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On January 18 2013 10:45 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 10:30 jinorazi wrote:On January 18 2013 10:23 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 09:14 Dfgj wrote:On January 18 2013 03:43 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On January 18 2013 02:33 Senshin wrote:
I didnt miss anything but what reign?
Where is nestea and MC now, they already getting outlucked, they are not good enough to have these names like in BW ( and never will get because there is to much luck involved)
In Bw you had big names like yellow, iloveoov, boxer, nada, elky, nazgul, people that where really better on a constant level and longer play and I always will remember this.
Now you have here is mister unknown from south korea beating the crap out other progamers, this are things i dont remember happening in BW, in BW big names did big things, they always ended up high and winning, and the lesser player was also there, but most of the times they did lose or they would become better over time.
There are so much players, one of them wins and then silent goes to the background in time.
I dont know really to explain, but it's what i feel about and maybe i am wrong. i have news for you, nestea is back. Mr Unknown? LOL are you joking? Was HyuN or Life Mr Unknown? Everyone and their mother was saying Hyun was an online beast months before the IPL streak, and everyone knew there was huge potential in Life. You compare a complete game with a 12 year history (and established players) vs a new game, that is still being developed. plz. Give it some time and the HotS expansion (which will fix alot of things) and things will get a lot better. But its not that volatile as you describe  SC2 is not a new game. And he cited players from the first years of BW, not the end of it. But isn't that a contradiction to his statement? If he needs the exact same players in the finals all the time how is it possible that there are more then 2 names in the first years? from 01 to 06 in osl finals, the names he mentioned (boxer, nada, oov) takes majority of the spots (at least one of the finalists) So that is 5-6year long. And might i add that this was 3 year after BW came out yet people now already want a game that is not even 3 year old, has no expansions to do the same.
People want SC2 after 3 years to be anywhere near BW after 3 years? Stunning conclusion.
SC2 hasn't only had 3 years, too. It's had 3 years of active life + development time + lessons learned from SC1/BW being out for ages. If you say that the game needs expansions, you're also admitting the game is incomplete right now, which doesn't help your point much.
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On January 18 2013 10:45 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 10:30 jinorazi wrote:On January 18 2013 10:23 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 09:14 Dfgj wrote:On January 18 2013 03:43 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On January 18 2013 02:33 Senshin wrote:
I didnt miss anything but what reign?
Where is nestea and MC now, they already getting outlucked, they are not good enough to have these names like in BW ( and never will get because there is to much luck involved)
In Bw you had big names like yellow, iloveoov, boxer, nada, elky, nazgul, people that where really better on a constant level and longer play and I always will remember this.
Now you have here is mister unknown from south korea beating the crap out other progamers, this are things i dont remember happening in BW, in BW big names did big things, they always ended up high and winning, and the lesser player was also there, but most of the times they did lose or they would become better over time.
There are so much players, one of them wins and then silent goes to the background in time.
I dont know really to explain, but it's what i feel about and maybe i am wrong. i have news for you, nestea is back. Mr Unknown? LOL are you joking? Was HyuN or Life Mr Unknown? Everyone and their mother was saying Hyun was an online beast months before the IPL streak, and everyone knew there was huge potential in Life. You compare a complete game with a 12 year history (and established players) vs a new game, that is still being developed. plz. Give it some time and the HotS expansion (which will fix alot of things) and things will get a lot better. But its not that volatile as you describe SC2 is not a new game. And he cited players from the first years of BW, not the end of it. But isn't that a contradiction to his statement? If he needs the exact same players in the finals all the time how is it possible that there are more then 2 names in the first years? from 01 to 06 in osl finals, the names he mentioned (boxer, nada, oov) takes majority of the spots (at least one of the finalists) So that is 5-6year long. And might i add that this was 3 year after BW came out yet people now already want a game that is not even 3 year old, has no expansions to do the same.
i thought it was in regards to volatile nature of the game, not necessarily about what to expect. i'd add sc2 had a head start with the scene fully developed in regards to attention in preparations and depth taken into developing strategies and studying the game.
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On January 18 2013 11:02 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 10:45 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 10:30 jinorazi wrote:On January 18 2013 10:23 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 09:14 Dfgj wrote:On January 18 2013 03:43 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On January 18 2013 02:33 Senshin wrote:
I didnt miss anything but what reign?
Where is nestea and MC now, they already getting outlucked, they are not good enough to have these names like in BW ( and never will get because there is to much luck involved)
In Bw you had big names like yellow, iloveoov, boxer, nada, elky, nazgul, people that where really better on a constant level and longer play and I always will remember this.
Now you have here is mister unknown from south korea beating the crap out other progamers, this are things i dont remember happening in BW, in BW big names did big things, they always ended up high and winning, and the lesser player was also there, but most of the times they did lose or they would become better over time.
There are so much players, one of them wins and then silent goes to the background in time.
