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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
Same shit with some of my irl. friends, they want to play poker for the potential mad $$$ they can make. But they don't genially love playing poker to actually learn the game, all they can see and think about is the $$$. Guess what they were always losing players. As long as you have not hit the rock bottom (your lively-hood depending on the $$$ you make to survive), $$$ should never be the motivational factor. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
For this reason i would expect a mid master sc2 player to quickly rise in LoL skill, but a high level LoL player to hit a wall when suddenly you have to use hotkeys, you have to multitask, and there are so many concepts that are completely alien to MOBA that make the game harder to play. Out of the 3 people i know that play LoL ranked and sc2, two of them are in bronze and one is in silver after dozens of games, yet the only masters sc2 players i know that play LoL too are in the top 10% of ELO, so maybe i am biased, but i dont think so. I respect LoL's difficulty in teamwork and a lot of the knowledge requirements, but i think Starcraft is overall the harder game by far, void of that. | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On November 23 2012 23:34 Meggiroth wrote: What are people smoking? LoL more complex than SC2??!?!?!? You have 5 units vs 5 units spaming spells at eachother and micro-ing a single unit most of the time. How can you compare that with sc2 pro lvl? There is no meta. Just map awareness and fast decision making during team clashes. Players like Inori leave for LoL because its an easier source for money. There is way more money thrown into LoL because of its large audience generated from copy pasting the dota concept, making it free and more easy than the not so noob-friendly dota. Yes easier to play (at least non-competively), yes more difficult to watch, but probably not less complex than SC2. Face it, Starcraft 2 is pretty straight-forward and it's not as complex as some "cough" day9 "cough" casters/analysts pretend it is. Comparing SC2 to BW: There is almost no map position play, only deathball engagement position play. The army controls have been seriously dumbed down (battles last less than a minute, no more gimmicky group control linked to the broken interface of BW). Every macro mechanics have been seriously dumbed down. So now we've gotten into this Brood War sequel which is actually just a build order win/execution and deathball positioning game. You claim the audience comes from the fact that the game is free... no it's not really the reason. Watching Starcraft 2 is also free, yet Koreans don't care about it (see last BW OSL vs First SC2 OSL) because it has been a HUGE step down from BW. God, how in denial can some people be... your kind of people who give excuses everytime something negative is said about SC2 are not helping. I know you do want to damage control the situation, but it's really not helping. As for LoL, I agree that an individual player has less stuff to do than a player in SC2: it IS an easier game to control (almost no multitask), but the level of depth coming from synergy and teamplay far exceeds the current differenciator (between the winner and the loser) of SC2. Edit: Also adding that except a selected few that actually win tournaments in Starcraft 2, very few players can actually earn a decent living (Destiny who was mocked in this thread was one of them). This is not the sign of a healthy scene. it's actually time you guys realize this. | ||
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WightyCity
Canada887 Posts
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Meggiroth
239 Posts
Thats not the reason why there is a greater audience? So people who DON'T play sc2 because they can't be arsed to pay for it should more inclined to watch a game they never really got into to play it at all? People should relate with a game they can't afford or don't want to give money to play? You fail at logic really hard. I won't go into details of how plain retarded that LoL more complex than sc2 is. Its beyond obvious. One day you might get out of bronze/silver and understand. I'm sure sc2 looks pretty simple while watching it on stream and the casters telling you whats happening all the time. User was warned for this post | ||
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iKnowKungFu
Poland21 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On November 23 2012 18:16 Snowbear wrote: I hope that this time people won't act like it's the end of sc2. The competition is too high atm, there are too many professionals, so people will have to quit. Good luck inori! I agree. The game is getting better and tighter skill wise, and some pros just aren't cutting it and are smart to go. | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:50 Meggiroth wrote: A wild delusional LoL fanboy appeared! Thats not the reason why there is a greater audience? So people who DON'T play sc2 because they can't be arsed to pay for it should more inclined to watch a game they never really got into to play it at all? People should relate with a game they can't afford or don't want to give money to play? You fail at logic really hard. I won't go into details of how plain retarded that LoL more complex than sc2 is. Its beyond obvious. One day you might get out of bronze/silver and understand. I'm sure sc2 looks pretty simple while watching it on stream and the casters telling you whats happening all the time. I barely play LoL, I'm high masters in SC2, and BW viewers did not play the game. even if SC2 is not free, I don't think there's anyone who "can't afford it", especially when Romanians can.. There we go,. in less than 100 words, because I don't think you're worth more. | ||
