EPTEG-TL: From Heaven to Hell - Page 7
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P_e_X
Germany43 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
EG-TL hasn't officially confirmed this but there seems to be a plan to switch up the foreigners roster for round four. There is a very high chance that EG will add on to the EG-TL roster, Benjamin "DeMusliM" Baker and Greg "IdrA" Fields who has already been preparing for HotS for a long time. I don't know about Demuslim, but Idra is not going to be of any help. His HotS play is mediocre at best, and his mentality is still subpar. Unfortunately, the arrival of HotS probably won't help EGTL too much. They need to fix up the internal issues within the team, not hope for external changes. But not all hope is lost. They are only 7-14, and the 2nd place team is 11-10 IIRC, so while their map differential is probably beyond repair, if a miracle turnaround happens, EGTL may still make the playoffs. Imagine that. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:28 smogg wrote: I didn't see anyone mention KeSpa's ridiculous map pool. Of course they're winning more, when EGTL are practicing on maps for GSL, MLG, etc. and the KeSpa players are practicing on maps like Arkanoid and CalDeum (on which maps EGTL has like a 5% winrate) Edit: And to further prove my point - when KT Rolster started practicing GSL maps, they dropped to 6 losses in a row in Proleague, while getting 2 players into Code S. Doubt they were practicing for GSL over PL. and it's not like they win so many matches on non KeSPA maps. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On March 08 2013 01:28 smogg wrote: I didn't see anyone mention KeSpa's ridiculous map pool. Of course they're winning more, when EGTL are practicing on maps for GSL, MLG, etc. and the KeSpa players are practicing on maps like Arkanoid and CalDeum (on which maps EGTL has like a 5% winrate) Edit: And to further prove my point - when KT Rolster started practicing GSL maps, they dropped to 6 losses in a row in Proleague, while getting 2 players into Code S. When did KT start practicing? Do you have a source for that? - it would be interesting to know, because I have no idea how highly the kespa teams value GSL... | ||
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Mortal
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
Stephano is above 50%, which is ok. Can't expect him to win it all in a tournament format, where hardcore specific preparation is key. Hero might feel underperforming and Taeja definitely, but injuries are a bitch. The only real disappointment would be Thorzain, as this format fits his style and I'd have thought he will win at least 50% of his games. This is a team league and you cannot be on par with other teams, if you only have a very select few actual match-winning players. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:22 Kuni wrote: I can't believe many really believed that huk, puma or I don't know, Zenio, would do well. Their performance is within the boundaries of "expected". Stephano is above 50%, which is ok. Can't expect him to win it all in a tournament format, where hardcore specific preparation is key. Hero might feel underperforming and Taeja definitely, but injuries are a bitch. The only real disappointment would be Thorzain, as this format fits his style and I'd have thought he will win at least 50% of his games. This is a team league and you cannot be on par with other teams, if you only have a very select few actual match-winning players. You miss the biggest dissapointment Lee Jae Dong So sad  | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
Also nice to see that Thorzain is officially twice as good as Pyuuma.  | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:25 mordk wrote: You miss the biggest dissapointment Lee Jae Dong So sad Bad people to practice with = bad results? I know Puma used to be the epic training partner, but the key is USED to be. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:33 Mortal wrote: Bad people to practice with = bad results? I know Puma used to be the epic training partner, but the key is USED to be. "epic training partner" why? cause he practiced with flash? | ||
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Abominous
Croatia1625 Posts
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:35 rasers wrote: "epic training partner" why? cause he practiced with flash? I'm fairly sure they wouldn't pick some scrub to practice with Flash. He was clearly chosen for that role for a reason. Sometimes, best player =/= best training partner. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:33 Mortal wrote: Bad people to practice with = bad results? I know Puma used to be the epic training partner, but the key is USED to be. Didn't seem to hinder him much back during his BW days on Hwaseung. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:35 rasers wrote: "epic training partner" why? cause he practiced with flash? I think Artosis mentioned that Puma was Flash's requested practice partner. Flash apparently wanted to train with him. But while he was good in practice, when the pressure came on during broadcasted matches, tournaments, etc. his abilities never seemed to shine due to nerves. But this was years ago, in a different game. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:39 Bagration wrote: I think Artosis mentioned that Puma was Flash's requested practice partner. Flash apparently wanted to train with him. But while he was good in practice, when the pressure came on during broadcasted matches, tournaments, etc. his abilities never seemed to shine due to nerves. But this was years ago, in a different game. guess there are a million "epic" practice partners out there. but yeah what i forgot 2 say. the stars of each team don't practice that much with each other. they practice with the so called "bad players". so that shouldnt affect jaedong. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Now it's much more reasonable, not even calling it a fiasco is nice.. And the hype that surrounds around Idra and his performance in HOTS.. HAHAH! I love you people <3 | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:33 Mortal wrote: Bad people to practice with = bad results? I know Puma used to be the epic training partner, but the key is USED to be. I don’t think it is practice as much as focus and grinding down games for a specific match up, on a specific map, against a specific player. From what I have seen as a first time viewer of Proleague, many of the players on the Kespa teams are solely focused on Prologue and their specific match up. That combined with the years of experience that the teams have with this format, it is no surprise to me at all that EG-TL is going to have a rough first outing. They are in the first stage of the trial and error system where they figure out how to make their Proleague run work. And people who are surprised that players like Thorzain had a rough time shouldn’t be. There is nothing like Proleague in any other part of the world and it is designed in a format that favors overwhelming preparation and experience. Being in a new country, where you don’t speak the language already makes that process an uphill battle(ie, doing simple things, like buying a card to send to your family is a chore without help) and its going to detract from their ability to double down and focus. Having Non-Koreans do well in Korean leagues quickly and adjust to the culture shock is something no team has mastered yet. It seems minor, but being in a place no one understands you can be terrifying, or at least a ton of effort. I am interested in see how the teams grows and what they come up with to improve their performance. Anyone who throught that EG-TL was going to come in and take 3rd or 4th place on their first outing was set up for disappointment. But I am a Red Soxs fan, so I am used to saying “We’ll get them next year”. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On March 08 2013 02:58 Aveng3r wrote: Im rapidly losing interest in the pro scene, because my favorite "foreign" teams are now dominated by koreans. That picture had exactly one person who isnt korean I used to really like EG for guys like Idra, incontrol, demuslim, etc. but now chearing for them means im really just cheering for the koreans on the squad. Im becoming a bigger and bigger supporter of ROOT as I go. Fail xD I've already pretty much stopped watching proleague. And it has very little to do with eg-tl doing poorly, I just can't stand the casters I'm sorry to say. Im not generally picky but... yeah. Don't know what do say without feeling mean really  I do think thorzain and demuslim would be a nice asset for their sorely lacking terran lineup. Idra? They already have 3 zergs who all are better than him. I think not. | ||
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