EPTOn January 23 2013 17:18 MikeMM wrote:
And how many viewers DOTA2 streams got yesterday?
I saw 20k viewers.
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On January 23 2013 03:10 MisterFred wrote:
This isn't going to have a major effect. Fact of the matter is the vast majority of people only have one monitor, even in a tech-savvy community like SC2 fans. SC2 viewer numbers ARE going up. In early 2011, I remember being impressed that there were almost always at least 5000 people watching streams. Day9 would get 5k and crush anyone else streaming at the same time, Idra/Destiny would get 3k while Catz & the smaller streamers got 500 or so and moved the totals up to about 5k...
Now it's almost always more than that. For instance right now, at what is NOT a peak time for stream viewing, Idra has almost 1.5k viewers, Stephano has 6.5k viewers, BrakOk has 1k, Dimaga has 500, Sen has 2.7k and a host of players have a few hundred. And at the SAME TIME, the Go4SC2 finals is pulling in 3.5k between its German & Polish language streams. So ok, good time for europe... but that's well over 15k viewers - and Go4SC2 is not inflating this number by much!
So sure, some people's viewers are declining, like Idra's, but the day-in, day-out stream viewer numbers are certainly climbing. Is Day9's viewership changing? Not really. But he's no longer crushing everyone else streaming in his time slot - that's where the numbers are growing.
On January 23 2013 02:53 FromShouri wrote:
and what are the numbers for unique views of people who actually stay on a stream? Someone like me would be counted multiple times as I have multiple streams open at any given time(usually have 2 on my phone 1 on my extra monitor and 1 running on my laptop). Im actually only one viewer that is at most being counted 5 different times. What can I say, I enjoy watching tournaments(its so cool to have pro league vods running while watching hots koth and then some of my fav players personal streams.)
On January 23 2013 02:26 MVega wrote:
It's true. It's really easy to see too. As more and more tournaments are happening and more and more players are streaming not every person can watch all of that content. That leads to people picking their favorites and just watching those. Twitch reps have stated that viewership is UP, just more spread out than it used to be. Tournament organizers have talked about it, professional players have talked about it.
Picking on IdrA as an example for a moment .. He used to get tons of viewers, mostly because at the time he was one of the only foreign zerg players that was streaming and deemed worth watching. Now you can't throw a rock without hitting a player that streams and IdrA is less relevant in the scene than he once was. So the viewers are still there, just not watching the same people they were.
On December 29 2012 11:23 Grumbels wrote:
That just can't be true, viewer numbers are obviously down so much for so many streams/tournaments.
On December 29 2012 10:12 kollin wrote:
You have no idea what you're talking about in regards to viewer numbers, and the amount of time I've corrected people on this is getting ridiculous. Viewer counts are still rising, there's just so many tournaments the viewers are more spread out. Fr example, why would you give up your weekend to watch NASL, when you could watch IPL next week? Please actually check your facts before blindly jumping on the 'OMG SC2 IS DYING' bandwagon.
On December 29 2012 08:42 Grumbels wrote:
There was less than a year between the release of WC3 and its expansion, there is almost three years between the start of competitive SC2 and Heart of the Swarm. Any hype for SC2 has long died down by now with viewer numbers cut in half since last year. Furthermore, The Frozen Throne had more changes than Heart of the Swarm. (and imo, is likely the better game)
I don't know what happened to Blizzard, but it just seems so odd to me that they have doubled their development time and have gotten less results to show for it.
On December 28 2012 20:09 [F_]aths wrote:
The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.
On December 28 2012 12:04 Patate wrote:
Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams.
On December 28 2012 11:32 purakushi wrote:
While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_<
While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_<
Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams.
The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.
There was less than a year between the release of WC3 and its expansion, there is almost three years between the start of competitive SC2 and Heart of the Swarm. Any hype for SC2 has long died down by now with viewer numbers cut in half since last year. Furthermore, The Frozen Throne had more changes than Heart of the Swarm. (and imo, is likely the better game)
I don't know what happened to Blizzard, but it just seems so odd to me that they have doubled their development time and have gotten less results to show for it.
You have no idea what you're talking about in regards to viewer numbers, and the amount of time I've corrected people on this is getting ridiculous. Viewer counts are still rising, there's just so many tournaments the viewers are more spread out. Fr example, why would you give up your weekend to watch NASL, when you could watch IPL next week? Please actually check your facts before blindly jumping on the 'OMG SC2 IS DYING' bandwagon.
That just can't be true, viewer numbers are obviously down so much for so many streams/tournaments.
It's true. It's really easy to see too. As more and more tournaments are happening and more and more players are streaming not every person can watch all of that content. That leads to people picking their favorites and just watching those. Twitch reps have stated that viewership is UP, just more spread out than it used to be. Tournament organizers have talked about it, professional players have talked about it.
Picking on IdrA as an example for a moment .. He used to get tons of viewers, mostly because at the time he was one of the only foreign zerg players that was streaming and deemed worth watching. Now you can't throw a rock without hitting a player that streams and IdrA is less relevant in the scene than he once was. So the viewers are still there, just not watching the same people they were.
and what are the numbers for unique views of people who actually stay on a stream? Someone like me would be counted multiple times as I have multiple streams open at any given time(usually have 2 on my phone 1 on my extra monitor and 1 running on my laptop). Im actually only one viewer that is at most being counted 5 different times. What can I say, I enjoy watching tournaments(its so cool to have pro league vods running while watching hots koth and then some of my fav players personal streams.)
This isn't going to have a major effect. Fact of the matter is the vast majority of people only have one monitor, even in a tech-savvy community like SC2 fans. SC2 viewer numbers ARE going up. In early 2011, I remember being impressed that there were almost always at least 5000 people watching streams. Day9 would get 5k and crush anyone else streaming at the same time, Idra/Destiny would get 3k while Catz & the smaller streamers got 500 or so and moved the totals up to about 5k...
Now it's almost always more than that. For instance right now, at what is NOT a peak time for stream viewing, Idra has almost 1.5k viewers, Stephano has 6.5k viewers, BrakOk has 1k, Dimaga has 500, Sen has 2.7k and a host of players have a few hundred. And at the SAME TIME, the Go4SC2 finals is pulling in 3.5k between its German & Polish language streams. So ok, good time for europe... but that's well over 15k viewers - and Go4SC2 is not inflating this number by much!
So sure, some people's viewers are declining, like Idra's, but the day-in, day-out stream viewer numbers are certainly climbing. Is Day9's viewership changing? Not really. But he's no longer crushing everyone else streaming in his time slot - that's where the numbers are growing.
And how many viewers DOTA2 streams got yesterday?
I saw 20k viewers.
What does Dota's success have to do with the success of SC2?
