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TheDougler

Canada8307 Posts

January 15 2013 18:14 GMT

#61

I agree, they should announce patch dates a week ahead of time.

Novacute

Australia313 Posts

January 15 2013 18:16 GMT

#62

Golden has a very valid point. Online tourneys rely on the latest patch for it to even happen. In official live events, they usually notify the particular version in which they play in (i think).

Novacute

Australia313 Posts

January 15 2013 18:16 GMT

#63

Golden has a very valid point. Online tourneys rely on the latest patch for it to even happen. This obviously affects the preparation which could lead to winning the tourney or losing, especially when a major patch is introduced. (Ghost snipe nerf) In official live events, they usually notify the particular version in which they play in (i think).

Skytt

Scotland333 Posts

January 15 2013 18:18 GMT

#64

On January 16 2013 03:12 vthree wrote:

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On January 16 2013 03:00 Plansix wrote:

On January 16 2013 02:52 vthree wrote:

On January 16 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:

On January 16 2013 01:55 vthree wrote:

On January 16 2013 01:46 Plansix wrote:

On January 16 2013 01:32 ikh wrote:

On January 16 2013 01:13 Al Bundy wrote:
You are a pro, I'm sure you'll have no problem adapting. This patch is not exactly ground breaking, it's not like they overhauled the whole gameplay or something. Besides, basically every single progamer is in the same situation as you, so the field is leveled.

Reminds me of these football players who complain that they couldn't play to the best of their ability because it was raining that day.

this patch doesn't come with a leveled playing field where everyone is in the same situation, it's beneficial to two of the three races. i'm not sure you properly appreciate how significant the change in this patch is for late game zerg infestor play. and your metaphor isn't exactly fitting as football is not a game subject to semi-regular balance changes. i would expect football players to be clamoring for advance notice if the size of the field or the goal, or maybe the weight of the ball or the duration of the periods were to be changed overnight.

much like all balance patches to sc2, this changes the way the game is played. asking to know when these changes happen is not a request made to make progamers' lives easier. it's to not make it harder.

Although I understand Golden’s point of view, this patch was telegraphed for weeks and Blizzard rarely gives notice of when they patch. DB tweeted that they were going to look at the infestor after holiday break several weeks age. DK posted the proposed changes recently as well. Although Golden did not know exactly when the change is coming, players knew it was on the way.

I really feel that some of the burden falls on players to anticipate a patch coming and adjust their play around it. Also, coaches and teams need to try to stay up to date on this stuff, rather than relying on blizzard notify every professional gamer or post their patch date in advance.

People comparing a new patch to weather in a live sports event are close to the mark. Some teams play in domes and don’t need to worry about weather. However, they can’t complain when they fly to an away game and it is raining. Zergs knew the nerf was coming and even knew what was likely to be changed.

In short, it would be nice, but professionals need to prepare for patches as well.

Lol, the sports comparison is so far off. Firstly, comparing to weather is stupid because the weather is not controlled by humans. It would be like players adapting to not ideal ping/lag which they do.

A patch is something determined by Blizzard which changes the rule set of the games. It would be like an NBA game changing to 16 minutes a quarter instead of 15. Do you think they would do that in mid season without warning?

Also, stadiums that have retractable roofs have to tell the opposing team whether the roof will be open or close. Why do you think that is?

I will agree that Blizzards should have provided a heads up that they planned to ship out the balance patch this week. However, the larger issue is that a rule change is not governed by hardware. What if Blizzard told everyone the day the patch was going to be pushed out, but then their Korean servers had an error and were unable to update for a day or two? Then they would have NA, EU with one set of rules, while Korea has another. It is a difficult position for Blizzard and I don't think we can expect every patch to drop at the exact same time. After all, they can only patch during buisness hours, since you need the staff there to make sure the server does not crap out.

I respect where players are coming from, but problem can be solved by both Blizzard providing dates when they plan to patch, but players and coaches anticipating the patch coming. The days of "Its all Blizzards fault for patching the game before X event," are over. People have enough notice on what is going to change most of the time and the better players/team are going to start planning before the patch hits.

Did you even read OP's post? He was only asking for Blizzard to provide dates as to when they plan to release the patch. Of course, if there are unforeseen issues, then everyone will have to deal with it.

And you better teams/player will plan for patch is not correct either. You don't spend time practicing new builds because a patch 'might' hit. Because you are taking time from your 'old' builds.

