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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9330 Posts
November 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#21
I prefer 4gate vs 4gate over war of the worlds but thanks to 4gate nerf we're able to watch pvp midgame which can be really intresting. For me colossi wars are a lesser evil. They suck, but at least we can have some fun before they occur.
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
November 24 2012 23:38 GMT
#22
In an RTS game, strategy should play a part in determining the outcome of a match and you can't seriously say there was much fore·thought in the days of 4 gate PvP.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#23
Hell no. Today we saw some very good PvPs with Phoenixes and even 3 base vs 3 base in the DH.
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cjin
Profile Joined July 2011
181 Posts
November 24 2012 23:44 GMT
#24
Even if it made better player win more, as a spectator I want as entertaining games as possible (witch should mean tournament organizers want that too), and pretty much same game over and over again is not that.
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
November 24 2012 23:46 GMT
#25
On November 25 2012 08:26 JJH777 wrote:
MC was never at 90% in PvP and PvP is far less volatile now than it was back then. I can only assume you made this topic because MC lost to Grubby which is a super dumb reason to think something like this. MC just hasn't performed well lately. He's had trouble in all 3 matchups.



To be fair through Season 4 of GSL (I guess that was the first Code S season) MC had won all of his PvPs. Of course all meant he beat San in the one PvP he had played. He got crushed by Alicia 2-0 in the Supertournament shortly there after though.
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
November 24 2012 23:48 GMT
#26
I think so. The better player won. I mean, it was shitty, but rather having PvP being a micro tournament than Rock/Paper/Scizzor (between 2 equal opponents).
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
November 24 2012 23:53 GMT
#27
On November 25 2012 08:36 HolydaKing wrote:
Absolutely no...

Besides Colossi wars i think that PvP nowadays is getting more and more entertaining. I love the phoenix wars which somehow start to appear in professional games lately.


I always found the Colossi wars hilarious, it is like watching a lot of gas go poof and having 6 or so spindly colossi waiting for chargelots to come back and wear as shoes. I don't think that 4 gate era was as good as PvP now though.

The diversity of options is a lot more fun to watch than knowing 4 gates are going to happen every single PvP, I can't wait for Phoenix builds to get a lot more sorted in terms of counters.
VB_WhiplashJC
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia64 Posts
November 24 2012 23:53 GMT
#28
No, MC v Grubby at IEM was a sick series.
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ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
November 24 2012 23:54 GMT
#29
no

User was warned for this post
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Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
November 24 2012 23:56 GMT
#30
no but it is still a little coinflippy now
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
November 24 2012 23:58 GMT
#31
I'm not really interested in mass colossi vs colossi battles personally, other stuff = nice
although 4gate is too quick to be too entertaining.
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
November 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#32
4 Gate PvP
Fun to Watch: YES!!!
Fun to Play: Hell No -_-

Ling Bling ZvZ
Fun to Watch: YES!!!
Fun to Plat: No Stressful as Hell.

The issue is that there is a difference from what people want to play. And what they want to watch.
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Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
November 25 2012 00:01 GMT
#33
The 4gate would be even more volatile today now that everyone's micro is so good.
AoWGoDLiKe
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany7 Posts
November 25 2012 00:06 GMT
#34
no

User was warned for this post
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
November 25 2012 00:10 GMT
#35
On November 25 2012 08:53 VB_WhiplashJC wrote:
No, MC v Grubby at IEM was a sick series.

T_T i missed it
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
November 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#36
Better only in the sense that the PvP matches would be over quicker which leads to more time to watch the other more interesting matches.
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
November 25 2012 00:12 GMT
#37
your take on
"oGsMC was good in the 4gate era"
is false.


MC was only good at that time because there were few koreans at foreign tournaments. I do think Rain, parting, creator, squirtle etc. are all better than MC at PvP today.

look at foreigners such as babyknight, grubby, i do believe they are improving rather than winning due to more forgiving game designs
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Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
November 25 2012 00:13 GMT
#38
pvp has always been pretty abysmal. there are a few gem series but that's about it (although, zvz isn't much different).
The universe created an audience for itself.
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-25 00:17:33
November 25 2012 00:15 GMT
#39
Hmm interesting question actually.
I'm not sure if it was my newbie bias back in the day , compared to knowing more about sc2 now ,
but looking back at pvp back then - it did indeed seem a lot more exciting and fun to watch.
Just thinking about all of Huks pvp's that had me on the edge ^ _ ^

Or maybe its just that i really dislike the huge coinflip bo win-loss situations, that happen so hard nowadays.
Which seem written in stone unless one makes a freaking huge mistake.
(eg. : Phoenix > Robo, Robo>DT)

I think I'll go check out some old GSL vods to see if they really were more fun.

PS : interesting point i think is also map design, if Blizzard or Mapmakers would not have seen a Problem in 4gate wars,
i wonder what the maps would look like nowadays where Ramps wouldnt be important.
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
November 25 2012 00:17 GMT
#40
On November 25 2012 08:19 RedZ wrote:
no

This guy is a known hacker... or shares a the exact same name as one. Thought I'd throw that out there.
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