestigious league, but also how to prepare, train, plan for a SINGLE game or thousands of different scenarios for an All Kill formats. And do it again and again and again for months.
Should I do this all in this game? How would that affect the other team's mentality towards my other teammates matches. If I do THIS build today, would I be able to use it the next for the other team? Would they expect that? Would they not expect that?
Almost all of these players have been training for best of multi-game series in either marathon tournaments or BO3-BO5-BO7 individual matches in GSL. Having players who can be the hyung/older brother to the other teammates and lend their knowledge and know-how is a huge asset to have.
I can't say that I believed they would be a championship contender team... KesPa players have been amazing and have all but closed the gap between themselves and the eSF players within the last year. To expect a team composed of SC2 not-so-greats plus Jaedong to succeed in what used to be the upper echelon of Korean Broodwar leagues is actually a bit daft.
Looking at players like JYP, Hero, Zenio, Revival and Taeja, we see that their results have been all over the place (barring Zenio, who practically fell of the face of the Earth). Jaedong wasn't exactly a super dominant SC2 Zerg at the time EG-TL picked him up. He was kind of living in the shadow of RoRo and SoulKey in terms of KesPa Zergs afaic. The injury to Taeja basically rendered the team impotent, eliminating the Terran option. Thorzain's a nice guy but he's still a foreign Terran in Korea. The question becomes "how does a team with no ace and no Terrans stand a chance?" Replacing Taeja seems to be the impossible task that EG-TL has to address this season. A championship is just a fool's hope at this point.
Hopefully, by next season, EG-TL does some roster cleanup of this A-team. There are way too many weak links in their structure and far too much has been resting on Taeja (to the point where he's breaking down physically). It's possible that the answer lies in foreign players, but improbable. Good Luck next season. This season's screwed.
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