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Interview: IdrA & DeMusliM discuss HotS balance - Page 2

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mTwRINE
Profile Joined February 2006
Germany318 Posts
December 30 2012 01:35 GMT
#21
Idra and Demuslim both known for accurate balance discussion. Will be a nice watch.
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
December 30 2012 01:45 GMT
#22
Demuslim is spot on with his Raven=Shit BC comparison.

Also IdrA calling HOTS infesters bad units, lul.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 01:47:33
December 30 2012 01:46 GMT
#23
did anyone else chuckle at the same photos for each player? haha

edit: aw it changed
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
December 30 2012 01:54 GMT
#24
On December 30 2012 09:02 KanoCoke wrote:
I agree with DeMuslim completely. Terran needs better units in HoTS, as they're pretty stale compared to what Zerg and Protoss got.

The warhound and shredder were very bad ideas, so they should've consulted more regarding unit concepts and design. I hope they make a few good units before release though, as they're running out of time.

The problem was that Terran was already so diverse in WoL while the other two were pretty linear (especially Zerg). There were so many openings for Terran that if a Zerg didn't have perfect scouting (lolgoodluck) they would just flat out die. That's why so many nerfs were introduced to Terran specifically.

Now Blizzard is doing what they should have done in the first place, by giving the other races more options to help balance it out rather than nerfing existing units.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
December 30 2012 02:01 GMT
#25
I'd be curious about what Idra thinks about swarmhost+detection snipe in zvp. I foresee a lot of easy zerg wins if things stay the way they are.
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
December 30 2012 02:09 GMT
#26
Blizzard is biased toward zerg and protoss. Even Morhaime plays terran. DK and DB should buff terran if they don't want to be fired because Morhaime is pissed that he couldn't get out of bronze.
tronix
Profile Joined November 2010
United States95 Posts
December 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#27
mech needs some serious love.
Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 02:19:18
December 30 2012 02:18 GMT
#28
Thanks for the interview guys. I hope that Blizz reads into demuslim's comments and that more people share his ideas. I'm not seeing how Terran is gaining new strategies and diversity from HotS. The comparison of the raven to the battle cruiser is spot on and it raises questions as to the use of the yamato canon. With the buff bio is getting, blizzard really needs new ideas with mech.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 02:28:58
December 30 2012 02:27 GMT
#29
terran is really strong vs protoss atm, just watch supernovas stream. the new medivak abilities are INSANELY strong especially when you factor in the blink nerf.. its so hard to react to drops and even when you do its almost impossible to snipe the medivak. also, the new healing upgrade negates AOE damage soooooo well, it makes terrans lategame army so powerful and cost effective T_T

and out of all the zerg units the ultralisk is by far the most broken unit, voidrays are also too stong
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lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 30 2012 02:32 GMT
#30
They don't seem to address the fact that toss is underpowered in HOTS. Toss units are designed to craete more hard counters, not less.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 30 2012 02:34 GMT
#31
On December 30 2012 10:45 Hypemeup wrote:
Demuslim is spot on with his Raven=Shit BC comparison.

Also IdrA calling HOTS infesters bad units, lul.

I guarantee is interview was before his vacation which was before infestors buff.
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birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
December 30 2012 02:34 GMT
#32
Very interesting read! Thank you for posting it.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
December 30 2012 02:50 GMT
#33
On December 30 2012 10:54 Dosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 09:02 KanoCoke wrote:
I agree with DeMuslim completely. Terran needs better units in HoTS, as they're pretty stale compared to what Zerg and Protoss got.

The warhound and shredder were very bad ideas, so they should've consulted more regarding unit concepts and design. I hope they make a few good units before release though, as they're running out of time.

The problem was that Terran was already so diverse in WoL while the other two were pretty linear (especially Zerg). There were so many openings for Terran that if a Zerg didn't have perfect scouting (lolgoodluck) they would just flat out die. That's why so many nerfs were introduced to Terran specifically.

Now Blizzard is doing what they should have done in the first place, by giving the other races more options to help balance it out rather than nerfing existing units.


wait? are you talking about WOL 2010? We live in 2012. Surviving with zerg early game is eaz.
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
December 30 2012 03:06 GMT
#34
Given the timing (Idra hadn't played beta for 2 weeks before the interview), it seems he's talking about the 8-range, slow missile Infestors, which were effectively shit.

The rest of his analysis is spot-on.

Very interesting read, thanks.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
December 30 2012 03:15 GMT
#35
On December 30 2012 11:50 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 10:54 Dosey wrote:
On December 30 2012 09:02 KanoCoke wrote:
I agree with DeMuslim completely. Terran needs better units in HoTS, as they're pretty stale compared to what Zerg and Protoss got.

The warhound and shredder were very bad ideas, so they should've consulted more regarding unit concepts and design. I hope they make a few good units before release though, as they're running out of time.

The problem was that Terran was already so diverse in WoL while the other two were pretty linear (especially Zerg). There were so many openings for Terran that if a Zerg didn't have perfect scouting (lolgoodluck) they would just flat out die. That's why so many nerfs were introduced to Terran specifically.

Now Blizzard is doing what they should have done in the first place, by giving the other races more options to help balance it out rather than nerfing existing units.


wait? are you talking about WOL 2010? We live in 2012. Surviving with zerg early game is eaz.

After how many nerfs? My point was that Terran was already so diverse before infinite nerfs were put in place. Balancing by making units better or putting better units into play is better than funneling all play down into specific routes due to constant nerfing.
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 30 2012 03:29 GMT
#36
Thanks for the interview! I felt exactly the same as Demuslim. I feel the new units were meh and that P and Z got the better end of the deal. Hopefully Blizz will feel the same way and adds in some changes.
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
December 30 2012 03:34 GMT
#37
On December 30 2012 11:27 ROOTT1 wrote:
terran is really strong vs protoss atm, just watch supernovas stream. the new medivak abilities are INSANELY strong especially when you factor in the blink nerf.. its so hard to react to drops and even when you do its almost impossible to snipe the medivak. also, the new healing upgrade negates AOE damage soooooo well, it makes terrans lategame army so powerful and cost effective T_T

and out of all the zerg units the ultralisk is by far the most broken unit, voidrays are also too stong


To be fair supernovas better then like 99% of people who have a beta key. But I do agree, souped up medivacs and also particularly thors are super duper good vs Protoss. Even if I play kinda poorly I never lost when I got to thor/caduceus in my tvp's.
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Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
December 30 2012 04:04 GMT
#38
Does anyone else read every IdrA interview in his voice?
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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
December 30 2012 04:13 GMT
#39
On December 30 2012 13:04 Papulatus wrote:
Does anyone else read every IdrA interview in his voice?

every time
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Watermelonjuice
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada14 Posts
December 30 2012 04:57 GMT
#40
On December 30 2012 13:13 Aveng3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 13:04 Papulatus wrote:
Does anyone else read every IdrA interview in his voice?

every time


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