• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:29
CEST 04:29
KST 11:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High15
Community News
PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition235.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)96$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 151Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada11Weekly Cups (Sept 22-28): MaxPax double, Zerg wins, PTR12
StarCraft 2
General
ZvT - Army Composition - Slow Lings + Fast Banes PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition 5.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version) Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada Had to smile :)
Tourneys
Tenacious Turtle Tussle Stellar Fest $2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive
Brood War
General
Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On BarrackS' ASL S20 Ro.8 Review&Power of Friendship BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art Current Meta I am doing this better than progamers do. Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
[AI] From Comfort Women to …
Peanutsc
Mental Health In Esports: Wo…
TrAiDoS
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1745 users

[Trans] Where's the OSL? - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
BirdKiller
Profile Joined January 2011
United States428 Posts
December 28 2012 04:11 GMT
#41
Wasn't following OSL SC2 as the content harkened back to the early 2000's especially when compared with the GSL. At least there's going to be less saturation of SC2 competitive scene in Korea for a while, if there is much of a scene to begin with.
PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 04:24:14
December 28 2012 04:23 GMT
#42
These sudden transitions such as the one from BW to SC2 take time. I feel like the first SC2 OSL was really just a practice run to see how production needs to be changed and how to seamlessly transition into a scene that is already used to high-quality broadcasting and production. The imminent expansion is a perfect opportunity for KeSPA to enter the scene; there isn't much left juice in WoL (not to mention viewership numbers will jump with HotS) and the extra time in between expansions will let them polish up their production.
Tracking treasure down
Hey!
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada5 Posts
December 28 2012 04:37 GMT
#43
Well, as other people said already, let's just believe in blizzard and continu supporting the game we love. I mean, the fact that League of Legend is more popular doesn't mean that there is no place for starcraft. Just think of all the pro sports (Football, NFL, NBA, NHL, Baseball), they can all live together, i'm pretty sure Starcraft will still remain popular and people will still play/watch it and stuff
I register for jersey awwww yeaa
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 04:46:19
December 28 2012 04:45 GMT
#44
We all know, however hard people try to forget, that SC1 only became the greatest game in the history of the world once BW was released. Vanilla SC1 wasn't great at all. Same with WC3, another massive hit in Korea. If history is anything to go by, it will be HotS, more likely LotV that brings SC2 the same glory as its parent game.

Hots is a massive improvement on WoL. Anyone whos played in the beta can tell you that.

When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 05:00:12
December 28 2012 04:50 GMT
#45
On December 28 2012 13:10 silent_owl wrote:
Well, I believe in SC2 and I believe in Blizzard. I always took Grubby's advice to heart that Blizzard is working hard on their expansions and have never failed to deliver with their subsequent follow-ups. I'm sure HotS will be better than what I already think is a good game in WoL. And there's no reason to say that LoV could not possibly turn out to be a great game.

Being a Street Fighter fan, I remember when the scene declined but it's vibrant as ever again now. I think as SC fans, we just have to have faith, keep playing, and keep supporting the game we love. Fads go in and out of fashion but we'll always love this game and I'm sure another time for us will come.

OSL and SC2 FIGHTING!

Exactly. SC1 was fixed with BW, why can't HotS and LotV be the same for SC2
@MasterDalK | Maelstrom Entertainment | Streaming Every Esport Under the Sun
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 28 2012 04:51 GMT
#46
It's not like we are lacking sc2 tournaments anyway.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
December 28 2012 04:51 GMT
#47
On December 28 2012 13:51 Noocta wrote:
It's not like we are lacking sc2 tournaments anyway.

but its OSL.....
#TheOneTrueDong
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
December 28 2012 04:53 GMT
#48
On December 28 2012 13:50 Master of DalK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 13:10 silent_owl wrote:
Well, I believe in SC2 and I believe in Blizzard. I always took Grubby's advice to heart that Blizzard is working hard on their expansions and have never failed to deliver with their subsequent follow-ups. I'm sure HotS will be better than what I already think is a good game in WoL. And there's no reason to say that LoV could not possibly turn out to be a great game.

