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On December 05 2012 22:18 mongmong wrote:
lol.. ok...
Care to enlighten me what issue you have with that sentence?
On December 05 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 20:50 Mandalor wrote:On December 05 2012 20:09 Talin wrote:On December 05 2012 13:31 jalstar wrote:On December 05 2012 12:51 vesicular wrote:On December 05 2012 11:17 naux wrote:On December 05 2012 11:15 atrox_ wrote:
time for another SKT T1 proleague victory EG-TL are going to take the throne. The only throne they're taking is the one vacated by Air Force ACE. Counting "top" SC2 players by team (and this is mostly opinion): SKT: Rain, soO CJ: herO[join] KT: Flash STX: Bogus, Trap T8: ? KHAN: RorO Stars: Soulkey TLEG: Stephano, HerO, Taeja Of course things will change but TLEG is starting out as one of the better teams, as KesPA teams catch up they will slip a bit but not to the bottom. That's a fairly superficial way of looking at things, though. If you consider the fact that Kespa teams put Proleague as their absolute highest priority, that it's not just something they do in between traveling to individual events, that they'll have a full roster available every week (the foreign team won't), that they don't stream all the time, that there are exclusive maps that you can't grind on ladder and will have to rely on your internal training regime to master, that a BO7 PL format will mean you're still going to lose if ALL the players aren't committed to Proleague for its entire duration. It won't be surprising at all to see foreign team players drop games to Paralyze and Ssak, let alone S-Class players. They might get lucky during Winners League rounds and win a few matches, but against prepared snipers on a fixed map even that much will be quitE difficult. Team 8 will likely be the bottom as things stand now, but there's a very slim chance for the foreign team to outrank STX or KT at the end of the season. That's a bold statement  We haven't really seen the skill of the players that aren't stars on their team. We know that the top Kespa guys are at about the same level as the top eSF guys, but this format is all about the entire team. We pretty much know about the level of all of the EG and Liquid guys and they aren't THAT far apart from each other in terms of skill. I HIGHLY doubt they will place low in PL. In fact, I think Winner's Rounds will favor Kespa teams because it's unlikely TLEG will be able to field Stephano, Taeja and HerO in all of those rounds whereas Kespa teams will always have their full roster at hand. It's gonna be hard (and maybe a little unrealistic) to win the whole thing (I certainly think the team is going to lose against KT on week 1 considering the absence of the top players), but I would be very surprised if we find the unholy alliance at the bottom tldr: The elephants are here, but we don't know how good the baby elephants are and that's going to decide this season. Well, skill is a very vague metric. A player doesn't necessarily have to be "better" than his opponent in order to win a Proleague match - it's just a single game on a fixed map, the more prepared player can easily win versus a "better" one that didn't focus as hard on his PL map and possible opponents. The point is that Kespa teams have a set of clear, practical and logistical advantages that will skew the odds in their favor (format, maps, long season, schedules, practice regimen etc). Their players would have to be considerably worse than the foreign team players to negate all these advantages, and they're definitely not considerably worse. Even from the first round roster, it's pretty clear that the foreign team won't be as committed to the Proleague in a competitive sense. It's only a slightly more serious approach than when Liquid were playing in GSTL, but they allowed Taeja, Ret and Sheth to go play in some Red Bull thing instead and TLO streamed and played showmatches and whatnot in the meantime. The team is mostly there to raise viewership and overall popularity of the league, it actually works beautifully for both sides promotion-wise.
Well... I think the main difference we'll see next year is that, with the Kespa-MLG-Dreamhack cooperation, we won't have that many overlapping tournaments. I agree that Kespa teams have a couple of advantages, I guess I just disagree with the impact those will have on the scoreboard.
However, it's not like Kespa teams' players stay in Korea all the time. We've seen them at MLG and I'm pretty sure they would like to play in more foreign tournaments next year.
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On December 05 2012 20:40 gm.tOSS wrote:
Will there be VODs of this available and where?
I´m curious about that as well.
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Greece128 Posts
and one more player yet to be announced.
Byul maybe. It was said he left Fnatic for something bigger. It makes sense for EG to recruit him for Proleague.
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On December 05 2012 22:23 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 05 2012 20:22 derpface wrote:
O M F G!!!!!!!
EG-TL vs FLASHUUUUU omfg!!!!
Would love to see IdrA vs Flash and then IdrA leaves without any GG and gets banned from Proleague for life! wat, its KT Rolster, not just Flash. I wonder which members of KT we can count on this season to totally fail and pad out the roster until the playoffs when they go super saiyan, is it... everyone except flash?
bro, wooki and stats will carry this season and CH wasn't bad, its just that arkanoid is really bad for zerg.
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Only Koreans representing Teamliquid. Symptomatic. Will there ever be new foreign teamliquider? Will team teamliquid take on same role as teamliquid forum - promoting global e-sports for the sake of e-sports. Not like today - optimalizing use Korean assets for the sake of self succes [sport and finantial].
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I find it sad that TLO decides to move from Korea and TL joins proleague.
Btw, I was propably dreaming when I saw that TLO moved with Bling to London, right? ^^
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Wow, I'm genuinely excited for this. It's the first time in a while I've been this excited for sc2 news.
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On December 05 2012 23:57 Rewera wrote:
Only Koreans representing Teamliquid. Symptomatic. Will there ever be new foreign teamliquider? Will team teamliquid take on same role as teamliquid forum - promoting global e-sports for the sake of e-sports. Not like today - optimalizing use Korean assets for the sake of self succes [sport and finantial].
