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agreed, but i don't think this is the right place to complain. battle.net forums should be more effective.
edit: to go further in detail: I don't know about patches itself. I don't think it is needed that every patch should be announced or whatever. I do think, however, that change with regard to balance should be communicated early compared to other changes, announce it maybe when logging in a few days before the actual patch. In this case, the actual patch (or balance change, or how one wants to call it) could've been implemented 2 days after the decision to implement the patch, purely for communicational purposes.
On January 16 2013 07:32 KawaiiRice wrote:
blizzard already has a history of patching right before big tournaments multiple times... I went into one MLG with only a speed reaper expo build TvP.. got off the plane and friend texts me reaper speed required a factory. #yolo i'm very sorry, but this made me laugh a little bit. Reminds me a bit of murphy's law.
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Despite the strong reason why they should there is a reason why Blizzard doesnt typically announce patch dates in advance For WoW you typically do get about 2 weeks notice for major patches if you pay attention but for SC2 you are typically blindsided and the reason for both is that if they announce the date then decide to delay the patch by a week for various reasons then they would take heat for that as well.
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It would be cool to know the patch date but with tournaments 24/7 I doubt this would actually fix the problem.
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yeah if Blizzard could inform progamers a little bit sooner... that'd be great
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blizzard already has a history of patching right before big tournaments multiple times... I went into one MLG with only a speed reaper expo build TvP.. got off the plane and friend texts me reaper speed required a factory. #yolo
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well i agree with you golden, blizzard need to tell when they are going to patch.
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Yeah i would like to see this for pro gamers. It will help them know when it will be out before tournaments.
Blizzard should do this. Makes it easier for pros.
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1) It was released as testable on a map... not sure if they said "We plan on making this a live change on Tuesday". They should, or in the days leading up to the live change, they need to make sure that's more clear
2) It's the responsibility of the manager to effectively communicate to the players when this is going on.
3) Anything else I'm missing here?
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On January 16 2013 08:20 Ero-Sennin wrote:
1) It was released as testable on a map... not sure if they said "We plan on making this a live change on Tuesday". They should, or in the days leading up to the live change, they need to make sure that's more clear
2) It's the responsibility of the manager to effectively communicate to the players when this is going on.
3) Anything else I'm missing here?
That was kind of goldens post, He didnt know which version to practice on and prepare for because he didnt know which version was going to be used. He even said he would have played the test map more if he knew. They never announced when, or even hinted at it besides, a TLDR we are going to release a testmap and essentially the whole blizzard soon(tm)...
As far as managers go, They probably didnt know either, as it was blizzards decision. Which is why it should be made more clear when blizzard is making a change. Granted yes everyone knew odds are that the change was coming soon, but when? Could have been last week, this week, next week, 2 weeks from now etc... But its a waste of time to practice with something the tournament your competing in isnt using.
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On January 16 2013 03:18 Skytt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 03:12 vthree wrote:On January 16 2013 03:00 Plansix wrote:On January 16 2013 02:52 vthree wrote:On January 16 2013 02:35 Plansix wrote:On January 16 2013 01:55 vthree wrote:On January 16 2013 01:46 Plansix wrote:On January 16 2013 01:32 ikh wrote:On January 16 2013 01:13 Al Bundy wrote:
You are a pro, I'm sure you'll have no problem adapting. This patch is not exactly ground breaking, it's not like they overhauled the whole gameplay or something. Besides, basically every single progamer is in the same situation as you, so the field is leveled.