Being a Street Fighter fan, I remember when the scene declined but it's vibrant as ever again now. I think as SC fans, we just have to have faith, keep playing, and keep supporting the game we love. Fads go in and out of fashion but we'll always love this game and I'm sure another time for us will come.

OSL and SC2 FIGHTING!

Exactly. SC1 was fixed with BW, why can HotS and LotV be the same for SC2


it can. it's just it appears like the developers still don't know the proper direction to go with the game (as evidenced by warhounds)
The Notorious Winkles
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
December 28 2012 04:53 GMT
#49
On December 28 2012 11:53 Doodsmack wrote:
Honestly makes me pretty hyped for HOTS lol. We are about to have a completely new game and I'm not sure people are really realizing the significance of that right now. It has the potential to have a good effect on viewership and interest I think.


Completely new game?

What are you looking at man? I don't see it.

I wouldn't get my hopes up. I would not be surprised if OGN drops the OSL for SCII eventually.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
December 28 2012 05:17 GMT
#50
This is very bad news for those of us still hoping SC2 picks up in South Korea. Maybe HOTS will spur up interest again, but this seems more and more unlikely with each passing month.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Rococo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States331 Posts
December 28 2012 06:53 GMT
#51
On December 28 2012 13:45 emythrel wrote:
We all know, however hard people try to forget, that SC1 only became the greatest game in the history of the world once BW was released. Vanilla SC1 wasn't great at all. Same with WC3, another massive hit in Korea. If history is anything to go by, it will be HotS, more likely LotV that brings SC2 the same glory as its parent game.

Hots is a massive improvement on WoL. Anyone whos played in the beta can tell you that.



If history is anything to go by HotS should've been out 9 months after SC2. The situations are obviously different.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
December 28 2012 07:15 GMT
#52
On December 28 2012 13:50 Master of DalK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 13:10 silent_owl wrote:
Well, I believe in SC2 and I believe in Blizzard. I always took Grubby's advice to heart that Blizzard is working hard on their expansions and have never failed to deliver with their subsequent follow-ups. I'm sure HotS will be better than what I already think is a good game in WoL. And there's no reason to say that LoV could not possibly turn out to be a great game.

Being a Street Fighter fan, I remember when the scene declined but it's vibrant as ever again now. I think as SC fans, we just have to have faith, keep playing, and keep supporting the game we love. Fads go in and out of fashion but we'll always love this game and I'm sure another time for us will come.

OSL and SC2 FIGHTING!

Exactly. SC1 was fixed with BW, why can't HotS and LotV be the same for SC2


Because BW fixed SC1 by adding units.. the fundamentals of the game were still great (the dynamism of it). SC2 will NOT be solved by new units.. it will help, yes, as HoTS is way better than WoL. But the fundamentals of Deathballs and maxing out on 3 bases are still present.
Dead game.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 07:27:27
December 28 2012 07:24 GMT
#53
On December 28 2012 13:45 emythrel wrote:
We all know, however hard people try to forget, that SC1 only became the greatest game in the history of the world once BW was released. Vanilla SC1 wasn't great at all. Same with WC3, another massive hit in Korea. If history is anything to go by, it will be HotS, more likely LotV that brings SC2 the same glory as its parent game.

Hots is a massive improvement on WoL. Anyone whos played in the beta can tell you that.



Not anyone, I assure you. Don't speak for all of us like that. I personally think HOTS is glitter on top of shit. A bandage on a quad amputation.
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
December 28 2012 10:21 GMT
#54
On December 28 2012 11:32 Sawamura wrote:
League of legend is just more popular than sc2 in korea .


no kidding? ..
LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom428 Posts
December 28 2012 10:24 GMT
#55
If OGN cannot find a sponsor for OSL then how CAN Kespa possibly justify standing in GOM's way? Always loved the GSL, even if it is pricey, and I hope it continues to grow.

