Nope. Not realistic that fungals cannot be chain casted. I like the "slow instead of root" idea much much more. Even though its science fiction, but good SF should always have plausible tech and tactics.

Shield

Bulgaria4824 Posts

January 11 2013 23:22 GMT

#262

Either fungal can't stun like now or that IT nerf. Can't be both. ^^

Setev

Malaysia390 Posts

January 11 2013 23:26 GMT

#263

I prefer to remove fungal stun and sub with slow. Why nerfing fungal will cause muta wars in ZvZ? Shouldn't players incorporate hydras?

MasterOfPuppets

Romania6942 Posts

January 11 2013 23:28 GMT

#264

On January 12 2013 08:16 Setev wrote:

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See, this is a matter of gameplay vs lore, what is fun and what is accurate. I don't necessarily agree with what Traceback said, but I'm just pointing out that this facet of the argument that you're bringing up is already irrelevant. If the gameplay were more based on lore and as you put it, "plausible tech and tactics" well it should be pretty obvious it would be broken as all hell and not one bit of fun. Obviously Zerg would not have the same low supply cap as the others, meanwhile Protoss should have battleships that can "purify" entire planets as they've done before with Chau Sara and... yeah you see where this is going.

Fungal as a slowing spell though, now that's actually a good idea. If only they weren't so stubborn and would let us experiment with it. -_-

Baum

Germany1010 Posts

January 11 2013 23:32 GMT

#265

On January 12 2013 06:27 DavoS wrote:
Makes sense, the biggest issue in TvZ I've experienced is even if you get a big mech army, Zerg can spam infested Terran and kill your army immediately because it's not mobile

I completely agree. Just yesterday I had a game where I was fully maxed on under 40 SCVs with Thor Hellion Vikin Raven Tank and my opponent dumped a bachillion infested terrans on me and it wasn't even close.

_switch

Australia9 Posts

January 11 2013 23:33 GMT

#266

while we are at it how about we nerf immortals

mazqo

Finland368 Posts

January 11 2013 23:35 GMT

#267

Like nerfing little bit infestors will help anything. Its like increasing medivac healing from 9hp/s -> 10hp/s, doesn't fix the fundamental flaws in the game like how much easier and forgiving zerg/toss are compared to terran. Also these infestor nerfs only courages lategame play where these nerfs apply. Just revert the queen buff, thx bye.

Sigmur

Poland497 Posts

January 11 2013 23:37 GMT

#268

5-6 nerfs more and we will have a balanced game. In 2015 I think tho.

D_K_night

Canada615 Posts

January 11 2013 23:40 GMT

#269

Wait a second, just thought of an alternative way to adjust the Infestor.

Could it be that, the combination of both Infested Terrans and fungal is too much? What if the player had to choose between one, or the other?

For example, after you use fungal - it enforces a long cooldown which also affects the Infested Terran ability. Meaning if you choose to use a fungal - fine - you just can't launch any IT eggs until the CD is over.

But if all you wanna do is repeatedly launch the IT eggs - no problem, have at it. But no fungal for you.

Deleted User 183001

2939 Posts

January 11 2013 23:52 GMT

#270

Personally I think one reason Blizzard is afraid of making FG slow down units rather than freezing them because then it would be too much like the BW Queen's Ensnare ability.

looken

727 Posts

January 12 2013 00:07 GMT

#271

[...]
The change is good, but so late and so obvious that it really frustrates me, many Terran/Protoss players that could've been getting more prize money, but wasn't rewarded due to imbalance.

i wouldn't start that discussion. remember the first maps where siege tanks could fire from the T natural to the zergs..?

aksfjh

United States4853 Posts

January 12 2013 00:26 GMT

#272

On January 12 2013 08:52 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Personally I think one reason Blizzard is afraid of making FG slow down units rather than freezing them because then it would be too much like the BW Queen's Ensnare ability.

Or maybe because the same problem would exist with a snare as a root. As other people have said, back when it was a 8 second root, nobody complained. Partially because we rarely saw infestors, but the root wasn't seen as broken back then.

The problems with facing infestors has always been that the damage is guaranteed, it can kill, and it can be chained safely. Changing it to a snare doesn't change any of those things. Either the snare is inconsequential and it should just be removed altogether, or the snare is just as good as the root and people will complain/cheer about a nerf that does nothing. The only situation a snare works well (but not as well as a root) is when you have to catch up to a unit or kite, which isn't a problem with Zerg at ANY stage in the game. This is why concussive shells are great before stim and forgotten after.

ITs are a little different in that they are just cheap on energy. After a relatively short period of time of being used up, infestors can be useful again with at least 1 more IT added to the swarm.

eleaf

526 Posts

January 12 2013 00:27 GMT

#273

So sad that ppl wont even bother to discuss infestors anymore. After a whole day & balance topic about infestors only get 14 pages? Well this sucks.

HeyImFinn

United States250 Posts

January 12 2013 00:37 GMT

#274

Snipe proves too good: Nerfed into the ground within three months

Infestor proves too good: Experiencing light nerfs after almost a year.

nailertn

48 Posts

January 12 2013 00:47 GMT

#275

On January 12 2013 07:14 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
since infestors are the only thing keeping Z cost efficient against bio balls, nerfing fungal is retarded, nerfing ITs is fine I guess.

Banelings are alive and well. Just because there is a superior - brokenly so - alternative doesn't mean they don't work. Not even code S level micro is consistent enough against them to warrant the tag 'cost effective', never mind the other 99.9% of the player base. Not to mention they are infinitely more exciting to watch than mass fungal.

mierin

United States4943 Posts

January 12 2013 00:50 GMT

#276

Threads like these make me really miss BW....

SupLilSon

Malaysia4123 Posts

January 12 2013 00:55 GMT

#277

On January 12 2013 09:27 eleaf wrote:
So sad that ppl wont even bother to discuss infestors anymore. After a whole day & balance topic about infestors only get 14 pages? Well this sucks.

I think most of the Zergs who would have come and argued have long since realize that Infestors are in fact broken and take away shitton of fun in the game on both sides of the equation.

furerkip

United States439 Posts

January 12 2013 00:56 GMT

#278

Why not just make Fungal a spore-like area, sorta like storm, which slows down units and does damage at the same time (sorta like Psi Storm, but just belabours getting out of it)...

When I think fungal, I get spores in my mind, not getting stuck in an area for 5 seconds.

Rassy

Netherlands2308 Posts

January 12 2013 01:47 GMT

#279

There is no problem with infestors broodlords.
The real problem is the rootable spinecrawler.
Without rootable spinecrawlers the broodlord infestor army can easily be dealt with in a fair fight.

HeeroFX

United States2704 Posts

January 12 2013 01:53 GMT

#280

I wish blizzard read the forums Lol. I' did once piss off browder aka rock by saying "blizzard doesn't read the forums."
Of course he responded and said he reads them every morning.