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On November 12 2012 03:13 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:07 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:00 Glurkenspurk wrote:On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote:
Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad???
This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op.
Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP.
..They should let infestor broodlord maintain its current state because another race was imba for a longer time? That's like letting black people enslave white people for a few years to make up for slavery in the US. You should try to reach a balance, not just periodically let one race be imba imba to make up for other balance mistakes. Also almost every code a interview had the players complaining about balance, even Nestea. Sometimes I think people like you just want to cry about anything they can. Infestors have not been buffed to all the sudden make them "op" People who are not pros, watch the GSL and see a certain thing win, then crawl back to the forums and state its "oP"....when the real fact is, it has not effect on people below gm, or even people in GM, because they lose due to their own skill lvl not a unit. Zergs were losing often and least represented in the GSL last year......infestor was the same back then, as it is now.........mmm what can it be??? o ya, Pros get better and the skill cap increases, they learned to use a certain unit combo well, and that makes it op??? come on now. Yeah. sometimes I think people do like to cry about anything they can. Infestor was buffed, as fungal now has way more dps -- enough to rip apart marines. The old fungal never did that. And just because players got better, doesn't mean anything can't not be imbalanced. The fact was, it could have been imbalanced the entire time until players learned how to use it correctly. Come on now.
Stop trolling. or if you are srsr, did you just start playing sc2? infestors have never been buffed, I'm not sure what game u are playing.....the last balance of infestor nerfed the fungal dmg and the range of NP....Bad troll is Bad
The old fungal back in the day, did more dmg, and people use to NP everything with its long range, Blizzard did the correct thing, nerfed fungal dmg and pretty much removed NP from the game.......now all the sudden people cry about something just because they see Korean Zergs doing well all the sudden??? please.
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On November 12 2012 02:57 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 02:48 Abusion wrote:On November 12 2012 02:39 bobdabillda wrote:
Fungal projectiles might be too weak against blink stalkers, no? I mean, pros with good blink micro should be able to dodge some if not all of the projectiles when they see the animation. They can repeat to burn infestor energy. Or would the animation be too fast? From the video posted in the thread, it seems slower than EMP. so reward good micro? don't you think that's a good thing? that would be easy micro for pros and blink stalkers as they are right now are borderline op. Without fungal they are pretty much unstoppable.
without fungal? the suggestion is turning it into a projectile not removal of it. The problem with fungal is that it is NOT dodgeable and once it lands you cant micro afterward either....emp is virtually undodgeable but you can do splits, blink, micro in some form afterwards, storm is a little slower...much stronger, and you can still micro after its cast. Fungal you cant micro before OR after. This change would allow some form of counter micro which is good. right now its fungal range lock down chain death...very boring
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On November 12 2012 03:16 Melaine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:13 rd wrote:On November 12 2012 03:07 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:00 Glurkenspurk wrote:On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote:
Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad???
This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op.
Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP.
..They should let infestor broodlord maintain its current state because another race was imba for a longer time? That's like letting black people enslave white people for a few years to make up for slavery in the US. You should try to reach a balance, not just periodically let one race be imba imba to make up for other balance mistakes. Also almost every code a interview had the players complaining about balance, even Nestea. Sometimes I think people like you just want to cry about anything they can. Infestors have not been buffed to all the sudden make them "op" People who are not pros, watch the GSL and see a certain thing win, then crawl back to the forums and state its "oP"....when the real fact is, it has not effect on people below gm, or even people in GM, because they lose due to their own skill lvl not a unit. Zergs were losing often and least represented in the GSL last year......infestor was the same back then, as it is now.........mmm what can it be??? o ya, Pros get better and the skill cap increases, they learned to use a certain unit combo well, and that makes it op??? come on now. Yeah. sometimes I think people do like to cry about anything they can. Infestor was buffed, as fungal now has way more dps -- enough to rip apart marines. The old fungal never did that. And just because players got better, doesn't mean anything can't not be imbalanced. The fact was, it could have been imbalanced the entire time until players learned how to use it correctly. Come on now. Stop trolling. or if you are srsr, did you just start playing sc2? infestors have never been buffed, I'm not sure what game u are playing.....the last balance of infestor nerfed the fungal dmg and the range of NP....Bad troll is Bad The old fungal back in the day, did more dmg, and people use to NP everything with its long range, Blizzard did the correct thing, nerfed fungal dmg and pretty much removed NP from the game.......now all the sudden people cry about something just because they see Korean Zergs doing well all the sudden??? please.
Did you just start playing SC2? There was a huge Buff to fungal damage sometime last year
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On November 12 2012 02:25 LOLingBuddha wrote:
can you smell what the rock is cooking?
tbh kinda of expected but glad to see that they arent just blind to the communitie's concerns
That video was really amazing
All of highlights are pvt
All of the combats are 50 goons vs 2 tanks or something like that, too bad that baezzi's channel went down
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On November 12 2012 03:16 Melaine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:13 rd wrote:On November 12 2012 03:07 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:00 Glurkenspurk wrote:On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote:
Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad???
This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op.
Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP.
