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TSL_inori retires from SC2 and switches to League - Page 8

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Stop derailing this thread, get back on topic.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
November 23 2012 13:28 GMT
#141
Some people need to go, it's only natural.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
November 23 2012 13:31 GMT
#142
On November 23 2012 20:38 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 20:33 Integra wrote:
On November 23 2012 20:19 ZodaSoda wrote:
they're just gunna make LoL saturated and leave many a player Teamless
whatevs
These guys would've switched to LoL from BW if BW was still going
oh well, good luck they're gunna need it

If you look at the success rate the people who switched from SC2/SC:BW has had they probably already reached that point.


I feel like when these players say " they are switching to LoL " when they retire from SC what they mean is they will give this game a shot since they are used to being pro gamers, but I think almost all of them will not be successful and give up rather quickly, then retire from pro gaming in general and live a normal life.

You can't just switch from SC to a team game unless you already have a team lined up.


Yup, I absolutely think so as well.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
November 23 2012 13:33 GMT
#143
On November 23 2012 22:19 Soda-88 wrote:
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On November 23 2012 22:01 rasnj wrote:
Furthermore it is impossible to say that SC2 or LoL is harder. If one was considerably harder than the other, people would switch to the easier title for easy money and fame. As long as the skill ceilling isn't reached (and it won't ever be in either game) there will naturally be a pretty even difficulty for the two games. Of course the kinds of skills required are slightly different, but so what? One requires team work, one may require a bit more mental attention and reflexes, but overall they are of the same difficulty.

You must be joking with this part... MOBA games take 15 eAPM and alot of teamspeak screaming at the pro level. You also control 1/5 of your team's resources. It's like a watered down Warcraft III and please, just please don't tell me you think controlling a hero with 4 spells in 5v5 is harder than controlling the same hero along with the rest of your army/economy/production.

Anyways, lol@ppl calling SC2 death because some non-factor players switch over to another game. I'd start worrying if the likes of Mvp switch over, not people who can't qualify for Code A anymore.

Are you kidding? You didn't read what I wrote? Yes I think the popular MOBA games are hard, just as SC2 is. There is plenty of money in LoL in Korea so why wouldn't good people switch and raise the level of play if it was this easy? Results are somewhat predictably so obviously there is still an element of skill. Inori was not top notch in SC2, but he was pretty close to the top so by your comments he should dominate in LoL? Plenty of good RTS players already switched and failed.
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
November 23 2012 13:33 GMT
#144
On November 23 2012 21:04 Azarkon wrote:
I'm starting to think the Korean eSports scene is itself over saturated and is in for an implosion. They don't have the sort of international audience that they need to sustain two large scenes, and AFAIK the Korean market itself isn't getting bigger so... Well, one game's gonna have to give, and at the moment I think it's going to be SC 2.

Fortunately for them, they have international SC 2 to pick up the slack on a lot of the sponsorship and tournament $ that their own teams and leagues aren't able to provide. But how long is that going to last given the drop in SC 2 viewership across the world?
drop in sc2 viewership across the world? the game has grown exponentially. When has SC2 ever had more viewers than right now?
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 13:36:26
November 23 2012 13:34 GMT
#145
The changes to League for season 3 so far look really interesting, it's refreshing to see another company really care enough to update their game regularly.

But as others have pointed out, Inori with no results in SC2 will probably have little to no results in LoL either. Tough scene to break into especially if he's gonna be some solo queue hero.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
November 23 2012 13:34 GMT
#146
In SC2 only the strong survive...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Gool
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina204 Posts
November 23 2012 13:37 GMT
#147
Its so disgusting that players are switching to a vastly inferior game because it is "flavor of the month". I hope HotS changes this.
NMxSardines
Profile Joined February 2012
77 Posts
November 23 2012 13:37 GMT
#148
I am annoyed with people posting sweeping generalizations here about either game with almost nothing to back it up but a bitter impression of SC2 professionals quitting the game.

Blizzard, please fix SC2's E-Sports scene before the game hemorrhages more players to LoL.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 23 2012 13:40 GMT
#149
Oh noes, starcraft must be dying.

Well, it's been ages since i heard of him, not too strange a choice.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 13:43:28
November 23 2012 13:41 GMT
#150
On November 23 2012 22:37 NMxSardines wrote:
I am annoyed with people posting sweeping generalizations here about either game with almost nothing to back it up but a bitter impression of SC2 professionals quitting the game.

Blizzard, please fix SC2's E-Sports scene before the game hemorrhages more players to LoL.

I think people need to fix their definition of what "professional gamer" means. Most, if not all of the players that has quit haven't been playing professionally in leagues or tournaments for at least a year.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
November 23 2012 13:44 GMT
#151
More money needs to trickle down to the lesser players inorder to retain an intrest at the lower levels. We also need to support those that aren't as good as the worlds best.... but can't see it happening
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 13:50:08
November 23 2012 13:46 GMT
#152
On November 23 2012 19:15 Technique wrote:
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On November 23 2012 19:10 raVenwomBat wrote:
Imo, this is the real "elephant in the room". I think something drastic has to happen in order for SCII to catch back up to LoL. I'm really concerned about the recent development...