I dont know really to explain, but it's what i feel about and maybe i am wrong. i have news for you, nestea is back. Mr Unknown? LOL are you joking? Was HyuN or Life Mr Unknown? Everyone and their mother was saying Hyun was an online beast months before the IPL streak, and everyone knew there was huge potential in Life. You compare a complete game with a 12 year history (and established players) vs a new game, that is still being developed. plz. Give it some time and the HotS expansion (which will fix alot of things) and things will get a lot better. But its not that volatile as you describe SC2 is not a new game. And he cited players from the first years of BW, not the end of it. But isn't that a contradiction to his statement? If he needs the exact same players in the finals all the time how is it possible that there are more then 2 names in the first years? from 01 to 06 in osl finals, the names he mentioned (boxer, nada, oov) takes majority of the spots (at least one of the finalists) So that is 5-6year long. And might i add that this was 3 year after BW came out yet people now already want a game that is not even 3 year old, has no expansions to do the same. i thought it was in regards to volatile nature of the game, not necessarily about what to expect. i'd add sc2 had a head start with the scene fully developed in regards to attention in preparations and depth taken into developing strategies and studying the game.
You're absolutely correct. I agree.
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On January 18 2013 02:50 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 02:33 Senshin wrote:
I didnt miss anything but what reign?
Where is nestea and MC now, they already getting outlucked, they are not good enough to have these names like in BW ( and never will get because there is to much luck involved)
In Bw you had big names like yellow, iloveoov, boxer, nada, elky, nazgul, people that where really better on a constant level and longer play and I always will remember this.
Now you have here is mister unknown from south korea beating the crap out other progamers, this are things i dont remember happening in BW, in BW big names did big things, they always ended up high and winning, and the lesser player was also there, but most of the times they did lose or they would become better over time.
There are so much players, one of them wins and then silent goes to the background in time.
I dont know really to explain, but it's what i feel about and maybe i am wrong. Thats easy to explain, Kespa did a good job at keeping their star players on top and the others a bit away from there, pretty good for the marketing. Also at that time it was a commitment to play BW as a pro in Korea. In Sc2 the fresh blood can raise freely without being held back by the system. Another thing is that people slacked off when they were on top, the entrance of kespa changed that and everyone is working hard again. Before it went mostly liks this, top koreans in the gsl got invites to tons of events and dropped of afterwards. Not really surprising when they lose weeks of practice that way. But anyway if you looked at the foreign scene and ignored Mondragon, the dominance was also changing quiet often. So it might be an indication that Sc2 is still young and people haven't found out how to dominate or are to far from this level of perfection. Because the game is more complex/faster then BW as an exchange for the easier mechanics. (which people still don't use to its fullest).
What dat is...?
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On January 18 2013 11:12 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 11:02 jinorazi wrote:On January 18 2013 10:45 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 10:30 jinorazi wrote:On January 18 2013 10:23 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 09:14 Dfgj wrote:On January 18 2013 03:43 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On January 18 2013 02:33 Senshin wrote:
I didnt miss anything but what reign?
Where is nestea and MC now, they already getting outlucked, they are not good enough to have these names like in BW ( and never will get because there is to much luck involved)
In Bw you had big names like yellow, iloveoov, boxer, nada, elky, nazgul, people that where really better on a constant level and longer play and I always will remember this.
Now you have here is mister unknown from south korea beating the crap out other progamers, this are things i dont remember happening in BW, in BW big names did big things, they always ended up high and winning, and the lesser player was also there, but most of the times they did lose or they would become better over time.
There are so much players, one of them wins and then silent goes to the background in time.
I dont know really to explain, but it's what i feel about and maybe i am wrong. i have news for you, nestea is back. Mr Unknown? LOL are you joking? Was HyuN or Life Mr Unknown? Everyone and their mother was saying Hyun was an online beast months before the IPL streak, and everyone knew there was huge potential in Life. You compare a complete game with a 12 year history (and established players) vs a new game, that is still being developed. plz. Give it some time and the HotS expansion (which will fix alot of things) and things will get a lot better. But its not that volatile as you describe SC2 is not a new game. And he cited players from the first years of BW, not the end of it. But isn't that a contradiction to his statement? If he needs the exact same players in the finals all the time how is it possible that there are more then 2 names in the first years? from 01 to 06 in osl finals, the names he mentioned (boxer, nada, oov) takes majority of the spots (at least one of the finalists) So that is 5-6year long. And might i add that this was 3 year after BW came out yet people now already want a game that is not even 3 year old, has no expansions to do the same. i thought it was in regards to volatile nature of the game, not necessarily about what to expect. i'd add sc2 had a head start with the scene fully developed in regards to attention in preparations and depth taken into developing strategies and studying the game. You're absolutely correct. I agree.
People had RTS games figured out during Warcraft2, until BW came out.
People had BW figured out, until Boxer changed everything
Micro was king, until iloveoov changed everything
Macro was king, and then Savior showed up
And then Bisu
And so on
And so on
Imagine what we'd have figured out, tomorrow.
