EG-Liquid vs KT to open new Proleague season - Page 17

opterown

Australia54784 Posts

December 06 2012 00:51 GMT

#321

On December 06 2012 06:09 TheDougler wrote:
It's been several seasons since Creator and DRG have been RO8 at GSL and yet you list them among the top players.

nitpick, but creator is definitely a top player and he was RO8 this season lol

Darkthorn

Romania912 Posts

December 06 2012 00:59 GMT

#322

On December 06 2012 09:22 Elite_ wrote:
Is IdrA in Korea? If not I think there's only 6 EG-TL players in Korea for the bo7... PuMa, JYP, HuK, ThorZaIN, Zenio, Sea... HerO and TaeJa will be at NASL, Stephano is in France... Who will be the 7th player? o_o

Also for all of you people asking about what the hell is happening with Proleague, DoA will be making a TL post today (Korean time, AKA the 6th) explaining everything you need to know about Proleague.

in the ace match you can reuse a player that has already played

HornyHerring

Papua New Guinea1059 Posts

December 06 2012 01:06 GMT

#323

So why is that all so cool it deserves 3 threads and 348573498759384 people masturbating all over this forum?

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

December 06 2012 01:14 GMT

#324

On December 06 2012 10:06 HornyHerring wrote:
So why is that all so cool it deserves 3 threads and 348573498759384 people masturbating all over this forum?

I believe proleague holds the live attendance record for an e-sport event from some finals back in 2005 or so, that and it's on Korean television.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

December 06 2012 01:16 GMT

#325

On December 06 2012 05:20 mongmong wrote:

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On December 05 2012 22:27 Mandalor wrote:

On December 05 2012 22:18 mongmong wrote:
lol.. ok...

Care to enlighten me what issue you have with that sentence?

On December 05 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:

On December 05 2012 20:50 Mandalor wrote:

On December 05 2012 20:09 Talin wrote:

On December 05 2012 13:31 jalstar wrote:

On December 05 2012 12:51 vesicular wrote:

On December 05 2012 11:17 naux wrote:

On December 05 2012 11:15 atrox_ wrote:
time for another SKT T1 proleague victory

EG-TL are going to take the throne.

The only throne they're taking is the one vacated by Air Force ACE.

Counting "top" SC2 players by team (and this is mostly opinion):

SKT: Rain, soO
CJ: herO[join]
KT: Flash
STX: Bogus, Trap
T8: ?
KHAN: RorO
Stars: Soulkey
TLEG: Stephano, HerO, Taeja

Of course things will change but TLEG is starting out as one of the better teams, as KesPA teams catch up they will slip a bit but not to the bottom.

That's a fairly superficial way of looking at things, though.

If you consider the fact that Kespa teams put Proleague as their absolute highest priority, that it's not just something they do in between traveling to individual events, that they'll have a full roster available every week (the foreign team won't), that they don't stream all the time, that there are exclusive maps that you can't grind on ladder and will have to rely on your internal training regime to master, that a BO7 PL format will mean you're still going to lose if ALL the players aren't committed to Proleague for its entire duration.

It won't be surprising at all to see foreign team players drop games to Paralyze and Ssak, let alone S-Class players. They might get lucky during Winners League rounds and win a few matches, but against prepared snipers on a fixed map even that much will be quitE difficult.

Team 8 will likely be the bottom as things stand now, but there's a very slim chance for the foreign team to outrank STX or KT at the end of the season.

That's a bold statement

We haven't really seen the skill of the players that aren't stars on their team. We know that the top Kespa guys are at about the same level as the top eSF guys, but this format is all about the entire team. We pretty much know about the level of all of the EG and Liquid guys and they aren't THAT far apart from each other in terms of skill. I HIGHLY doubt they will place low in PL. In fact, I think Winner's Rounds will favor Kespa teams because it's unlikely TLEG will be able to field Stephano, Taeja and HerO in all of those rounds whereas Kespa teams will always have their full roster at hand.
It's gonna be hard (and maybe a little unrealistic) to win the whole thing (I certainly think the team is going to lose against KT on week 1 considering the absence of the top players), but I would be very surprised if we find the unholy alliance at the bottom

tldr: The elephants are here, but we don't know how good the baby elephants are and that's going to decide this season.

Well, skill is a very vague metric. A player doesn't necessarily have to be "better" than his opponent in order to win a Proleague match - it's just a single game on a fixed map, the more prepared player can easily win versus a "better" one that didn't focus as hard on his PL map and possible opponents.

The point is that Kespa teams have a set of clear, practical and logistical advantages that will skew the odds in their favor (format, maps, long season, schedules, practice regimen etc). Their players would have to be considerably worse than the foreign team players to negate all these advantages, and they're definitely not considerably worse.