LoL is no competition of sc2... other than perhaps gaining sponsorships, which doesn't seem like a problem atm at all.

People don't understand it's a different genre or something? And one that will have more players due to the fact that rts games are harder to get into than any other genre, that's a simple fact.

Especially these days where people want everything simplified, hence running around with 1 unit that can do shiny stuff is more appealing than managing a complete base and army.



i use to think that to, till i also switched to LoL.... and the fact that LoL has more players is because its a FREE game. u can just download it and litterraly start playing within an our without paying a cent. league also caters better to casual a ton more than SC2 does currently. maybe that will change, but it takes 2 damn expansions for starcraft to do anything positive with there game. waiting 2 years for content that we should have had out of the box? look at how long it took them to just give us something as simple as chat channels ffs, and when we finnally get it its pretty horrid. ya at some point u have to get fed up with the direction and the current state of the game.

the game is also really easy to get into. it only took me 2 days to fully learn the machanics of the game (altho playing moba and dota clone custom games on SC2 also helped with that). u can pretty much get right into the game and start tearing ass with 20/5 kill ratios( or atleast i did). SC2 u start in bronze and u will get ur ass kicked alot before u get anywhere at all.
TheRedeemer
Profile Joined August 2012
United States24 Posts
November 23 2012 13:47 GMT
#153
Lol how many low tier sc2 pros have you heard switch to Lol just to see them disappear in the dust. Sc2 and LoL are not the same skill wise. Look at destiny. He's almost worst than the average pub player. He was getting 3-6k viewers on sc2 back then. Maybe more. He's struggling to get 1k on Lol. A tip is to stick to your strengths. Keep dreaming about playing in million dollar touneys.
"They call me the Redeemer"
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 13:47:47
November 23 2012 13:47 GMT
#154
wc3(where he was switching between different races instead of playing one) > sc2 > lol. Whats next in his list..?
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 13:54:22
November 23 2012 13:52 GMT
#155
On November 23 2012 22:47 TheRedeemer wrote:
Lol how many low tier sc2 pros have you heard switch to Lol just to see them disappear in the dust. Sc2 and LoL are not the same skill wise. Look at destiny. He's almost worst than the average pub player. He was getting 3-6k viewers on sc2 back then. Maybe more. He's struggling to get 1k on Lol. A tip is to stick to your strengths. Keep dreaming about playing in million dollar touneys.



ever since destiny went back to twitch he is actually getting 2.6k viewers with 1.8k being the norm. when he had that philospher guy on stream it peaked to around 3k. idk what it was about owned but he was only getting 800-1k viewers on owned.


also ppl need to realize that SC2 is painful to play. grinding on ladder trying to get rank 1 master seems like a chore. LoL is actually pretty fun to play even competitively.
GoToVillage
Profile Joined August 2011
Romania20 Posts
November 23 2012 14:00 GMT
#156
On November 23 2012 19:47 Koshi wrote:
Sad to see all these players go to LoL. If they change to these "moba" games they should switch to DotA.

From what i read on dota forums it never was that popular in korea,they played a map called chaos or something so i don't think they will start to play dota2 and on top of that riot were smart/scared/whatever and launched LoL in China while Dota 2 was still in CB so they pretty much got all the players.
PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
November 23 2012 14:07 GMT
#157
Well league is quite fun!
http://twitter.com/PiQLiQ
Disposition1989
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada270 Posts
November 23 2012 14:10 GMT
#158
On November 23 2012 22:33 markrevival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 21:04 Azarkon wrote:
I'm starting to think the Korean eSports scene is itself over saturated and is in for an implosion. They don't have the sort of international audience that they need to sustain two large scenes, and AFAIK the Korean market itself isn't getting bigger so... Well, one game's gonna have to give, and at the moment I think it's going to be SC 2.

Fortunately for them, they have international SC 2 to pick up the slack on a lot of the sponsorship and tournament $ that their own teams and leagues aren't able to provide. But how long is that going to last given the drop in SC 2 viewership across the world?
drop in sc2 viewership across the world? the game has grown exponentially. When has SC2 ever had more viewers than right now?

Player stream numbers are down across the board so there's that.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
November 23 2012 14:14 GMT
#159
On November 23 2012 23:10 Disposition1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 22:33 markrevival wrote:
On November 23 2012 21:04 Azarkon wrote:
I'm starting to think the Korean eSports scene is itself over saturated and is in for an implosion. They don't have the sort of international audience that they need to sustain two large scenes, and AFAIK the Korean market itself isn't getting bigger so... Well, one game's gonna have to give, and at the moment I think it's going to be SC 2.

Fortunately for them, they have international SC 2 to pick up the slack on a lot of the sponsorship and tournament $ that their own teams and leagues aren't able to provide. But how long is that going to last given the drop in SC 2 viewership across the world?
drop in sc2 viewership across the world? the game has grown exponentially. When has SC2 ever had more viewers than right now?

Player stream numbers are down across the board so there's that.

Yeah, sadly, there seems to be a decline in popularity. Lets hope it picks up in HotS
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NotoriousBig
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Germany301 Posts
November 23 2012 14:19 GMT
#160
Haha,
this is another example that every player who is just too bad for SC2 moves to LOL.
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