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And something everyone is missing is that they are not the best representative of Code S players, besides Taeja IMO.
[D]Why code S players not very well in proleague? - Page 5
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Ratch!
Peru258 Posts
Maps Snipers And something everyone is missing is that they are not the best representative of Code S players, besides Taeja IMO. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On January 16 2013 22:05 FeyFey wrote: Proleague has first of all a different system. The other reason is in this case the map pool, you don't prepare as hard on those maps if they aren't in CodeS. The more valuable tournament for most people. So Imo it is completely logical. And since Kespa and Esf have different priorities it will ever be that way. It is stuff for the eternal discussion of who is better. (well until parting will win all the kespa tournaments) But I think EG/TL will do better with more experience in this format. I mean there is always a homeground advantage in some tournaments. Also ewww Best of 1 so random ... just kidding ... but it annoyed me when it was mentioned after a kespa player lost in the up and downs. other way around, proleague is always number one priority for kespa players | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 17 2013 02:43 mongmong wrote: bisu won 3 msl. Why do u think he is called a revolutionist? Because he is the one who 3-0d fucking Bonjwa at the time, Savior. Individual league >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>proleague when it comes to player evaluation. I'm saying that Bisu is NOT a scrub. Just because he didn't win an OSL does not make him a scrub. Just because flashed failed to get into Code S does not make him a scrub. And just because Taeja isn't doing well in PL does not make him a scrub. | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
Everybody knows Taeja is doing worse than he should due to injury. HuK just fought his way into Code S this season through up & down invite. Two of the Code S players you name haven't even had a single match. (Back when HuK played Code S the game was so far away from being the Starcraft 2 we know now I think it does not count) Can't really comment on the rest but I would rather be surprised if one of them were in the top 10.... | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Soulkey and Bogus are just playing badly after their good run last Code S season, same goes for Roro to some extent. Stephano is doing decently well but gets sniped every time by a Zerg. Baby was always inconsistent but had a good run in Code A, it happens. HuK got through Up&Downs but is not necessarily Code S level. Not one of the Code S players who are currently the best is playing in Proleague, that's just how it is. Add maps/BO1 randomness/snipers and people having bad days into that and you have your reasons. | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
I wouldn't say that code S players "aren't doing well in proleague" based off of those flawed rankings | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On January 17 2013 03:23 mongmong wrote: You made a very good point there genius, Sea never had any real success in individual leagues hence he is not remembered as one of the best players. I'll give you the list of best progamers of all time: iloov, Savior, Flash, Reach Jaedong, bisu, Stork, Nada, Boxer, July. Not single one of them would be remembered as one of the best if they hadnt had any success in individual leagues. Youre not gonna say Gumiho>>>>Mvp because Gumiho's team league results is better are you? lol My point was that both matter. Do you think it is a coincidence that almost all of those players have won Proleague? I wouldn't say that Gumiho > MVP because I have more or less never seen any of them play. | ||
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RanDomFox
United States84 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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uberism
Canada271 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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TzTz
Germany511 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 16 2013 21:44 starfinder wrote: I checked code S group and TLPD,found something interesting. All the players who playing in both code S and proleague haven't a good score in proleague by now.They just normal or worse. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/3224_2012-2013_SPL/player_stats#tblt-523-1-7-DESC ID win/lose ELOpts taeja 6-3 2054 soulkey 6-4 2032 stephano 2-2 1996 bogus 6-8 1970 TY 5-7 1967 roro 6-8 1964 huk 0-2 1964 None of them got in the proleague ELO ranking top 10. In my opinion, code S is top level tourney,a player is one of the best32 in gsl,and his boss paid him for proleague, a league seems not as tough as code S,of cause he will be the bests in proleague. right? but TLPD told me something different,why? Any logical reasoning about this? edit: Difference of map pool not the answer obviously. They paid for proleague win. Practicing mainly on proleague maps, not GSL. Practicing everyday almost for proleague, not for gsl, but can't win as more as on maps they didn't practicing so much. How did this happen? And it's not a title comparing proleague players with ESF players.Just asking why some proleague players who got a code S badge in their spare time,harder to carry out works their Boss paid them for:win in proleague As long as they have a .500 batting average then I see nothing wrong with their performance. HuK's not worth mentioning and as for the rest. They're doing just fine. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
Because it's just stupid post to "compare". It's like saying "Why the PL players with the best stats couldn't qualify to Code S?". | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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bankobauss
204 Posts
1) you must remove mirror match losses from the stastistics 2) you must remove games on arkanoid from the stastistics i know many will disagree with me on the mirror match point, but my argument is that I truly feel mirror matches are highly different from non-mirror matches stephano has incredible skill in non-mirror matches. but his zvz is pretty abysmal Now, if a player can be like flash with great non-mirror matches and a awesome TvT, then that is amazing and incredible however IMO I feel if you follow my 2 rules, many of the code S players will show to have very good skill showings in proleague i guess my argument is, that mirror matchups are a completely different animal compared to non-mirrors | ||
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