Why do you think almost all the tournament have already announced when they are going to switch to HoTS. Do you think it would be fun for the players if they came to the first day of Code S of season 2 and then just found out they are playing HoTS(assuming no previous announcement)? Using your argument, players and teams should be preparing for both WoL and HoTS...

Don't take my arguments and apply them to things I was not talking about. This is about a patch with a single balance change to a single ability, not an expansion. If this was HotS and an event switch over at the last moment, I would have a very different opinion and you know it.

And the player that says "Blizzard is going to nerft infested terrans in the next few weeks, so I can't rely on them as much as I used to. I should practice and try to use them less." and turns that practice into a win when the patch comes out, is the better player. I don't know how you argue that they are not.

NO. He would be a player that is doing a coin flip because his builds would be not be optimized if the patch didn't go in. Your argument only works if he has enough time to prepare for patch and no patch fully. But this is obviously not the case.

I used the HoTS example because it magnifies the issue. If your argument is that the patch is insignificant, so it is ok that there is no warning, I still think it is a BAD one.

His build where he doesn't have 3/3 on his infested terrans so his free units don't do as much damage and die faster?

Golden makes a valid point that Blizzard don't tell people that they will be patching until the last minute, I'm sure they'd appreciate a bigger heads up going into tournaments especially when bigger changes happen.

SC2 needs a tournament version, but the technology probably isn't there ;;

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

January 15 2013 18:20 GMT

#65

On January 16 2013 03:09 ikh wrote:
i take it back when i said i mostly agree with plansix

So you totally agree with me? Great!

To be serious, I think Blizzard dropped the ball on this patch or they did didn't mean to push the balance changes out at all. I can't tell which. My main problem isn't with Golden's complaint(which is reasonable), but the idea that players like to blame Blizzard for changing the game right before an event. After nearly three years of SC2 and Blizzard highlighting what is going to be changed in the upcomming patch, I sort of expect teams and players to prepare for it in some way. At some point, I started to ask "Why were you not prepared for this at all? You knew it was coming at some point and you would not get a lot of notice."

But Blizzard did drop the ball by not letting people know the balance changes were comming this week. I can only assume they have a lot going on with patching both WOL and HotS and this slipped through.

EliteSK

Korea (South)251 Posts

January 15 2013 18:21 GMT

#66

I understand his view and it makes perfect sense.

If there is ANY Balance Change, it affects gameplay noticable to viewers or not, and it'd be nice to say "We have --- patch coming next tue/specified date" It's not very hard for them to make some announcement/thread/post to just say that one line and copy/paste patch notes.

2muchSWAG

76 Posts

January 15 2013 18:22 GMT

#67

Let's see...none of the top tier players like Life, Leenock, Nestea, DRG, Stephano, Idra or any other Zerg with actual tournament wins complains about this. I'd say this is just failure to adapt quick enough. He should be able to adapt his SKILL that way he would not have to complain about useless things. Maybe if he won a tournament or two he'd know that patch dates are not necessary. A good player does not need to know before hand. A good player would just adapt to what ever nerfs or buffs and still win.

User was temp banned for this post.

Skytt

Scotland333 Posts

January 15 2013 18:23 GMT

#68

On January 16 2013 03:21 EliteSK wrote:
I understand his view and it makes perfect sense.

If there is ANY Balance Change, it affects gameplay noticable to viewers or not, and it'd be nice to say "We have --- patch coming next tue/specified date" It's not very hard for them to make some announcement/thread/post to just say that one line and copy/paste patch notes.

They can easily a news post on the launcher, it would be the perfect place for it to be.

ikh

United Kingdom251 Posts

January 15 2013 18:25 GMT

#69

On January 16 2013 03:22 2muchSWAG wrote:
Let's see...none of the top tier players like Life, Leenock, Nestea, DRG, Stephano, Idra or any other Zerg with actual tournament wins complains about this. I'd say this is just failure to adapt quick enough. He should be able to adapt his SKILL that way he would not have to complain about useless things. Maybe if he won a tournament or two he'd know that patch dates are not necessary. A good player does not need to know before hand. A good player would just adapt to what ever nerfs or buffs and still win.

i can't tell whether this is serious or a fakepost. i'm getting bad with forums i guess.

usethis2

2164 Posts

January 15 2013 18:26 GMT

#70

Agree with most. Whoever compared a patch with weather is.. beyond rescue. I did not know Blizzard could control weather around the world. We expect a certain level of reasonableness in life, and informing the patch date (if there will be) can only help the community. I don't see any negative of such.