Reminds me of these football players who complain that they couldn't play to the best of their ability because it was raining that day. this patch doesn't come with a leveled playing field where everyone is in the same situation, it's beneficial to two of the three races. i'm not sure you properly appreciate how significant the change in this patch is for late game zerg infestor play. and your metaphor isn't exactly fitting as football is not a game subject to semi-regular balance changes. i would expect football players to be clamoring for advance notice if the size of the field or the goal, or maybe the weight of the ball or the duration of the periods were to be changed overnight. much like all balance patches to sc2, this changes the way the game is played. asking to know when these changes happen is not a request made to make progamers' lives easier. it's to not make it harder. Although I understand Golden’s point of view, this patch was telegraphed for weeks and Blizzard rarely gives notice of when they patch. DB tweeted that they were going to look at the infestor after holiday break several weeks age. DK posted the proposed changes recently as well. Although Golden did not know exactly when the change is coming, players knew it was on the way. I really feel that some of the burden falls on players to anticipate a patch coming and adjust their play around it. Also, coaches and teams need to try to stay up to date on this stuff, rather than relying on blizzard notify every professional gamer or post their patch date in advance. People comparing a new patch to weather in a live sports event are close to the mark. Some teams play in domes and don’t need to worry about weather. However, they can’t complain when they fly to an away game and it is raining. Zergs knew the nerf was coming and even knew what was likely to be changed. In short, it would be nice, but professionals need to prepare for patches as well. Lol, the sports comparison is so far off. Firstly, comparing to weather is stupid because the weather is not controlled by humans. It would be like players adapting to not ideal ping/lag which they do. A patch is something determined by Blizzard which changes the rule set of the games. It would be like an NBA game changing to 16 minutes a quarter instead of 15. Do you think they would do that in mid season without warning? Also, stadiums that have retractable roofs have to tell the opposing team whether the roof will be open or close. Why do you think that is? I will agree that Blizzards should have provided a heads up that they planned to ship out the balance patch this week. However, the larger issue is that a rule change is not governed by hardware. What if Blizzard told everyone the day the patch was going to be pushed out, but then their Korean servers had an error and were unable to update for a day or two? Then they would have NA, EU with one set of rules, while Korea has another. It is a difficult position for Blizzard and I don't think we can expect every patch to drop at the exact same time. After all, they can only patch during buisness hours, since you need the staff there to make sure the server does not crap out. I respect where players are coming from, but problem can be solved by both Blizzard providing dates when they plan to patch, but players and coaches anticipating the patch coming. The days of "Its all Blizzards fault for patching the game before X event," are over. People have enough notice on what is going to change most of the time and the better players/team are going to start planning before the patch hits. Did you even read OP's post? He was only asking for Blizzard to provide dates as to when they plan to release the patch. Of course, if there are unforeseen issues, then everyone will have to deal with it. And you better teams/player will plan for patch is not correct either. You don't spend time practicing new builds because a patch 'might' hit. Because you are taking time from your 'old' builds. Why do you think almost all the tournament have already announced when they are going to switch to HoTS. Do you think it would be fun for the players if they came to the first day of Code S of season 2 and then just found out they are playing HoTS(assuming no previous announcement)? Using your argument, players and teams should be preparing for both WoL and HoTS... Don't take my arguments and apply them to things I was not talking about. This is about a patch with a single balance change to a single ability, not an expansion. If this was HotS and an event switch over at the last moment, I would have a very different opinion and you know it. And the player that says "Blizzard is going to nerft infested terrans in the next few weeks, so I can't rely on them as much as I used to. I should practice and try to use them less." and turns that practice into a win when the patch comes out, is the better player. I don't know how you argue that they are not. NO. He would be a player that is doing a coin flip because his builds would be not be optimized if the patch didn't go in. Your argument only works if he has enough time to prepare for patch and no patch fully. But this is obviously not the case. I used the HoTS example because it magnifies the issue. If your argument is that the patch is insignificant, so it is ok that there is no warning, I still think it is a BAD one. His build where he doesn't have 3/3 on his infested terrans so his free units don't do as much damage and die faster? Golden makes a valid point that Blizzard don't tell people that they will be patching until the last minute, I'm sure they'd appreciate a bigger heads up going into tournaments especially when bigger changes happen. SC2 needs a tournament version, but the technology probably isn't there ;;
Speaking of that, I don't think anyone asked Dustin Browder if they'll add a tournament version of SC2.
They clearly have old versions (that's how replays work), they just need to make them work online.
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I appreciate your frustration, I would feel the same way.
Here's to the day when the game is balanced and we don't need these anymore.
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I completely agree. Pros should know when patches are coming way before the rest of us. This game pays people's bills.
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It's blizzard, when have we ever gotten a solid date? I know your complaint is valid, but blizzard has never been on time for anything, I truly believe HotS will be delayed as well.
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blizzard being a mess and unorganized as usual
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On January 16 2013 10:32 emc wrote:
It's blizzard, when have we ever gotten a solid date? I know your complaint is valid, but blizzard has never been on time for anything, I truly believe HotS will be delayed as well.
Sure, but you can still delay patches on purpose for the sole reason of actually being able to provide a date (and accurate patch notes). As in, when the patch is actually 100% ready for deployment, instead of deploying it immediately, they announce it will be deployed a week later.
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They can easily put a rule like : patchs are released either on 1st or 15th of the month. So, if you know a patch is incomming, then you can assume it will be released or not before a tournament...
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So, looking back apparently alot of zerg were caught off guard with the patch. only 20% managed to pass the round, where it should've been around 50%. :o
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Valid point. If there is a change in balance, then pros should be able to prepare and practice the new balance before playing games where money/ranking/nerd pride is on the line.
I think it was Sheth that had the idea of a Zeta server, where they keep the pre-patch balance for tournaments to use if they push out a balance patch right as tournament is about to start.
Either give them time to practice, or give them the ability to play on the previous patch for the tournament.
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It is not possible to know when patch is gonna go live, they release it when it is ready.
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On January 19 2013 07:49 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
It is not possible to know when patch is gonna go live, they release it when it is ready.
Blizzard can always delay the patch once it is ready. Announce balance changes, wait 3 days, release patch.
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