With that said, I'd love an OSL to happen as well because I miss Doa
Mvp #1
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
December 28 2012 10:31 GMT
#56
--- Nuked ---
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
December 28 2012 10:37 GMT
#57
I blame KeSPA. Or at least I think they're being ridiculously retarded. SC2 is being overtaken by LoL in Korea? That's when you DON'T make dick moves to tear apart the community, deny english casts for SC2 leagues and try to keep players from entering GSL. I really really hope they get their shit together and start cooperating so we can all profit. Otherwise nobody profits.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
December 28 2012 10:44 GMT
#58
On December 28 2012 19:24 LemonyTang wrote:
If OGN cannot find a sponsor for OSL then how CAN Kespa possibly justify standing in GOM's way? Always loved the GSL, even if it is pricey, and I hope it continues to grow.

With that said, I'd love an OSL to happen as well because I miss Doa


I don't think it has anything to do with OGN specifically since the last OSL sponsor, Auction All Kill, is now sponsoring part of their LoL league. Maybe it's something along the lines of sponsors not seeing the potential for WoL.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 11:04:39
December 28 2012 11:01 GMT
#59
It's sad to see this happening but then again it's what happen to BW.
I love eSports and would have gladly seen some sort of cooperation, one BIG team league with all major titles and teams to fight in.

Imo thats much better than having one big game that soaks up everything else.
(not saying that LoL actually impacts SC2 that much just as a reference)

I can't stand watching Moba games but hopefully one day I will enjoy them.

edit: Yes we do have 10other major tournaments to "worry" about but this is the sacred land so to speak, Korea.
Ofc we can live on without it but they do have the best players and always pushes the limit, if we actually where to lose any of that, SC2(for me) wouldn't be as interested as it is now.
The curse is real
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
December 28 2012 11:09 GMT
#60
On December 28 2012 12:04 Patate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 11:32 purakushi wrote:
While I did find SC2 fun for a while, it will not stand the test of time, even if there are 2 expansions. KESPA should just adopt SC2BW (and help finish developing the mod). >_<


Totally agree.. anyone who thinks Starcraft 2 will last more than 6-7 years are fooling themselves. This game doesn't have the depth nor the potential of Brood War. We have made thousands of posts about what should be changed ( not balance) but the only ones who can change the actual decline is Blizzard.. not the viewers, not the leagues, not the players, not the teams.

The game isn't even complete yet. Both SC1 and WC3 had their real take-off after the expansion. I guess we can extrapolate a bright future for SC2 with two expansions still to be released.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL Team Wars
19:00
Grand Finals
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
Dewalt vs kogeT
JDConan vs Tarson
RaNgeD vs DragOn
StRyKeR vs Bonyth
Aeternum vs Hejek
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft975
RuFF_SC2 146
StarCraft: Brood War
sorry 36
HiyA 6
Dota 2
monkeys_forever579
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K660
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor150
Other Games
summit1g7343
JimRising 533
C9.Mang0401
UpATreeSC87
Mew2King45
JuggernautJason11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick908
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• gosughost_ 12
• practicex 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler33
League of Legends
• Doublelift5480
Other Games
• Scarra1319
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 31m
Map Test Tournament
1d 8h
PiGosaur Monday
1d 21h
Map Test Tournament
2 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Map Test Tournament
3 days
Map Test Tournament
4 days
OSC
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Map Test Tournament
5 days
OSC
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
Safe House 2
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Map Test Tournament
6 days
OSC
6 days
IPSL
6 days
dxtr13 vs Napoleon
Doodle vs OldBoy
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Acropolis #4 - TS2
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
Frag Blocktober 2025
Urban Riga Open #1
FERJEE Rush 2025
Birch Cup 2025
DraculaN #2
LanDaLan #3
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
WardiTV TLMC #15
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.