Not only the uncertainty makes progamers life difficult, but what I don't like about game developers (not just Blizzard) is that often times they change certain things deliberately and do not mention in the patch notes. Those practices need to be called out, too.

jinorazi

Korea (South)4948 Posts

January 15 2013 18:27 GMT

#71

blizzard has some very weird patch schedule, like fruitdealer's road to finals. i dont know if the ultralisk bug was during semi or final, but that shit was rediculous

usethis2

2164 Posts

January 15 2013 18:27 GMT

#72

On January 16 2013 03:25 ikh wrote:

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i can't tell whether this is serious or a fakepost. i'm getting bad with forums i guess.

Me neither. I'm logging off and getting out to lunch. What an idiotic post (the one you quoted)

GeneralSnoop

United States142 Posts

January 15 2013 18:39 GMT

#73

Cool! Golden is on TL! Good post, and the english was not bad at all. You are totally right, even delaying a patch by couple of days in order to give advance notice would be better than just surprising everyone at a tournament.

BronzeKnee

United States5219 Posts

January 15 2013 18:42 GMT

#74

On January 16 2013 00:45 Golden wrote:

thanks . sorry for noob english <3

Even with your Silver League English, we all understood.

Unfortunately Blizzard could do a lot of things to make life easier for everyone, but doesn't (a good start would be listening to the community more). Would be pretty awesome if they released patch dates for pro-gamers and tournament organizers though wouldn't it...

Zheryn

Sweden3653 Posts

January 15 2013 18:43 GMT

#75

Did you read his post? Adapting to these kind of changes will take time to figure out more optimal builds etc, you won't just do it in a few hours. I also have no idea why you think "every single progamer" is playing zerg all of a sudden.

They should definately announce these kind of changes in advance instead of just applying them over a night.

2muchSWAG

76 Posts

January 15 2013 18:49 GMT

#76

On January 16 2013 03:43 Zheryn wrote:

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Exactly why he hasn't won a tournament nor is he a top tier Zerg. He can't adapt as fast as a Leenock or Life would. I am not saying GOLDEN IS A BAD PLAYER by any means, just saying he is a slow thinking player.

Just like how in school there are students who figure things out relatively fast, and there are students who are slow as hell, but that does not mean that THE SLOW STUDENTS ARE RETARDED FAILURES WITH NO FUTURE. Everyone is different, some take longer to adapt and some take less time.

Golden is one of those who take forever to adapt to even the smallest changes.

Poopi

France12911 Posts

January 15 2013 18:50 GMT

#77

Wow the IdrA swag troll is on this topic too! What an honor.

Regarding the topic, maybe they should give different sc2 versions to the big tourneys organizers, in which you can chose the patch you will play on?

AnachronisticAnarchy

United States2957 Posts

January 15 2013 18:59 GMT

#78

It would definitely be nice for this to happen, but it depends heavily on the process behind patching. If, for instance, they launch out patches as soon as possible, it may be hard for them to predict when the patch comes out well in advance and know what the patch will entail.

Romitelli

Brunei Darussalam566 Posts

January 15 2013 19:00 GMT

#79

On January 16 2013 03:49 2muchSWAG wrote:

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I'd be interested in finding out how you consider yourself able to judge which progamers are "fast" or "slow" to adapt to certain balace patches. It's fair to say that the IT upgrade nerf is quite significant, and it's totally understable why a professional, whose livelihood depends on playing the game optimally, wants a decent amount of time in order to adapt his play accordingly.

If you disagree with Golden, you are free to say so and post your arguments, but mindlessly "bashing" on his skills is completely useless and offensive.

Mortal

2943 Posts

January 15 2013 19:06 GMT

#80

On January 16 2013 03:08 ninjamyst wrote:

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You are not a pro so please dont assume whether they have a problem adapting or not. He's asking for common courtesy, to be notified of balance changes in a game in which he plays professionally, in which he makes his living on.

which he's doing on a public forum which doesn't matter at all. post it on b.net forums or you're literally just whining about it. i completely agree there should be notification of when the patch will be, but he's going about it all wrong.

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