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TSL_inori retires from SC2 and switches to League - Page 11
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43759 Posts
Best of luck in the future... | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
 , your PvP was godly, like straight up S class PvP. He was the Elfi of Korea, except better  . Unfortunately his other MU's were not above at most code B later on in his career. I can see why he'd be retiring, but he has had results less than about 4 months ago, so I'm wondering why he is leaving before HotS. His results were not in singles leagues though, they were in team leagues so maybe that was the thing for him.Second of all, SC2 players leaving to LoL is a very bad idea. Unless they have been playing for 2 years like the rest of the pros there, they will not be up to snuff on communicating and the rest of the intricacies of LoL that people in the SC2 forums are quick to dismiss without a word. To be frank, the skills that travel over to LoL from SC2 are the multitasking abilities and the map awareness, however, the micro you need in LoL is a lot less about having godly micro of all your units and more about having perfect micro of one unit so that your team can micro around you (this is very subtle, where as you can have stalker blinks that look insane since you are doing them to 10+ stalkers, these blinks are really great only when you consider the number of stalkers needed to micro. In LoL, to be a pro in any scene other than maybe the semi-pros, one needs near perfect micro of one unit that makes the other team's units impossible to micro perfectly). From there, team synergy is even harder to keep since that requires lots of practice. If Inori is really good at LoL I'd love to see him play. I hope he also isn't doing it to make money off streaming since it's not actually a lot of people that watch League voraciously, like people do for starcraft. A lot only watch their favorite players. A good number of them are trolls that troll the players on TSM (mostly Dyrus, but the rest get their fair share) FeaR (only Aphromoo and sometimes Muffinqt/Xmithie), SK (usually Ocelote), TPA (ToyZ and LiLBallz), and sometimes the variable teams like Curse and CLG (sometimes Froggen). Those people literally get 90% of the viewers (and like 60-70% of the trolls). The rest of the players vie for the remaining 10%. The rest of that 10% do not go to Koreans, they normally go to either girl players (I don't mean like Tara Babcock who plays multiple games, I mean like KereiAutumn who has ties to TSM) or random Taiwan or Chinese players which there is no dearth of on twitch. With that in mind, I hope Inori does really well and does not try to think that LoL is some golden place where money falls from the skies. It really isn't, the fans on TL are an enormous exception from most LoL fans. The fans on TL are not just normally very reasonable and mild mannered, they understand that LoL, just like other games, is not a one and done thing. Teams don't just automatically win every game and they have losing seasons and dissapointing performances. The fans off of TL and even some fans on TSM's website, especially those on Curse's forums and reddit are horrendously vitriolic. They hate all the time since there is an enormous casual base, but not enough people who understand the pro scene. Because of that, 1 streamer will get a ton of viewers while the others will not. This is also why a lot of fans on other websites would get permad really fast on TL, they can make life very hard, and discourage playing with their bullying fairly quickly. The same thing happened to Dyrus and he got Depressed because of his accruing of trolls. | ||
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Fus
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snively
United States1159 Posts
:'( i will miss you, bb | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
On November 24 2012 01:42 docvoc wrote: A couple things guys. 1 GL inori , your PvP was godly, like straight up S class PvP. He was the Elfi of Korea, except better . Unfortunately his other MU's were not above at most code B later on in his career. I can see why he'd be retiring, but he has had results less than about 4 months ago, so I'm wondering why he is leaving before HotS. His results were not in singles leagues though, they were in team leagues so maybe that was the thing for him.Second of all, SC2 players leaving to LoL is a very bad idea. Unless they have been playing for 2 years like the rest of the pros there, they will not be up to snuff on communicating and the rest of the intricacies of LoL that people in the SC2 forums are quick to dismiss without a word. To be frank, the skills that travel over to LoL from SC2 are the multitasking abilities and the map awareness, however, the micro you need in LoL is a lot less about having godly micro of all your units and more about having perfect micro of one unit so that your team can micro around you (this is very subtle, where as you can have stalker blinks that look insane since you are doing them to 10+ stalkers, these blinks are really great only when you consider the number of stalkers needed to micro. In LoL, to be a pro in any scene other than maybe the semi-pros, one needs near perfect micro of one unit that makes the other team's units impossible to micro perfectly). From there, team synergy is even harder to keep since that requires lots of practice. If Inori is really good at LoL I'd love to see him play. I hope he also isn't doing it to make money off streaming since it's not actually a lot of people that watch League voraciously, like people do for starcraft. A lot only watch their favorite players. A good number of them are trolls that troll the players on TSM (mostly Dyrus, but the rest get their fair share) FeaR (only Aphromoo and sometimes Muffinqt/Xmithie), SK (usually Ocelote), TPA (ToyZ and LiLBallz), and sometimes the variable teams like Curse and CLG (sometimes Froggen). Those people literally get 90% of the viewers (and like 60-70% of the trolls). The rest of the players vie for the remaining 10%. The rest of that 10% do not go to Koreans, they normally go to either girl players (I don't mean like Tara Babcock who plays multiple games, I mean like KereiAutumn who has ties to TSM) or random Taiwan or Chinese players which there is no dearth of on twitch. With that in mind, I hope Inori does really well and does not try to think that LoL is some golden place where money falls from the skies. It really isn't, the fans on TL are an enormous exception from most LoL fans. The fans on TL are not just normally very reasonable and mild mannered, they understand that LoL, just like other games, is not a one and done thing. Teams don't just automatically win every game and they have losing seasons and dissapointing performances. The fans off of TL and even some fans on TSM's website, especially those on Curse's forums and reddit are horrendously vitriolic. They hate all the time since there is an enormous casual base, but not enough people who understand the pro scene. Because of that, 1 streamer will get a ton of viewers while the others will not. This is also why a lot of fans on other websites would get permad really fast on TL, they can make life very hard, and discourage playing with their bullying fairly quickly. The same thing happened to Dyrus and he got Depressed because of his accruing of trolls. wow, i looked at this post and was like "ok, ill read it just to see how bad it is" but its really well written and raises some good points. props to you, good sir, for writing something that is worth reading the wall of text for | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1960 Posts
