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FYI: You can still make hellbats without the upgrade, you just can't transform in and out of them until you get the upgrade. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:30 Qikz wrote: STC is going mech on his stream, so is Goody. People are doing it, just not in the runs ups to tournaments. No, no they are not. This is what mech looks like: ![[image loading]](http://www.thinkdigit.com/FCKeditor/uploads/Brood%20Wars%20-%20Terran%20Siege%20Tanks%20get%20to%20see%20what%20a%20Zealot%20dropped%20on%20them%20feels%20like.jpg) Mass hellbat/thor/medivacs marching in a ball across the map is not mech. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
I'll miss them, but I guess they were so easy to deal with for me because every Terran goes for them and I copied an anti strategy from a pro. So the only indication for me that it was overpowered was because it was used so often. Anyway more nerfs to the offensive early game might mean Terran gets some defensive buffs. Maybe 75 Mineral Turrets or a cheaper +2 armor upgrade. | ||
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nemonic
132 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:37 SHODAN wrote: No, no they are not. This is what mech looks like: Mass hellbat/thor/medivacs marching in a ball across the map is not mech. I am seeing mech tvp from streams where terrans go tank/hellbat/mines with some vikings later on. Dunno what you are talking about I rarely see just hellbat/thor/medivac except when toss is doing a sky toss transition (which happened in bw when terrans went a ton of goliaths). | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:37 SHODAN wrote: No, no they are not. This is what mech looks like: Mass hellbat/thor/medivacs marching in a ball across the map is not mech. By your definition, nobody has and nobody will ever go mech again. Good logic. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:37 SHODAN wrote: Mass hellbat/thor/medivacs marching in a ball across the map is not mech. Oh god, not this bullshit again. Mech stands for mechanical, as opposed to biological units. If you want to define it further just say tank-based mech or something. Don't start making your own rules for words because "that's how it was in BW". | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:44 Bagi wrote: Oh god, not this bullshit again. Mech stands for mechanical, as opposed to biological units. If you want to define it further just say tank-based mech or something. Don't start making your own rules for words because "that's how it was in BW". Mech is a style, and the style is defined by fucking siege tanks. There is no sub category called "tank-based mech" because mech = tanks, end of story. | ||
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:47 SHODAN wrote: Mech is a style, and the style is defined by fucking siege tanks. There is no sub category called "tank-based mech" because mech = tanks, end of story. Well clearly your definition and blizzard's definitions are in conflict. Since your opinion has no comparative value, we'll go with Blizzard's definition here. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:47 SHODAN wrote: Mech is a style, and the style is defined by fucking siege tanks. There is no sub category called "tank-based mech" because mech = tanks, end of story. Still means mechanical. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:56 Qikz wrote: I've seen Dragon, Goody and the STC all go tank based mech, BW style mech. I've seen Dragon go queen only. Queen only Zerg build is viable! | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
The time between Terran gaining full map control and then converting all their map control units into straight up power units looks to be too narrow. Lol, so we are back to the point where zerg pretty much has map control AND vision the entire game WHILE having super fast mutas? Again, there were issues with the hell bat but tech lab, 150/150, 110 seconds? Why is the hell bat not getting gradually nerf like the infestor (which has a big problem for much much longer?). Why not try something like 75/75 and 60 seconds first? | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:57 aksfjh wrote: I've seen Dragon go queen only. Queen only Zerg build is viable! This is when Dragon was laddering, he doesn't troll all the time :/ | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:56 redviper wrote: Well clearly your definition and blizzard's definitions are in conflict. Since your opinion has no comparative value, we'll go with Blizzard's definition here. As the guy is saying, Mech doesn't mean marine/marauder with skin of mechanical units. Mech is a particular style. Surprisingly, people wanting a different option weren't asking for the standard ball playstyle but with a different name. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On February 23 2013 10:57 vthree wrote: Lol, so we are back to the point where zerg pretty much has map control AND vision the entire game WHILE having super fast mutas? Again, there were issues with the hell bat but tech lab, 150/150, 110 seconds? Why is the hell bat not getting gradually nerf like the infestor (which has a big problem for much much longer?). Why not try something like 75/75 and 60 seconds first? They want Terrans to be happy during the next round of nerfs. "It really sucks that reapers and widow mines only have 20 health now, but at least it's not as bad as that time hellbats were nerfed!" | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
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CapTanObviOs
United States52 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On February 23 2013 11:09 CapTanObviOs wrote: I love how they are so prompt compared to the infestor changes. Seems like David Kim doesnt like terran. Infestors feels swarmy, meanwhile the hellbat isn't mechy enough. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
HotS TvP mech is not exactly BW mech, but it certainly doesn't eschew siege tanks entirely--they synergize really well with the other units that have been added...sygnificantly better than they synergized with traditional Hellions. If you aren't playing TvP mech with an eye towards good positioning, protecting your back lines, and choosing good terrain to engage, then you aren't doing it properly. If you are doing that, its become a vastly stronger style than it ever was in BW. A well-positioned terran mech army with good upgrades is all but impossible for Toss to take on a straight on engagement if they just use gateway/robo. Stargate is the only Toss answer to Terran mech currently, and if it wasn't as good as it is, I don't think Protoss would have an effective answer. And frankly, I'm ok with that--Terran mech should be all but impossible to take head on with a ground army, that's the entire point. | ||
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