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InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
March 07 2013 20:25 GMT
#161
JYP's stats. No one expected that tbf.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 07 2013 20:27 GMT
#162
On March 08 2013 03:56 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:45 ACrow wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:34 Jacmert wrote:
Speaking of lack of high level Terrans to play, the OP forgot to mention Liquid'Sea retiring from SC2 as a huge setback go EG-TL

I don't want to insult Sea's BW results or his fans, but nothing in Sea's SC2 results would suggest that he would've made any difference if he had stayed in their lineup.
I'm looking forward to HotS, maybe EG-TL can recover a little, though I doubt that they will be in reach of the playoffs this season unfortauntely


You forget Sea's credentials as a veteran of Proleague. Contrast this with the current EG-TL lineup: besides Jaedong and PuMa, the rest of the players on EG-TL are completely inexperienced with Proleague. Yes, they have a lot of experience in individual competitions and online team leagues/GSTL in the past 2 years, but they're in a league where a lot of players have been doing this for much much longer.

They have to not only learn how to deal with the specific pressure of competing on a televised and prestigious league, but also how to prepare, train, plan for a SINGLE game or thousands of different scenarios for an All Kill formats. And do it again and again and again for months.

Should I do this all in this game? How would that affect the other team's mentality towards my other teammates matches. If I do THIS build today, would I be able to use it the next for the other team? Would they expect that? Would they not expect that?

Almost all of these players have been training for best of multi-game series in either marathon tournaments or BO3-BO5-BO7 individual matches in GSL. Having players who can be the hyung/older brother to the other teammates and lend their knowledge and know-how is a huge asset to have.

That's really good points, he probably would be very helpful that way.
Shouldn't Jaedong also be able to fill that role of hyung/mentor as well?
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ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
March 07 2013 20:38 GMT
#163
I am pretty sure Jaedong will be one of the best in some time. Just watching his stream you can see his mechanics are well above anyone in SC2 pro scene imo.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
March 07 2013 20:39 GMT
#164
Idra to SPL? What happens if you don't GG in proleague?
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 07 2013 20:43 GMT
#165
On March 08 2013 05:27 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:56 Gamegene wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:45 ACrow wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:34 Jacmert wrote:
Speaking of lack of high level Terrans to play, the OP forgot to mention Liquid'Sea retiring from SC2 as a huge setback go EG-TL

I don't want to insult Sea's BW results or his fans, but nothing in Sea's SC2 results would suggest that he would've made any difference if he had stayed in their lineup.
I'm looking forward to HotS, maybe EG-TL can recover a little, though I doubt that they will be in reach of the playoffs this season unfortauntely


You forget Sea's credentials as a veteran of Proleague. Contrast this with the current EG-TL lineup: besides Jaedong and PuMa, the rest of the players on EG-TL are completely inexperienced with Proleague. Yes, they have a lot of experience in individual competitions and online team leagues/GSTL in the past 2 years, but they're in a league where a lot of players have been doing this for much much longer.

They have to not only learn how to deal with the specific pressure of competing on a televised and prestigious league, but also how to prepare, train, plan for a SINGLE game or thousands of different scenarios for an All Kill formats. And do it again and again and again for months.

Should I do this all in this game? How would that affect the other team's mentality towards my other teammates matches. If I do THIS build today, would I be able to use it the next for the other team? Would they expect that? Would they not expect that?

Almost all of these players have been training for best of multi-game series in either marathon tournaments or BO3-BO5-BO7 individual matches in GSL. Having players who can be the hyung/older brother to the other teammates and lend their knowledge and know-how is a huge asset to have.

That's really good points, he probably would be very helpful that way.
Shouldn't Jaedong also be able to fill that role of hyung/mentor as well?


He's only one man. A very capable man but still only one man.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 07 2013 20:52 GMT
#166
On March 08 2013 05:39 scudst0rm wrote:
Idra to SPL? What happens if you don't GG in proleague?


I imagine you'd receive a warning the first time it happens; if it were to happen a second KeSPA would be pretty pissed. But I don't think Idra not GGing in SPL is anything to worry about - as far as I know he holds KeSPA pros in very high esteem.
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 07 2013 20:54 GMT
#167
On March 08 2013 05:43 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 05:27 ACrow wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:56 Gamegene wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:45 ACrow wrote:
On March 08 2013 03:34 Jacmert wrote:
Speaking of lack of high level Terrans to play, the OP forgot to mention Liquid'Sea retiring from SC2 as a huge setback go EG-TL

I don't want to insult Sea's BW results or his fans, but nothing in Sea's SC2 results would suggest that he would've made any difference if he had stayed in their lineup.
I'm looking forward to HotS, maybe EG-TL can recover a little, though I doubt that they will be in reach of the playoffs this season unfortauntely


You forget Sea's credentials as a veteran of Proleague. Contrast this with the current EG-TL lineup: besides Jaedong and PuMa, the rest of the players on EG-TL are completely inexperienced with Proleague. Yes, they have a lot of experience in individual competitions and online team leagues/GSTL in the past 2 years, but they're in a league where a lot of players have been doing this for much much longer.