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MicroTastiC
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Kranyum
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Beatmania
England33 Posts
But finally I caved, and it was a bit of fun. I didn't take it very seriously like Starcraft but I just wanted to play more. I still maintained sc was the best game ever and nothing could fill the hole it left in my heart. But I just couldn't stop playing LoL. Being addicted to sc was my choice, I wanted to improve. And now I find myself addicted to LoL because it is fun. After 630 wins is now finally when I'm striving to improve my play in LoL. My short gaming biography is only written as a testament to the fact I understand and have enjoyed both games to an above average level. Both of these games require a lot of time and knowledge to get good at. I would say sc requires more overall physicality, crisis management and of course multitasking. .LoL despite what people think is much heavier on the theory side. The meta is just more complicated. There are more variables and once you understand the game you know any composition of teams cannot be approached in the same way. In sc you know your intended build and your action and reaction most of the time. Execution is way more important in sc. Even with their differences. LoL being much more mechanically forgiving. The very best players are still few and will dominate everyone else in each of the games. Because in LoL it's still hard to be a player with perfect mechanics, who also has the theory, the reaction time, and the game sense. And in sc its the EXACT same way. As for the pro players leaving to play LoL. A lot of potential reasons haven't even been stated on this thread. Mostly just fanboyism from both sides. Do you ever stop to wonder how these players feel about the games themselves? Blizzard is TERRIBLE at listening to the community and there are horrible balance issues popping up everywhere. HotS seems like it is going to need some serious work and they could quite easily ruin the game if they mess anything up too much more. Then you have Riot who listen, and implement new features constantly. And really seem to know how to make their game better month by month. If you're a struggling pro in this game making no money. Wouldn't you lack some serious motivation to carry on? People aren't really considering that they are switching because they would like the same pursuit without the added stress of a horribly maintained game they don't benefit from anyway. LoL is doing better in terms of prize pools, viewers, and players. It is exploding in South Korea too. Whilst I am still much more fond of sc and my time with it. LoL has a much better infrastructure for more players to make a living than sc does. And being the most popular in Korea has a huge appeal. Basically, you're not going to see a sc pro who is earning switch to LoL because the loss of their earnings would be way too risky. Players like Inori just have nothing to lose. | ||
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ssi.bal-listic
United States568 Posts
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Vorlik
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On November 24 2012 02:12 MicroTastiC wrote: LoL is the better game anyway. It's a lot more fun and stress-free. Isn't that what a game is supposed to be? LoL is still very stressful because you're playing with 4 other people you can't control. If you're not a team oriented person you're gonna have a bad time. | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:26 Vorlik wrote: LoL is still very stressful because you're playing with 4 other people you can't control. If you're not a team oriented person you're gonna have a bad time. Or you can hit the mute button 4 times and just play for fun. Or find 4 people who aren't raging and play with them. Worst-case scenario: you and your friend shout at each other, and then go and have a drink or two. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On November 23 2012 19:10 raVenwomBat wrote: Imo, this is the real "elephant in the room". I think something drastic has to happen in order for SCII to catch back up to LoL. I'm really concerned about the recent development... Every player that has "switched" to LoL has had virtually no success in SC2. Players who lose interest are gonna retire from SC2 no matter what. They just happen to announce in the same breath it was LoL they moved to. It has no impact on SC2 other than drive sc2 doomsday fanatics up the wall. | ||
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MiQ
Canada312 Posts
SC2 produces the better all around progamers, no question about it. | ||
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WhX
Germany778 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:40 rd wrote: Every player that has "switched" to LoL has had virtually no success in SC2. Players who lose interest are gonna retire from SC2 no matter what. They just happen to announce in the same breath it was LoL they moved to. It has no impact on SC2 other than drive sc2 doomsday fanatics up the wall. Puzzle? Coca? No Success? While it's true that they didn't post the same results as last year, they actually were successful and talented. | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:41 MiQ wrote: I find news like this pretty funny, simply proves how much harder SC2 is. The game is a lot more taxing on the players and they have a lot more on the line than those playign team games. SC2 produces the better all around progamers, no question about it. [citation needed] I suck at sc2, so I switch and play LoL. Proceed to suck at LoL. Where is the difference? Oh, it is that LoL is more fun to play if you don't care about playing seriously. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:45 WhX wrote: Puzzle? Coca? No Success? While it's true that they didn't post the same results as last year, they actually were successful and talented. fruitdealer the trendsetter! where is he now? | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On November 24 2012 02:49 Oboeman wrote: fruitdealer the trendsetter! where is he now? probably at the bar GL inori in LoL. Sad to see another player retire but I understand why you would | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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