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Interview: IdrA & DeMusliM discuss HotS balance - Page 3

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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 30 2012 05:00 GMT
#41
On December 30 2012 13:04 Papulatus wrote:
Does anyone else read every IdrA interview in his voice?

I wouldn't be able to read fast enough
Refer to my post.
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
December 30 2012 12:55 GMT
#42
Read everything, thanks for it
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
December 30 2012 13:14 GMT
#43
On December 30 2012 10:27 Qikz wrote:
I'm not quite sure I like Demuslims things he said, then again I guess he does prefer bio. I just think some of the things he's saying are just because he doesn't play mech all that often so doesn't see the importance of like the hellbat in TvP.

I still respect his opinions though, he's a great guy and a fellokw brit. :D

My thoughts exactly... Hellbats aren't really needed, because he plays bio, but what about Mech? Should I use Widow Mines, or Drops? Than again, the same question, what about Mech? He is constantly explaining how new units aren't that good with Bio, while they aren't made for Bio in the first place.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 13:17:45
December 30 2012 13:15 GMT
#44
I agree with DeMusliM, bio is better, mech isn't. I really hope they try to improve mech.....
I do think the hellbat should stay since it's good for the casual player while not interfering with the professional scene.
The reaper needs to be changed again since it forces how you open TvT which is really boring. Both Terran and Zerg might need a new lategame anti-air unit...

Ravens need to get their AoE back, their single target spell sucks.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 30 2012 13:16 GMT
#45
Nice to read some Pro-Opinions.
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
December 30 2012 14:00 GMT
#46
Good interview. Though nothing new said.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 14:09:00
December 30 2012 14:08 GMT
#47
On December 30 2012 09:12 WhiteSatin wrote:
I feel exactly the same way as Demuslim.
Terran got absolutely shitty changes compared to the other races...

The Warhound was a dumb idea, they realized the community thought it was bad - what do they do? "remove it"
Why not add another unit instead ? Why not try to fix it ?

I am hardcore Terran fan and looking at HOTS is depressing right now..
It's like watching Z and P having all these new units and abilities, and T is stuck with the same shit.
I played maybe around 20 games in the beta and never touched it since, still think WoL is funnier despite the terrible status of the game..
I am really worried for the future of Esports as I lost all faith in Blizzard


well Terran was the best designed race in WoL, so it feels natural that they may need alot less changes. To fix inherent design issues.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
December 30 2012 14:34 GMT
#48
On December 30 2012 23:08 freetgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 09:12 WhiteSatin wrote:
I feel exactly the same way as Demuslim.
Terran got absolutely shitty changes compared to the other races...

The Warhound was a dumb idea, they realized the community thought it was bad - what do they do? "remove it"
Why not add another unit instead ? Why not try to fix it ?

I am hardcore Terran fan and looking at HOTS is depressing right now..
It's like watching Z and P having all these new units and abilities, and T is stuck with the same shit.
I played maybe around 20 games in the beta and never touched it since, still think WoL is funnier despite the terrible status of the game..
I am really worried for the future of Esports as I lost all faith in Blizzard


well Terran was the best designed race in WoL, so it feels natural that they may need alot less changes. To fix inherent design issues.



Yup that pretty much sums it up, plus the fact that 3/3 marines + Medivac healing buff will turn those 50 mineral units called marines into slaughter houses. Blizzard have sort of locked themselves into a design problems, as to make Mech viable compared to bio it would be completely overpowered.

Protoss definitely needs changes to make it a better race to play ( still wish warp gate was removed), and hopefully the Zerg infester will get a good Nerf, if the new units round out the race as a whole
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2056 Posts
December 30 2012 14:34 GMT
#49
^

It is true but I still feel like shit being given almost nothing and having to adapt to the new cool stuff that P and Z got. I'm gonna lose my mind on ladder when there will be 14 different Protoss allins coming my way.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 30 2012 14:45 GMT
#50
On December 30 2012 23:34 herMan wrote:
^

It is true but I still feel like shit being given almost nothing and having to adapt to the new cool stuff that P and Z got. I'm gonna lose my mind on ladder when there will be 14 different Protoss allins coming my way.


That's just a question of balancing. Blizzard has shown before that those situations are the ones that get adressed the most.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 14:49:57
December 30 2012 14:48 GMT
#51
Good read. As others have already mentioned; Terrans were the best designed race in WoL (not balance wise, design wise)

I wish the other races would be more "core army" based rather than spellcaster based.