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This is "Proleague players" vs." Proleague players with code S badge",and the former did better work than the latter in proleague.
Why? code S means nothing or minus?
This is "Proleague players" vs." Proleague players with code S badge",and the latter did badder work than the former in GSL.
Why? Proleague means nothing or minus?
I fix it for you.
Proleague is bo1, GSL is bo3. There is not enough match in proleague for now to prove anything.
This thread should not even exist it makes no sense.
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On January 19 2013 04:50 Chloroplaste wrote:Show nested quote +
This is "Proleague players" vs." Proleague players with code S badge",and the former did better work than the latter in proleague.
Why? code S means nothing or minus?
This is "Proleague players" vs." Proleague players with code S badge",and the latter did badder work than the former in GSL. Why? Proleague means nothing or minus? I fix it for you. Proleague is bo1, GSL is bo3. There is not enough match in proleague for now to prove anything. This thread should not even exist it makes no sense.
Proleague teams paid their players millions $ not for GSL at all.
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On January 18 2013 10:57 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 10:45 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 10:30 jinorazi wrote:On January 18 2013 10:23 Assirra wrote:On January 18 2013 09:14 Dfgj wrote:On January 18 2013 03:43 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On January 18 2013 02:33 Senshin wrote:
I didnt miss anything but what reign?
Where is nestea and MC now, they already getting outlucked, they are not good enough to have these names like in BW ( and never will get because there is to much luck involved)
In Bw you had big names like yellow, iloveoov, boxer, nada, elky, nazgul, people that where really better on a constant level and longer play and I always will remember this.
Now you have here is mister unknown from south korea beating the crap out other progamers, this are things i dont remember happening in BW, in BW big names did big things, they always ended up high and winning, and the lesser player was also there, but most of the times they did lose or they would become better over time.
There are so much players, one of them wins and then silent goes to the background in time.
I dont know really to explain, but it's what i feel about and maybe i am wrong. i have news for you, nestea is back. Mr Unknown? LOL are you joking? Was HyuN or Life Mr Unknown? Everyone and their mother was saying Hyun was an online beast months before the IPL streak, and everyone knew there was huge potential in Life. You compare a complete game with a 12 year history (and established players) vs a new game, that is still being developed. plz. Give it some time and the HotS expansion (which will fix alot of things) and things will get a lot better. But its not that volatile as you describe SC2 is not a new game. And he cited players from the first years of BW, not the end of it. But isn't that a contradiction to his statement? If he needs the exact same players in the finals all the time how is it possible that there are more then 2 names in the first years? from 01 to 06 in osl finals, the names he mentioned (boxer, nada, oov) takes majority of the spots (at least one of the finalists) So that is 5-6year long. And might i add that this was 3 year after BW came out yet people now already want a game that is not even 3 year old, has no expansions to do the same. People want SC2 after 3 years to be anywhere near BW after 3 years? Stunning conclusion. SC2 hasn't only had 3 years, too. It's had 3 years of active life + development time + lessons learned from SC1/BW being out for ages. If you say that the game needs expansions, you're also admitting the game is incomplete right now, which doesn't help your point much.
Saying the game needs an expansion is not admitting the game is incomplete, it's saying it needs evolution. Why take his words and say he said something he did not?
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On January 18 2013 03:43 MyNameIsAlex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 02:33 Senshin wrote:
I didnt miss anything but what reign?
Where is nestea and MC now, they already getting outlucked, they are not good enough to have these names like in BW ( and never will get because there is to much luck involved)
In Bw you had big names like yellow, iloveoov, boxer, nada, elky, nazgul, people that where really better on a constant level and longer play and I always will remember this.
Now you have here is mister unknown from south korea beating the crap out other progamers, this are things i dont remember happening in BW, in BW big names did big things, they always ended up high and winning, and the lesser player was also there, but most of the times they did lose or they would become better over time.
There are so much players, one of them wins and then silent goes to the background in time.
I dont know really to explain, but it's what i feel about and maybe i am wrong. i have news for you, nestea is back. Mr Unknown? LOL are you joking? Was HyuN or Life Mr Unknown? Everyone and their mother was saying Hyun was an online beast months before the IPL streak, and everyone knew there was huge potential in Life. You compare a complete game with a 12 year history (and established players) vs a new game, that is still being developed. plz. Give it some time and the HotS expansion (which will fix alot of things) and things will get a lot better. But its not that volatile as you describe
Nestea looked terrible in his U&D group and will get completely crushed in code S.
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Oh boy . . . one of these threads
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On January 20 2013 02:02 Emzeeshady wrote:
Well Code S players just went 7-1 yesterday in Proleague :p
7-2
+ Show Spoiler +Soulkey 1-1
Bogus 4-0
Baby 0-1
Stephano 2-0
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@OP: Because gsl =/= proleague in terms of everything. If there will be an OSL free for all then that's gonna be a more legit comparison.
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