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Going4Gold
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom67 Posts
December 28 2012 17:20 GMT
#81
Destiny was right. The problem is that the SC2 Devteam have tried to put their own stamp on Starcraft 2 and make it different from BW. Now we're stuck with a second rate version of Broodwar that fewer and fewer people are playing and watching. Things will turn around with HotS but only for a few month. SC2 is dying.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
December 28 2012 17:29 GMT
#82
On December 29 2012 02:17 tili wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 16:24 Sinensis wrote:
Not anyone, I assure you. Don't speak for all of us like that. I personally think HOTS is glitter on top of shit. A bandage on a quad amputation.


I'm sorry... but why do you even come to a forum where 70% of ALL discussion is about a game you can "shit"?

Why would you just not leave?


The kind of things people say when they don't want to hear the truth.. or at least debate against it.

We come here because some of us still play (I still do.. not very often ,but I still do), and hope that SC2 dev team gets replaced by competent people because we've been waiting for a good sequel for quite a while now. If SC2 was D3-tier, we wouldn't even bother, but there are a few things in game that doesn't make it the deep game that it should be.

And also, Team Liquid is not only about SC2. It's about most MOBAs and BW/SC2, as well as having off-topic discussions. People have the choice of not liking SC2 and still come here.

Dead game.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
December 28 2012 17:39 GMT
#83
not a surprise.

LoL opening day of their winter league 2012 (at a popular gaming convention and with very popular LoL teams, but technically Ro12):
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Auction OSL finals
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On October 27 2012 21:01 GTR wrote:
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and LoL is top of PC bang rankings for a long time (I guess 20 weeks).
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
December 28 2012 17:42 GMT
#84
Am I the only one, who gets way more excited for PL than for GSTL for absolutley no reason. I didnt follow broodwar, the quality of the games is lower, I prefer the allkill format over the 'normal' one, but despite all that i like PL more then GSTL. Is it only because of the FPL?^^
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jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
December 28 2012 18:38 GMT
#85
On December 29 2012 02:42 Zeon0 wrote:
Am I the only one, who gets way more excited for PL than for GSTL for absolutley no reason. I didnt follow broodwar, the quality of the games is lower, I prefer the allkill format over the 'normal' one, but despite all that i like PL more then GSTL. Is it only because of the FPL?^^

one word... EG-TL =P
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
December 28 2012 19:14 GMT
#86
A thread talking about an article about the delay of the OSL derailed into a "SC2 is dying" shitfest? How surprising indeed.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
December 28 2012 22:09 GMT
#87
On December 29 2012 02:19 monkybone wrote:
Do people still believe that blizzard killed BW...?

ofcourse it had an impact
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 28 2012 22:19 GMT
#88
On December 29 2012 02:42 Zeon0 wrote:
Am I the only one, who gets way more excited for PL than for GSTL for absolutley no reason. I didnt follow broodwar, the quality of the games is lower, I prefer the allkill format over the 'normal' one, but despite all that i like PL more then GSTL. Is it only because of the FPL?^^

I've never really liked GSTL, but I'm liking PL
Refer to my post.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
December 28 2012 22:25 GMT
#89
On December 29 2012 03:38 jimbob615 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 02:42 Zeon0 wrote:
Am I the only one, who gets way more excited for PL than for GSTL for absolutley no reason. I didnt follow broodwar, the quality of the games is lower, I prefer the allkill format over the 'normal' one, but despite all that i like PL more then GSTL. Is it only because of the FPL?^^

one word... EG-TL =P

no, its not that. yes, it is one factor for sure, but i also like to watch matches without them.

and i forgot to say: i never like GSTL that much, always preferred GSL by quite a large margin (for example i bought every ticket for GSL since mid 2011, but never bought one for GSTL)
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
December 28 2012 23:05 GMT
#90
On December 29 2012 07:25 Zeon0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 03:38 jimbob615 wrote:
On December 29 2012 02:42 Zeon0 wrote:
Am I the only one, who gets way more excited for PL than for GSTL for absolutley no reason. I didnt follow broodwar, the quality of the games is lower, I prefer the allkill format over the 'normal' one, but despite all that i like PL more then GSTL. Is it only because of the FPL?^^

one word... EG-TL =P

no, its not that. yes, it is one factor for sure, but i also like to watch matches without them.

and i forgot to say: i never like GSTL that much, always preferred GSL by quite a large margin (for example i bought every ticket for GSL since mid 2011, but never bought one for GSTL)


I've always hated the all-kill format.. it promotes a team having one or two star players instead of having a deep roster. I've paid for the GSTL maybe like a month or two, but realized the only time I ever watch it is if I catch it live..

and then I don't watch pvp, pvz nor zvz which are three embarassingly bad matchups to watch. Therefore, with the acutal racial distribution, I simply don't watch much tournaments.
Dead game.
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 28 2012 23:38 GMT
#91
I can see why this happened after OGN got screwed so hard by KeSPA for the English casting rights for PL. Who knows, though, maybe OSL will come back in force?

I agree with many above me, though, I think GSL will remain the premier league in Korea.
Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 28 2012 23:41 GMT
#92
On December 29 2012 02:20 Going4Gold wrote:
Destiny was right. The problem is that the SC2 Devteam have tried to put their own stamp on Starcraft 2 and make it different from BW. Now we're stuck with a second rate version of Broodwar that fewer and fewer people are playing and watching. Things will turn around with HotS but only for a few month. SC2 is dying.


Funny, that's exactly the kind of post people on this thread predicted would surface at the very start.