They have to not only learn how to deal with the specific pressure of competing on a televised and prestigious league, but also how to prepare, train, plan for a SINGLE game or thousands of different scenarios for an All Kill formats. And do it again and again and again for months.

Should I do this all in this game? How would that affect the other team's mentality towards my other teammates matches. If I do THIS build today, would I be able to use it the next for the other team? Would they expect that? Would they not expect that?

Almost all of these players have been training for best of multi-game series in either marathon tournaments or BO3-BO5-BO7 individual matches in GSL. Having players who can be the hyung/older brother to the other teammates and lend their knowledge and know-how is a huge asset to have.

That's really good points, he probably would be very helpful that way.
Shouldn't Jaedong also be able to fill that role of hyung/mentor as well?


He's only one man. A very capable man but still only one man.


By the look of our team tags, we understand that very well
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
March 07 2013 20:58 GMT
#168
Lol, I love how they say maybe by switchign uip the foreigners they can win- ya right, Idra and demuslim can barely compete at an NA level- nobody in their right mind is expecting them to win even a single game in proleague.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Sunrunner
Profile Joined July 2011
United States80 Posts
March 07 2013 21:03 GMT
#169
Conclusion: injuries suck. Ya'know, like in SPORTS.

Whoa.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 07 2013 21:03 GMT
#170
On March 08 2013 05:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Lol, I love how they say maybe by switchign uip the foreigners they can win- ya right, Idra and demuslim can barely compete at an NA level- nobody in their right mind is expecting them to win even a single game in proleague.


Although DeMusliM is competent I wholeheartedly agree that he's going to have a really difficult time in Proleague considering ThorZain's results.

IdrA on the other hand you can never underestimate. He's been playing HOTS for a very very very long time now and will probably have the most understanding of the game in the first rounds. That and never forget that he is IdrA. The guy Koreans respect, the guy who's been on a CJ and worn their uniform, who knows how important Proleague is. He is always relevant and always an asset not dead weight.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
March 07 2013 21:11 GMT
#171
On March 08 2013 06:03 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 05:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Lol, I love how they say maybe by switchign uip the foreigners they can win- ya right, Idra and demuslim can barely compete at an NA level- nobody in their right mind is expecting them to win even a single game in proleague.


Although DeMusliM is competent I wholeheartedly agree that he's going to have a really difficult time in Proleague considering ThorZain's results.

IdrA on the other hand you can never underestimate. He's been playing HOTS for a very very very long time now and will probably have the most understanding of the game in the first rounds. That and never forget that he is IdrA. The guy Koreans respect, the guy who's been on a CJ and worn their uniform, who knows how important Proleague is. He is always relevant and always an asset not dead weight.



Hmm no, as much as i love idra for the hilarity he brings to the scene, if you watch him stream his play is very uninspiring; he always seems to be a few months behind everyone else in the metagame and i think he's have trouble in hots as he'll have to wait for korean zergs to figure out what to do and then copy them.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
March 07 2013 21:15 GMT
#172
On March 08 2013 06:11 Zrana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 06:03 Gamegene wrote:
On March 08 2013 05:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Lol, I love how they say maybe by switchign uip the foreigners they can win- ya right, Idra and demuslim can barely compete at an NA level- nobody in their right mind is expecting them to win even a single game in proleague.


Although DeMusliM is competent I wholeheartedly agree that he's going to have a really difficult time in Proleague considering ThorZain's results.

IdrA on the other hand you can never underestimate. He's been playing HOTS for a very very very long time now and will probably have the most understanding of the game in the first rounds. That and never forget that he is IdrA. The guy Koreans respect, the guy who's been on a CJ and worn their uniform, who knows how important Proleague is. He is always relevant and always an asset not dead weight.



Hmm no, as much as i love idra for the hilarity he brings to the scene, if you watch him stream his play is very uninspiring; he always seems to be a few months behind everyone else in the metagame and i think he's have trouble in hots as he'll have to wait for korean zergs to figure out what to do and then copy them.

Pretty much this. Nothing to learn from him when he is streaming. He is winning against NA Scrubs and getting owned by IIIIIIIIIIII.
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Neptuneajax
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia206 Posts
March 07 2013 21:15 GMT
#173
Look at how quickly the Kespa pros got good at SC2 in general. Like within 6 months they came from a totally different game to dominating established pro with 2-3 years experience. Why do people think an expansion with a few new rules here and there is going to change anything? Kespa players will continue to dominate and ESF players will slowly fall by the wayside to these superior gamers. Not that I want this to happen of course but in reality I honestly think that in a year's time we will be saying..."Taeja, who?"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 07 2013 21:16 GMT
#174
On March 08 2013 06:11 Zrana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 06:03 Gamegene wrote:
On March 08 2013 05:58 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Lol, I love how they say maybe by switchign uip the foreigners they can win- ya right, Idra and demuslim can barely compete at an NA level- nobody in their right mind is expecting them to win even a single game in proleague.