Why would you rather watch inferior players play this game?
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On December 05 2012 21:34 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 20:50 Mandalor wrote:On December 05 2012 20:09 Talin wrote:On December 05 2012 13:31 jalstar wrote:On December 05 2012 12:51 vesicular wrote:On December 05 2012 11:17 naux wrote:On December 05 2012 11:15 atrox_ wrote:
time for another SKT T1 proleague victory EG-TL are going to take the throne. The only throne they're taking is the one vacated by Air Force ACE. Counting "top" SC2 players by team (and this is mostly opinion): SKT: Rain, soO CJ: herO[join] KT: Flash STX: Bogus, Trap T8: ? KHAN: RorO Stars: Soulkey TLEG: Stephano, HerO, Taeja Of course things will change but TLEG is starting out as one of the better teams, as KesPA teams catch up they will slip a bit but not to the bottom. That's a fairly superficial way of looking at things, though. If you consider the fact that Kespa teams put Proleague as their absolute highest priority, that it's not just something they do in between traveling to individual events, that they'll have a full roster available every week (the foreign team won't), that they don't stream all the time, that there are exclusive maps that you can't grind on ladder and will have to rely on your internal training regime to master, that a BO7 PL format will mean you're still going to lose if ALL the players aren't committed to Proleague for its entire duration. It won't be surprising at all to see foreign team players drop games to Paralyze and Ssak, let alone S-Class players. They might get lucky during Winners League rounds and win a few matches, but against prepared snipers on a fixed map even that much will be quitE difficult. Team 8 will likely be the bottom as things stand now, but there's a very slim chance for the foreign team to outrank STX or KT at the end of the season. That's a bold statement We haven't really seen the skill of the players that aren't stars on their team. We know that the top Kespa guys are at about the same level as the top eSF guys, but this format is all about the entire team. We pretty much know about the level of all of the EG and Liquid guys and they aren't THAT far apart from each other in terms of skill. I HIGHLY doubt they will place low in PL. In fact, I think Winner's Rounds will favor Kespa teams because it's unlikely TLEG will be able to field Stephano, Taeja and HerO in all of those rounds whereas Kespa teams will always have their full roster at hand. It's gonna be hard (and maybe a little unrealistic) to win the whole thing (I certainly think the team is going to lose against KT on week 1 considering the absence of the top players), but I would be very surprised if we find the unholy alliance at the bottom tldr: The elephants are here, but we don't know how good the baby elephants are and that's going to decide this season. Well, skill is a very vague metric. A player doesn't necessarily have to be "better" than his opponent in order to win a Proleague match - it's just a single game on a fixed map, the more prepared player can easily win versus a "better" one that didn't focus as hard on his PL map and possible opponents. The point is that Kespa teams have a set of clear, practical and logistical advantages that will skew the odds in their favor (format, maps, long season, schedules, practice regimen etc). Their players would have to be considerably worse than the foreign team players to negate all these advantages, and they're definitely not considerably worse. Even from the first round roster, it's pretty clear that the foreign team won't be as committed to the Proleague in a competitive sense. It's only a slightly more serious approach than when Liquid were playing in GSTL, but they allowed Taeja, Ret and Sheth to go play in some Red Bull thing instead and TLO streamed and played showmatches and whatnot in the meantime. The team is mostly there to raise viewership and overall popularity of the league, it actually works beautifully for both sides promotion-wise.
No point in going on about why you think TL-EG will fail. Just wait until you see some results, then you can speak with more certainty...we're talking about SC2 bo1s after all  .
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This has gone beyond the hype train. This is now officially the hype cruise ship, with stops scheduled in Panama, the Bahamas, and Korea (how else are they gonna play in Proleague?).
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Planet S? that's kind of a wierd map....can somebody find some info about that map?...olso Flash all-kill'm!
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So am I getting this right; taeja, hero, stephano and demuslim won't be able to make the first match vs sk telecom? Sounds pretty lame, I hope sk crushes them without dropping a set so they take this league a little more seriously.
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Great!!! Really want to see PuMa and IdrA, HerO and Sea!
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These matches will be played at yongsan stadium right? Plan to go on Sunday and watch team 8
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On December 06 2012 00:36 EAGER-beaver wrote:
So am I getting this right; taeja, hero, stephano and demuslim won't be able to make the first match vs sk telecom? Sounds pretty lame, I hope sk crushes them without dropping a set so they take this league a little more seriously.
They're playing KT Rolster, not SKT1. And I'm pretty sure they're taking this seriously. The decision for joining Proleague was probably quite some time after NASL started (the reason Taeja, HerO, Stephano and Demuslim won't be there for week 1).
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Why is this not on the calendar?
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Caldeum - Belial vs. EG-Liquid.
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On December 06 2012 02:04 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 00:36 EAGER-beaver wrote:
So am I getting this right; taeja, hero, stephano and demuslim won't be able to make the first match vs sk telecom? Sounds pretty lame, I hope sk crushes them without dropping a set so they take this league a little more seriously. They're playing KT Rolster, not SKT1. And I'm pretty sure they're taking this seriously. The decision for joining Proleague was probably quite some time after NASL started (the reason Taeja, HerO, Stephano and Demuslim won't be there for week 1).
I thought HuK was going on vacation. BD
I guess this is his new vacation.
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EPT