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:50 iKnowKungFu wrote: guess what...nobody cares I care. Big fan, stole many a build. GL in LoL inori | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:50 Meggiroth wrote: A wild delusional LoL fanboy appeared! Thats not the reason why there is a greater audience? So people who DON'T play sc2 because they can't be arsed to pay for it should more inclined to watch a game they never really got into to play it at all? People should relate with a game they can't afford or don't want to give money to play? You fail at logic really hard. I won't go into details of how plain retarded that LoL more complex than sc2 is. Its beyond obvious. One day you might get out of bronze/silver and understand. I'm sure sc2 looks pretty simple while watching it on stream and the casters telling you whats happening all the time. I paid for SC2. I don't play it because it's dull and uninspiring and would rather spend my time doing something (anything) fun; if I need to pay for it or not. You accuse others of fanboyism. Hypocrisy is a fickle thing | ||
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MrF
United States320 Posts
On November 23 2012 18:26 emc wrote: i'm not saying LoL is a harder game. What I said is it's harder in a lot of ways, I guess I should have worded it: "It's harder in other ways" because there is a team element which adds randomness into the game that you can't individually control. And I was asking a question, because LoL seems to be a lot bigger which begs the question that it probably is just as hard to be pro in LoL, or any game for that matter. but for the sake of it, don't even respond to me because it's not worth derailing the thread. First of all you can't make a statement and then say don't respond, if you want that then don't post. That being said, in response, while LoL is bigger there are actually a lot less "pro" players in lol, what LoL has is a massive fan base and a shit ton of casual/semi serious players, but if you watch the LoL pro scene there aren't all that many pro teams and while its true that there are 4 people who are on your team who are out of your control, I believe that highly skilled sc2 players could do really well in lol if they arent finding any success in sc2. Basically SC2=too many pros, not enough fans LoL=too many fans, not enough pros. that may be oversimplified but i think it holds water. | ||
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lolmlg
619 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:29 Cyro wrote: Most of my criticism towards LoL goes to mechanical skill requirements And that's why SC2 is casual compared to Brood War, right mang? Swirling around the release of SC2 was all this talk about how mechanics shouldn't dictate the game, how it should be about player knowledge, decision making, tactics, intelligence. How older, slower players like NesTea finding success in SC2 was a good thing. But NesTea had better not play LoL, or else he's doing something wrong. | ||
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Meggiroth
239 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:55 Patate wrote: I barely play LoL, I'm high masters in SC2, and BW viewers did not play the game. even if SC2 is not free, I don't think there's anyone who "can't afford it", especially when Romanians can.. There we go,. in less than 100 words, because I don't think you're worth more. If are are high masters then I'm marry poppins. Also pretty pathetic nation bashing. You are free to go back to hunting pink rabbits in LoL now. Thanks for your time. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
LoL is still a good shot after you had problems in Sc2. But it is no free win anymore. And it is not that easy to adapt too if you come from Sc2. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
I hope TSL tries to fill the Protoss spot, they are even more severly lacking now in that regard. Edit: just made the mistake of reading some of the comments on the first page, I thought the Destiny/SC2-is-doomed/lol-so-good crowd went away and let us have our peace  Please just go away, enjoy your game and let us enjoy ours. kkthxbye | ||
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MrF
United States320 Posts
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Stress
United States980 Posts
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lolmlg
619 Posts
On November 24 2012 00:28 Shinobi1982 wrote: I can only laugh at switches like these. Guess what he didn't love playing SC2 as much in order to succeed at it, nor does he love playing LoL otherwise he'd switch the moment LoL was released. People like that will never be the best. Same shit with some of my irl. friends, they want to play poker for the potential mad $$$ they can make. But they don't genially love playing poker to actually learn the game, all they can see and think about is the $$$. Guess what they were always losing players. As long as you have not hit the rock bottom (your lively-hood depending on the $$$ you make to survive), $$$ should never be the motivational factor. Or maybe he heard a lot of shit talking from people who would pressure him into not playing LoL, and after a while he decided to ignore them and give it a try. Then he liked it better and felt better at it than SC2. Within the realm of possibility or not? I just started playing LoL a few weeks ago. What does that have to do with whether or not I like LoL? You have to get into something before you can know what you like it. How do you like something the moment it comes out? That's the realm of fanboy gibberish. | ||
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lolmlg
619 Posts
On November 24 2012 01:23 Stress wrote: These guys that "retire" from one game and switch to another are somewhat delusional, in my opinion. If you can't perform well in SC2 what makes you think that by switching games you got a better chance? LoL is so big and there is already so many well established teams it is just as big of a mountain to climb, if not bigger, than trying to break into the SC2 scene. The simple fact with e-sports right now is that unless you are in the top 2% you aren't going to be making a lot of money and your time is better spent elsewhere. But the choice is theirs, best of luck, Inori. What made MVP think that switching from BW to SC2 would give him a better chance? Different games, different aptitudes. Can we please deal with it? | ||
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Flummie
Netherlands417 Posts
Not that sc2 is so supercomplex as some people want to make it but seriously, what does it matter how complex a game is? I never understood this reasoning. More important would be how competitive and how fun it is but that is just my 2 cents. If you like complex games start solving super difficult puzzles 24/7 imo or play Riven or something. | ||
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