Although DeMusliM is competent I wholeheartedly agree that he's going to have a really difficult time in Proleague considering ThorZain's results.

IdrA on the other hand you can never underestimate. He's been playing HOTS for a very very very long time now and will probably have the most understanding of the game in the first rounds. That and never forget that he is IdrA. The guy Koreans respect, the guy who's been on a CJ and worn their uniform, who knows how important Proleague is. He is always relevant and always an asset not dead weight.



Hmm no, as much as i love idra for the hilarity he brings to the scene, if you watch him stream his play is very uninspiring; he always seems to be a few months behind everyone else in the metagame and i think he's have trouble in hots as he'll have to wait for korean zergs to figure out what to do and then copy them.


Idra has all but come out as said that he only messes around when he streams. Like Grubby, he has streaming builds that he does and are pretty neutral as to his play style. But you are right that he has trouble being creative and is not good at inventing builds. Still I would think the Proleague format would be suit him well, since it is all about that one game.
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 21:18:39
March 07 2013 21:17 GMT
#175
On March 08 2013 06:15 Neptuneajax wrote:
Look at how quickly the Kespa pros got good at SC2 in general. Like within 6 months they came from a totally different game to dominating established pro with 2-3 years experience. Why do people think an expansion with a few new rules here and there is going to change anything? Kespa players will continue to dominate and ESF players will slowly fall by the wayside to these superior gamers. Not that I want this to happen of course but in reality I honestly think that in a year's time we will be saying..."Taeja, who?"

You know that either 6months or 2-3years are basically the same right? Or do the Kespa players have to play all the way back to 5rax reaper on jungle basin and work their way up to the current state of the game?
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 21:19:41
March 07 2013 21:19 GMT
#176
On March 08 2013 03:01 krutopatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:58 Aveng3r wrote:
Im rapidly losing interest in the pro scene, because my favorite "foreign" teams are now dominated by koreans. That picture had exactly one person who isnt korean I used to really like EG for guys like Idra, incontrol, demuslim, etc. but now chearing for them means im really just cheering for the koreans on the squad. Im becoming a bigger and bigger supporter of ROOT as I go.


But the best players on ROOT are Korean aswell.

Yeah, but they arent dominated by Koreans the way EG and TL sometimes seem to be
On March 08 2013 03:30 Marti wrote:
I don't really see what the problem is. I think EGTL is doing a fantastic job of replacing Air Force ACE ( no offense ).


Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 02:58 Aveng3r wrote:
Im rapidly losing interest in the pro scene, because my favorite "foreign" teams are now dominated by koreans. That picture had exactly one person who isnt korean I used to really like EG for guys like Idra, incontrol, demuslim, etc. but now chearing for them means im really just cheering for the koreans on the squad. Im becoming a bigger and bigger supporter of ROOT as I go.

yeah i get you.
edit : there's thorzain and stephano so that's two actually.

Yeah I couldnt tell that Thorzain was himself at first glance lol
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 07 2013 21:22 GMT
#177
On March 08 2013 05:52 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 05:39 scudst0rm wrote:
Idra to SPL? What happens if you don't GG in proleague?


I imagine you'd receive a warning the first time it happens; if it were to happen a second KeSPA would be pretty pissed. But I don't think Idra not GGing in SPL is anything to worry about - as far as I know he holds KeSPA pros in very high esteem.


Some of them. But if he lost to, like, Shine... yeah.
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kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
March 07 2013 21:24 GMT
#178
They'll pick it up with HotS i think.
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yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 21:28:04
March 07 2013 21:27 GMT
#179
I am hoping HOTS turns it around and in my mind I expect them to but I honestly, I don't even care if they win out at this point. I just want them to be competitive.
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D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
March 07 2013 21:39 GMT
#180
On March 08 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 03:22 E.L.V.I.S wrote:

Probably the same people that demanded an apology from Choya for winning


can you explain the story please

I believe that was me you quoted. The story is apparently during the GSTL preseason Korean Netizens were angry at the FXO players for all inning Prime in a couple of the games to get wins instead of showing off HoTS units and Choya ended up apologizing for his team winning that way. Khaldor was pretty upset about it.


oh yeah btw my comment on the first page about kespa having 13 players in code s already was just a joke with opterown I know it's not what the article was saying


Questions here. I didn't know Korean netizens were angry at the outcome, but to put another spin on it, even when this is indeed the preseason for GSTL HOTS, why such anger towards the all-ins?

I've seen the arguments for "you have to earn your right to use X or Y unit", so I'm a little confused on the reasoning behind the anger? Also - isn't FXO a team which is dangerous because you just never know what to expect? They might be doing a standard macro game, or they might be sneaking a proxy...does that not make for more dangerous, risky games?

Was Khaldor upset due to the controversy, or was he upset because of how the games turned out?
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