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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 13:03:49
March 07 2013 13:01 GMT
#61
edit: i wanna delete my post because its double posting, can anyone help??? ;;
there is no "delete" post button
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 13:09:19
March 07 2013 13:07 GMT
#62
On March 07 2013 22:01 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 21:47 Elite_ wrote:
JYP and HerO best records for EG-TL in Proleague?

Let's direct all of our hate towards JYP because he's a terrible player and bash HerO for getting nervous in every LR thread.

Gotta love the community.



Hero is a better player and is part of Liquid= fan favourite. He has been very consistent up until now since his debut
winning tournaments and placing highly in GSL, BWC etc.


JYP never got hype because... he's JYP. He was a decent player for the longest time; but he never really had an "OH SHIT" moment that got his name out there. Sure, he's on a Yankees team, but look at the other freakin' Koreans with him. Thrust a player like him in Proleague, with TBLS and the Elephant factor, obviously his fan-base wouldn't grow appropriately.

Personally, I think JYP being tied for top performance in EG-TL shows how terribad the team is. JYP isn't bad, JYP isn't good, he's average; it's just everyone else on his team is pretty shite. Seeing those winrates and that ranking chart is so fuckin' depressing, man. Serious.
rj rl
Profile Joined May 2012
648 Posts
March 07 2013 13:08 GMT
#63
On March 07 2013 21:52 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 21:48 rj rl wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:41 TeeTS wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
that article was probably less incorrect than the one intrigue wrote about elephants~

Kespa already has 13 spots in Code S.


With Kespa players being seeded into Code S since Kespa moved to SC2 up to now

i wonder if those excuses will end when roro rapes symbol to become a gsl champion for kespa.

well eventually a kespa player would have won, it's just a bit later than some expected (or hoped)

the truth you speak but just to be fair (and a bit annoying) - article only mentioned "a few months delay", not 2-4 exacty. So if some expected it to be 2 months, it's rather their problem not the article's crucial mistake.
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
March 07 2013 13:12 GMT
#64
On March 07 2013 22:08 rj rl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 21:52 opterown wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:48 rj rl wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:41 TeeTS wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:07 opterown wrote:
that article was probably less incorrect than the one intrigue wrote about elephants~

Kespa already has 13 spots in Code S.


With Kespa players being seeded into Code S since Kespa moved to SC2 up to now

i wonder if those excuses will end when roro rapes symbol to become a gsl champion for kespa.

well eventually a kespa player would have won, it's just a bit later than some expected (or hoped)

the truth you speak but just to be fair (and a bit annoying) - article only mentioned "a few months delay", not 2-4 exacty. So if some expected it to be 2 months, it's rather their problem not the article's crucial mistake.


I always saw it as "Kespa player(s) CAN win a GSL in X amount of time," rather than "Kespa player(s) WILL win a GSL in X amount of time."

Rain was GSL-champion material pretty early on; but just like other GSL-champion material players that don't have a trophy to their name, no one really denies their abilities, it's just harder to argue for their sake.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 13:23:32
March 07 2013 13:20 GMT
#65
On March 07 2013 21:00 StarVe wrote:
At least now we have an article to link to morons who believe TL writers were simply biased in the Round 1 preview and no one with a clear mind would have thought that EGTL would do well.

I think at one point you could swich two teams on the PL ranking and you would have the exact opposit of his preview ranking of the teams. That is incredibly inaccurate. And it is not only that, Fionn (and other TL writers as well) consistantly predicts that the kespa players will lose (and they are consistantly wrong).

I recomend that they watch some more of PL. I think it is at this point the most competitive league in the world.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
duckmaster
Profile Joined August 2011
687 Posts
March 07 2013 13:21 GMT
#66
From the get go I thought EG-TL would be the worst team in PL, they actually far exceeded my hopes in the beginning. I'd give them credit for doing as well as they did for a while.
ChriseC
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany440 Posts
March 07 2013 13:23 GMT
#67
time for EG to finaly send the gracken over to wreck up proleague
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 13:28:52
March 07 2013 13:25 GMT
#68
I thought EGTL would do very well at the beginning, from what I saw of the hybrid league. The games were so laughably bad, I thought TaeJa and HerO would just have free wins for the first 2 rounds. To me the surprise isn't that they're losing now, it's that they failed to put up results when they had the chance.

I should also add, HerO's collapse contributed a lot to this. Nobody here could rightly predict that HerO was going to have one of the worst PL records. TaeJa also got injured for an entire round. Since EG-TL is mostly a 3-man team, it really hurts when something happens to 2 of them.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
March 07 2013 13:30 GMT
#69
didnt idra lose to minigun
Everyday Girl's Day~!
rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
March 07 2013 13:31 GMT
#70
lol at people who think idra might do any damage in proleague
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
March 07 2013 13:31 GMT
#71
On March 07 2013 21:47 Elite_ wrote:
JYP and HerO best records for EG-TL in Proleague?

