Is Terran to remain the lowest played race? - Page 4

On January 19 2013 03:10 Sajaki wrote:
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FPL = Fantasy ProLeague. Not race icons.

On January 19 2013 03:10 Sajaki wrote:


Korean pros are very aggressive. Often watching streams they'll gas first in TvT because they are confident with their control and multitasking. Foreigners, on the other hand, tend to favor macro games with many bases. Naturally, macro games favor the zerg more then the terran, so in foreignland Zerg is better represented. In aggro korea, Terran is better represented.

In addition, the greatest difficulty with Zerg IMO is identifying what your opponent is doing, then reacting accordingly. Because a Zerg that knows exactly whats coming can drone and build units properly, thus coming out ahead (usually). This is why they are worse in lower leagues but very healthy in higher leagues when Zergs can dedicate themselves to beating these timings and securing their deathball.



FPL = Fantasy ProLeague. Not race icons.

On January 19 2013 02:32 Nezgar wrote:
Just a couple things:

1. When it comes to TL.net the vast majority here is terrans. Just take a look at FPL where there are groups for protoss, terran and zerg. The terran group is larger than both zerg and protoss combined.
2. From my personal experience in both WoL (since early beta) and HotS terran was the most played race for the most part of WoL and even now I see more terrans than protoss on ladder. It was roughly 50/35/15% Z/T/P when playing 1vs1 (Plat-Master) and 2vs2 (hight Masters) in both Wings and HotS recently.
3. Terran was the most dominant race when it comes to tournaments during all of WoL up until Summer 2012 when Zerg took over. http://aligulac.com/periods/ has a pretty neat history overview when it comes to which race was dominant at which part of Wings.

I still stand by the general sentiment that terrans don't utilize their units to the fullest. I see many many games where terrans simply refuse to build ghosts in a long drawnout macro TvP. In general is the lack of terrans using their spellcasters alarming. Most players just go for the really easy to control bioball which requires only stimkiting and occasional splitting. I even see high master terrans playing with only one single control group for their whole army.

I feel like terrans were fed with too easy victories for the majority of Wings that most of the casual players never really bothered learning how to properly control an army. Jeez, many people still think that stutterstep is the hardest form of micro or general army control. I mean c'mon, terran bio units even move at the same freakin speed so that you don't have to worry which unit arrives at which time when moving your army over the map. It doesn't get much easier, really.

On January 19 2013 01:55 TheDwf wrote:

Please enlighten us.

On January 19 2013 03:26 figq wrote:
Terran used to be the most played race and also the most successful race pretty much at all levels.

On January 19 2013 03:52 Agro_Z wrote:
Terran is a race that relies on the defender's advantage more heavily than the other two races due to its mode of production. This is problematic in SC2 due to the ease and speed of mass unit production the other two races potentially have access to. As it is now, larva inject and warp gate are fundamental flaws in the game that no amount of unit stat tinkering can remedy.

Terran is the most mechanically demanding race. From another point of view, Protoss and Zerg may not mechanically demanding enough. Protoss and Zerg needs more responsive and microable units.

On January 19 2013 03:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:


I hate this perpetuated lie.

Protoss and Zerg have less sexy "mechanically demanding" requirements--but I wouldn't say that they don't have any.

Creep Spread + injects + counterattacks + bane splits + etc... are all mechanically demanding, just not sexy.

Same with toss.

Marine splits are sexy, overlord management not so much.

On January 19 2013 02:06 mvdunecats wrote:
My struggles as a Gold League Terran lately have centered around the following reasons for losing:
- "You just need to macro better."
- "You didn't have the right army composition, you need to scout better."

While I understand that both of those elements are important, it feels like I'm fighting an up-hill battle in any non-mirror match up as a Terran. I can't simply focus on macro against Toss or Zerg because their late game armies are simply too powerful. I have to be at least as good on my macro AND be doing constant harassment to my Toss or Zerg opponent. Meanwhile, a Toss or a Zerg can just focus purely on macro and be just fine. I've heard plenty of comments like, "Of course you lost, you let the Toss/Zerg sit back and tech." I've never heard that said about losing to a Terran.

Scouting for army composition is another issue. In TvP, I need to know roughly how many Colossi and how many HT/Archons my opponent has to be able to balance my composition correctly. The same thing with TvZ. I'm having to respond to my opponent's composition. As a Terran in those match ups, is there any army composition that a Toss or Zerg has to worry about scouting ahead of time that will change their composition? It doesn't feel like the other two races have to respond to my composition nearly as much as I do to theirs.

On January 19 2013 04:16 Agro_Z wrote:


I never said that Protoss and Zerg are not mechanically demanding at all. It is just that Terran can be more mechanically demanding in many situations. To clarify, in army versus army situations, many times the Terran is required to have a larger micro response than the other two races. Terran units have more high micro situations, so why shouldn't Zerg and Protoss also have these "sexy" fun micro opportunities. Instead, in SC2 we have micro-restricting abilities or essentially A-move, low attention units. This is what I mean by Protoss and Zerg need more responsive and microable units.

On January 19 2013 04:34 Glurkenspurk wrote:


No. If you're gold you lost because you suck. It's as simple as that.


I'm sorry for being blunt, but balance REALLY does not matter at a low level. I am mid master terran as my offrace just because I have decent mechanics, there is nothing else to it. I guarantee if you post replays we can pick out ways you messed up terribly in the first 8 minutes of the game.

On January 19 2013 03:26 figq wrote:
Terran used to be the most played race and also the most successful race pretty much at all levels. People make all kinds of statements in this thread to sound as though they are universal and absolute, but they only apply to recent months. Things will change, as they've changed from what was before. Around the Legacy of the Void beta, expect protoss in HotS to become the strongest race. Surprise, surprise. Most played race gets the most people to buy its respective expansion.