This is pretty idiotic to think that just because a BW league is not focusing on SC2 as much as LoL it means SC2 was dying. OSL was NEVER a big part of SC2 and probably never will be, at least certainly not as big as it was for BW. The only way idiots on forums could justify statements like "SC2 is dying" would be if a tournament that was ever actually a big asset to SC2 were to stop broadcasting it.
Zealots, not zee-lots. | Never forget, KTViolet, Go)Space. | You will never be as good as By.Flash, and your drops will never be as sick as MMA.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 23:43:33
December 28 2012 23:42 GMT
#93
On December 28 2012 20:09 [F_]aths wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 12:04 Patate wrote:
On December 28 2012 11:32 purakushi wrote:
While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_<


Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams.

The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.

There was less than a year between the release of WC3 and its expansion, there is almost three years between the start of competitive SC2 and Heart of the Swarm. Any hype for SC2 has long died down by now with viewer numbers cut in half since last year. Furthermore, The Frozen Throne had more changes than Heart of the Swarm. (and imo, is likely the better game)

I don't know what happened to Blizzard, but it just seems so odd to me that they have doubled their development time and have gotten less results to show for it.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
December 28 2012 23:43 GMT
#94
I should be totally sad now, but somehow I'm not. I think the SC2 scene is filled with so many highly entertained tournaments that you won't miss it that much.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 00:11:42
December 29 2012 00:07 GMT
#95
--- Nuked ---
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
December 29 2012 00:11 GMT
#96
Rain- the first and last SC2 OSL Champion?
Long live the Boss Toss!
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
December 29 2012 01:07 GMT
#97
On December 29 2012 08:05 Patate wrote:
and then I don't watch pvp, pvz nor zvz which are three embarassingly bad matchups to watch.


I think you mean TvZ instead of PvP.

PvP is fun to watch. But the three matchups I would have mentioned if I was you, gosh.

maru G5L pls
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
December 29 2012 01:12 GMT
#98
On December 29 2012 08:42 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 20:09 [F_]aths wrote:
On December 28 2012 12:04 Patate wrote:
On December 28 2012 11:32 purakushi wrote:
While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_<


Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams.

The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.

There was less than a year between the release of WC3 and its expansion, there is almost three years between the start of competitive SC2 and Heart of the Swarm. Any hype for SC2 has long died down by now with viewer numbers cut in half since last year. Furthermore, The Frozen Throne had more changes than Heart of the Swarm. (and imo, is likely the better game)

I don't know what happened to Blizzard, but it just seems so odd to me that they have doubled their development time and have gotten less results to show for it.

You have no idea what you're talking about in regards to viewer numbers, and the amount of time I've corrected people on this is getting ridiculous. Viewer counts are still rising, there's just so many tournaments the viewers are more spread out. Fr example, why would you give up your weekend to watch NASL, when you could watch IPL next week? Please actually check your facts before blindly jumping on the 'OMG SC2 IS DYING' bandwagon.
Kraidio
Profile Joined May 2011
China133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:20:12
December 29 2012 01:19 GMT
#99
On December 29 2012 10:12 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 08:42 Grumbels wrote:
On December 28 2012 20:09 [F_]aths wrote:
On December 28 2012 12:04 Patate wrote:
On December 28 2012 11:32 purakushi wrote:
While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_<


Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams.

The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.

There was less than a year between the release of WC3 and its expansion, there is almost three years between the start of competitive SC2 and Heart of the Swarm. Any hype for SC2 has long died down by now with viewer numbers cut in half since last year. Furthermore, The Frozen Throne had more changes than Heart of the Swarm. (and imo, is likely the better game)

I don't know what happened to Blizzard, but it just seems so odd to me that they have doubled their development time and have gotten less results to show for it.

You have no idea what you're talking about in regards to viewer numbers, and the amount of time I've corrected people on this is getting ridiculous. Viewer counts are still rising, there's just so many tournaments the viewers are more spread out. Fr example, why would you give up your weekend to watch NASL, when you could watch IPL next week? Please actually check your facts before blindly jumping on the 'OMG SC2 IS DYING' bandwagon.


I'm actually really interested in the numbers/money situation of SC2 right now. If you could, would you demonstrate the information on viewer counts you have? I understand the logic behind your statement, I would just like to see the proof.
A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 01:25:49
December 29 2012 01:22 GMT
#100
On December 29 2012 10:19 Kraidio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 10:12 kollin wrote:
On December 29 2012 08:42 Grumbels wrote:
On December 28 2012 20:09 [F_]aths wrote:
On December 28 2012 12:04 Patate wrote:
On December 28 2012 11:32 purakushi wrote:
While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_<


Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams.

The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.

There was less than a year between the release of WC3 and its expansion, there is almost three years between the start of competitive SC2 and Heart of the Swarm. Any hype for SC2 has long died down by now with viewer numbers cut in half since last year. Furthermore, The Frozen Throne had more changes than Heart of the Swarm. (and imo, is likely the better game)

I don't know what happened to Blizzard, but it just seems so odd to me that they have doubled their development time and have gotten less results to show for it.

You have no idea what you're talking about in regards to viewer numbers, and the amount of time I've corrected people on this is getting ridiculous. Viewer counts are still rising, there's just so many tournaments the viewers are more spread out. Fr example, why would you give up your weekend to watch NASL, when you could watch IPL next week? Please actually check your facts before blindly jumping on the 'OMG SC2 IS DYING' bandwagon.


I'm actually really interested in the numbers/money situation of SC2 right now. If you could, would you demonstrate the information on viewer counts you have? I understand the logic behind your statement, I would just like to see the proof.


If you watch the drunk State of the Game, they have Sundance on and he explains it all. That and they repeatedly talk about the current over saturation in the scene right now. I'm pretty sure I've heard it in other places too, but it's one in the morning right now so I can't be bothered finding them ^^
EDIT: Oh and to those moaning about HOTS here is Artosis' rather sensible take on it:http://scdojo.tumblr.com/post/33810525615/sigh
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