Let's direct all of our hate towards JYP because he's a terrible player and bash HerO for getting nervous in every LR thread.

Gotta love the community.


Small sample size but technically Stephano has the best record on EG-TL.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 07 2013 13:32 GMT
#72
When the collaboration was announced, I thought Taeja, Stephano and Hero were the best players in Proleague, with a strong experienced support cast of JYP, Thorzain and Puma to make them the strongest team by far. Kespa players had only recently switched to SC2 and were still lagging far behind, except a select few like Rain and Bogus. I'm not sure what happened then. Kespa players have now caught up skillwise, but even in round 1, EG-TL severely underperformed. Is it due to bad coaching? Poor training conditions? Bad preparation? Too much travelling and focus on other tournaments? Who knows.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
March 07 2013 13:32 GMT
#73
here's the plan :

Send Idar to korean gaming house
????
success !
RIP MKP
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
March 07 2013 13:32 GMT
#74
On March 07 2013 22:30 Kergy wrote:
didnt idra lose to minigun


PartinG lost to CombatEx. What's your point?
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 07 2013 13:33 GMT
#75
On March 07 2013 22:20 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 21:00 StarVe wrote:
At least now we have an article to link to morons who believe TL writers were simply biased in the Round 1 preview and no one with a clear mind would have thought that EGTL would do well.

I think at one point you could swich two teams on the PL ranking and you would have the exact opposit of his preview ranking of the teams. That is incredibly inaccurate. And it is not only that, Fionn (and other TL writers as well) consistantly predicts that the kespa players will lose (and they are consistantly wrong).

I recomend that they watch some more of PL. I think it is at this point the most competitive league in the world.


Actually, getting the predictions completely wrong is kind of a trait with TL writers (the TL writer's curse). It has nothing to do with Kespa or not. It happened quite a bit before Kespa players switched.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
March 07 2013 13:34 GMT
#76
On March 07 2013 22:32 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 22:30 Kergy wrote:
didnt idra lose to minigun


PartinG lost to CombatEx. What's your point?


that PvP is a coinflip and every single protoss in PL is significantly better than minigun
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
March 07 2013 13:35 GMT
#77
On March 07 2013 22:32 Scorch wrote:
When the collaboration was announced, I thought Taeja, Stephano and Hero were the best players in Proleague, with a strong experienced support cast of JYP, Thorzain and Puma to make them the strongest team by far. Kespa players had only recently switched to SC2 and were still lagging far behind, except a select few like Rain and Bogus. I'm not sure what happened then. Kespa players have now caught up skillwise, but even in round 1, EG-TL severely underperformed. Is it due to bad coaching? Poor training conditions? Bad preparation? Too much travelling and focus on other tournaments? Who knows.


Yeah, you were rational. But shit happens. Slumps, injuries and so on are valid reasons for failing to live up to expectations.
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
March 07 2013 13:36 GMT
#78
On March 07 2013 22:34 Kergy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 22:32 Xpace wrote:
On March 07 2013 22:30 Kergy wrote:
didnt idra lose to minigun


PartinG lost to CombatEx. What's your point?


that PvP is a coinflip and every single protoss in PL is significantly better than minigun


True story; but at least it's hella more fun now than it was back then.

Ignore me. I'm just praying for some IdrA ownage.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 13:37:18
March 07 2013 13:36 GMT
#79
On March 07 2013 22:33 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 22:20 Elroi wrote:
On March 07 2013 21:00 StarVe wrote:
At least now we have an article to link to morons who believe TL writers were simply biased in the Round 1 preview and no one with a clear mind would have thought that EGTL would do well.

I think at one point you could swich two teams on the PL ranking and you would have the exact opposit of his preview ranking of the teams. That is incredibly inaccurate. And it is not only that, Fionn (and other TL writers as well) consistantly predicts that the kespa players will lose (and they are consistantly wrong).

I recomend that they watch some more of PL. I think it is at this point the most competitive league in the world.


Actually, getting the predictions completely wrong is kind of a trait with TL writers (the TL writer's curse). It has nothing to do with Kespa or not. It happened quite a bit before Kespa players switched.

For example, the last preview was group E in the U&D, they predict the three kespa players as the worst in the group and they end up in the spots 1-3. Coincidence?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
March 07 2013 14:01 GMT
#80
Thorzain with the gigantic feet again. It feels like Proleague is not the focus of EG-TL and mainly just another teamleague tournament. It could have also been the arrival of HOTS and everyone was preparing for the switch. Either way EG-TL has been disappointing and even the writers in Korea agree.
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