Even from the first round roster, it's pretty clear that the foreign team won't be as committed to the Proleague in a competitive sense. It's only a slightly more serious approach than when Liquid were playing in GSTL, but they allowed Taeja, Ret and Sheth to go play in some Red Bull thing instead and TLO streamed and played showmatches and whatnot in the meantime.

The team is mostly there to raise viewership and overall popularity of the league, it actually works beautifully for both sides promotion-wise.

Well... I think the main difference we'll see next year is that, with the Kespa-MLG-Dreamhack cooperation, we won't have that many overlapping tournaments. I agree that Kespa teams have a couple of advantages, I guess I just disagree with the impact those will have on the scoreboard.
However, it's not like Kespa teams' players stay in Korea all the time. We've seen them at MLG and I'm pretty sure they would like to play in more foreign tournaments next year.

The only top Kespa players who can go toe to toe aginst esf players are Rain, innovation and soulkey.

Even Flash who was godly in broodwar has so many holes in his play. Soulkey made it to Ro8 last season of

GSL but as we all know he also has so many things to fix. Innovation and Rain are the top Kespa guys

without a doubt, but sadly thats it. If I were to name top non-kespa players Id have a pretty long list: Hero(not esf though)

,mvp,DRG,Creator,Life ,Taeja,Violet, Parting etc etc.

I dont disagree with the argument that top Kespa players can beat any top non kespa pros, but my point is that the

number of top notch players in Kespa is so small.

So because a player's not perfect, he can't match up against ESF players? We've had little opportunity to see most of the Kespa players, and others like Roro and CJ Hero have already shown that they can take on the top ESF players. People are so quick to go "Oh, this player sucks now" just because they have one bad result. That's not how things work.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

December 06 2012 01:19 GMT

#326

On December 06 2012 10:06 HornyHerring wrote:
So why is that all so cool it deserves 3 threads and 348573498759384 people masturbating all over this forum?

Because:

A) It's the biggest and oldest team league in e-sports.
B) It involves Teamliquid. This site is Teamliquid. Wow.
C) It involves EG, one of the most popular foreign teams.
D) There has been new information being released. People want information.
E) Flash.

HornyHerring

Papua New Guinea1059 Posts

December 06 2012 01:25 GMT

#327

On December 06 2012 10:14 jalstar wrote:

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I believe proleague holds the live attendance record for an e-sport event from some finals back in 2005 or so, that and it's on Korean television.

Nothing changed in that matter I guess. But I dont't understand. Is it because it's a foreign team on PL or because EG and TL holds hands for it? It's obvious PL would open up for the foreign scene sooner or later. Their list of teams is growing shorter and shorter and sc2 isn't all that big in Korea, so only thing they can do is open up on the west. As for EG and TL, no team have good and big enough roster to play there on their own, so it's only natural that the teams with the best koreans in their roster united to compete. I don't know how could it come as a surprise to anyone. Maybe it's all just because PL has been so mythical during the BW era.

RainmanMP

United States1698 Posts

December 06 2012 01:36 GMT

#328

EG just got Jaedong. EG TL unstoppable

Ryusei-R1

United States2106 Posts

December 06 2012 01:37 GMT

#329

holy fucking shit

Elite_

United States4259 Posts

December 06 2012 01:39 GMT

#330

On December 06 2012 10:36 RainmanMP wrote:
EG just got Jaedong. EG TL unstoppable

Also Team 8 almost 100% guaranteed last place?

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

December 06 2012 01:44 GMT

#331

Jaedong on EG just made this Proleague get real. So sick.

Ampersand799

United States17 Posts

December 06 2012 01:44 GMT

#332

On December 06 2012 10:39 Elite_ wrote:

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Also Team 8 almost 100% guaranteed last place?

Sad to say, but it's looking that way.

zerglingrodeo

United States910 Posts

December 06 2012 01:45 GMT

#333

EGTL can now field Taeja, HerO, Stephano, and Jaedong. So. Much. Skill.

Adreme

United States5574 Posts

December 06 2012 01:45 GMT

#334

Just when I thought EG/TL had a strong lineup they go and add the one thing that basically makes me unable to pick against them.

Adreme

United States5574 Posts

December 06 2012 01:52 GMT

#335

Hold on, if EG vs KT is opening match, does this mean we could have a JD vs Flash at the first match of Proleague?

Elite_

United States4259 Posts

December 06 2012 02:19 GMT

#336

On December 06 2012 10:52 Adreme wrote:
Hold on, if EG vs KT is opening match, does this mean we could have a JD vs Flash at the first match of Proleague?

That's exactly what it means.