But I understand that with the clumping up, the unlimited amount of selections (I think its 250 thats max amount of units per control-group)

AND the healing from medivacs, bio balls (backed up by Siege tanks and thors in TvZ) would be way too strong without units such as colossus / infestors / sentries.

again, I just wish that there was a way to redesign sc2 to bring back the importance of Gateway units and direct engagement units for zerg.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 30 2012 14:48 GMT
#52
I don't think demuslim is interested in hots TvP mech ^^
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 30 2012 15:00 GMT
#53
a good read. i been outta the hots loop for a few weeks now so its nice to know where things are at ^_^
Elp
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands86 Posts
December 30 2012 16:01 GMT
#54
Couldn't agree more with DeMuslim. HotS is little more than "Bio+" and widow mines. Basically, it took Blizzard two years to come up with a medivac upgrade and a crappy version of the spidermine. Yay.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
December 30 2012 16:05 GMT
#55
A couple of video game players who have less gaming experience than me, talking about game design. Why would I listen to them again? Not to mention these guys are not competitors, they're in it for the money, nothing else.
o choro é livre
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
December 30 2012 16:07 GMT
#56
On December 31 2012 01:05 Al Bundy wrote:
A couple of video game players who have less gaming experience than me, talking about game design. Why would I listen to them again? Not to mention these guys are not competitors, they're in it for the money, nothing else.


If all you care about is money you certainly don't go into progaming you dumbass. :-\
Graphix
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States208 Posts
December 30 2012 16:55 GMT
#57
the medivac upgraded healing seems imbalanced to me
~Jaedong Forever~
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
December 30 2012 17:03 GMT
#58
On December 30 2012 23:08 freetgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 09:12 WhiteSatin wrote:
I feel exactly the same way as Demuslim.
Terran got absolutely shitty changes compared to the other races...

The Warhound was a dumb idea, they realized the community thought it was bad - what do they do? "remove it"
Why not add another unit instead ? Why not try to fix it ?

I am hardcore Terran fan and looking at HOTS is depressing right now..
It's like watching Z and P having all these new units and abilities, and T is stuck with the same shit.
I played maybe around 20 games in the beta and never touched it since, still think WoL is funnier despite the terrible status of the game..
I am really worried for the future of Esports as I lost all faith in Blizzard


well Terran was the best designed race in WoL, so it feels natural that they may need alot less changes. To fix inherent design issues.


I don't understand this at all, why do people keep saying that Terran are the best designed race?
They might have been at the start of Wol or during Beta, but right now its definetely not true.

I'm forced to play bio in tvp and have no natural way to transition out of this.
Same goes for TvZ where you cant transition out of Bio or Mech in a natural way ( kind of changed a bit in hots with mech upgrades now)

Basically you see no change in playstyles anymore, cos nothing else is viable Reaper/Thor/BC/Ghost all scrapped to be almost completely unviable.

On topic now :D
Thanks for these kind of interviews, find them really interesting
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
December 30 2012 17:25 GMT
#59
Terran looks pretty boring. Protoss looks fine. Zerg looks stronger and more varied than ever.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 30 2012 17:54 GMT
#60
On December 30 2012 23:34 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 23:08 freetgy wrote:
On December 30 2012 09:12 WhiteSatin wrote:
I feel exactly the same way as Demuslim.
Terran got absolutely shitty changes compared to the other races...

The Warhound was a dumb idea, they realized the community thought it was bad - what do they do? "remove it"
Why not add another unit instead ? Why not try to fix it ?

I am hardcore Terran fan and looking at HOTS is depressing right now..
It's like watching Z and P having all these new units and abilities, and T is stuck with the same shit.
I played maybe around 20 games in the beta and never touched it since, still think WoL is funnier despite the terrible status of the game..
I am really worried for the future of Esports as I lost all faith in Blizzard


well Terran was the best designed race in WoL, so it feels natural that they may need alot less changes. To fix inherent design issues.



Yup that pretty much sums it up, plus the fact that 3/3 marines + Medivac healing buff will turn those 50 mineral units called marines into slaughter houses. Blizzard have sort of locked themselves into a design problems, as to make Mech viable compared to bio it would be completely overpowered.

Protoss definitely needs changes to make it a better race to play ( still wish warp gate was removed), and hopefully the Zerg infester will get a good Nerf, if the new units round out the race as a whole


Yeah, I don't envy them at all. Can you picture that discussion?

DK: Ok, so we are going to try and make mech play viable in HotS. That means no bio units.

Game Designer A: So you want us to make the factory build something that is as good at the marine? The marine? The 50 minerals killing machine? The core of nearly every balance problem we have in WoL?

DK: Yes, the community has shown us that bio units should not be in mech-style play. Also, we want an upgrade for medivac healing and it make it more energy efficient.

Game Designer B: Ok, so I am going to need the services department to provide me with bottles of Jack Daniels a week. Just expense it directly to my paycheck, I'll use it as a tax write off.
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