..They should let infestor broodlord maintain its current state because another race was imba for a longer time? That's like letting black people enslave white people for a few years to make up for slavery in the US. You should try to reach a balance, not just periodically let one race be imba imba to make up for other balance mistakes. Also almost every code a interview had the players complaining about balance, even Nestea. Sometimes I think people like you just want to cry about anything they can. Infestors have not been buffed to all the sudden make them "op" People who are not pros, watch the GSL and see a certain thing win, then crawl back to the forums and state its "oP"....when the real fact is, it has not effect on people below gm, or even people in GM, because they lose due to their own skill lvl not a unit. Zergs were losing often and least represented in the GSL last year......infestor was the same back then, as it is now.........mmm what can it be??? o ya, Pros get better and the skill cap increases, they learned to use a certain unit combo well, and that makes it op??? come on now. Yeah. sometimes I think people do like to cry about anything they can. Infestor was buffed, as fungal now has way more dps -- enough to rip apart marines. The old fungal never did that. And just because players got better, doesn't mean anything can't not be imbalanced. The fact was, it could have been imbalanced the entire time until players learned how to use it correctly. Come on now. Stop trolling. or if you are srsr, did you just start playing sc2? infestors have never been buffed, I'm not sure what game u are playing.....the last balance of infestor nerfed the fungal dmg and the range of NP....Bad troll is Bad The old fungal back in the day, did more dmg, and people use to NP everything with its long range, Blizzard did the correct thing, nerfed fungal dmg and pretty much removed NP from the game.......now all the sudden people cry about something just because they see Korean Zergs doing well all the sudden??? please.
Sorry but when did YOU start playing SC2? Fungal was buffed way way back then to help with blink stalkers + void rays. Not to mention they got the ability to cast IT while burrowed.
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On November 12 2012 03:16 bobdabillda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 02:48 Abusion wrote:On November 12 2012 02:39 bobdabillda wrote:
Fungal projectiles might be too weak against blink stalkers, no? I mean, pros with good blink micro should be able to dodge some if not all of the projectiles when they see the animation. They can repeat to burn infestor energy. Or would the animation be too fast? From the video posted in the thread, it seems slower than EMP. so reward good micro? don't you think that's a good thing? It's a good thing, but if the speed of the projectile is what it is in that youtube video posted, I think it would be a bit too easy to micro against it for pros. Especially with blink stalker all-ins, when all of the concentration is on the army. There's no need to try to twist what I'm saying. So I guess they have to balance it according to the speed of the animation of the projection?
Any change that leaves the ability to micro after being fungalled is good in my eyes it doesn't just have to be a projectile just making it a slow or allowing spells to be used whilst being fungalled ( these are just random ideas). But having it a projectile might mean that it's a good thing to flank with infestors and stuff like that making burrowed infestors flanking armies a lot more fun to watch than 1-a- f click- f click- f click.
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On November 12 2012 03:21 magnaflow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:16 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:13 rd wrote:On November 12 2012 03:07 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:00 Glurkenspurk wrote:On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote:
Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad???
This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op.
Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP.
..They should let infestor broodlord maintain its current state because another race was imba for a longer time? That's like letting black people enslave white people for a few years to make up for slavery in the US. You should try to reach a balance, not just periodically let one race be imba imba to make up for other balance mistakes. Also almost every code a interview had the players complaining about balance, even Nestea. Sometimes I think people like you just want to cry about anything they can. Infestors have not been buffed to all the sudden make them "op" People who are not pros, watch the GSL and see a certain thing win, then crawl back to the forums and state its "oP"....when the real fact is, it has not effect on people below gm, or even people in GM, because they lose due to their own skill lvl not a unit. Zergs were losing often and least represented in the GSL last year......infestor was the same back then, as it is now.........mmm what can it be??? o ya, Pros get better and the skill cap increases, they learned to use a certain unit combo well, and that makes it op??? come on now. Yeah. sometimes I think people do like to cry about anything they can. Infestor was buffed, as fungal now has way more dps -- enough to rip apart marines. The old fungal never did that. And just because players got better, doesn't mean anything can't not be imbalanced. The fact was, it could have been imbalanced the entire time until players learned how to use it correctly. Come on now. Stop trolling. or if you are srsr, did you just start playing sc2? infestors have never been buffed, I'm not sure what game u are playing.....the last balance of infestor nerfed the fungal dmg and the range of NP....Bad troll is Bad The old fungal back in the day, did more dmg, and people use to NP everything with its long range, Blizzard did the correct thing, nerfed fungal dmg and pretty much removed NP from the game.......now all the sudden people cry about something just because they see Korean Zergs doing well all the sudden??? please. Did you just start playing SC2? There was a huge Buff to fungal damage sometime last year
Lol Melaine get your facts right.
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On November 12 2012 03:16 Melaine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:13 rd wrote:On November 12 2012 03:07 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:00 Glurkenspurk wrote:On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote:
Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad???
This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op.
Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP.
..They should let infestor broodlord maintain its current state because another race was imba for a longer time? That's like letting black people enslave white people for a few years to make up for slavery in the US. You should try to reach a balance, not just periodically let one race be imba imba to make up for other balance mistakes. Also almost every code a interview had the players complaining about balance, even Nestea. Sometimes I think people like you just want to cry about anything they can. Infestors have not been buffed to all the sudden make them "op" People who are not pros, watch the GSL and see a certain thing win, then crawl back to the forums and state its "oP"....when the real fact is, it has not effect on people below gm, or even people in GM, because they lose due to their own skill lvl not a unit. Zergs were losing often and least represented in the GSL last year......infestor was the same back then, as it is now.........mmm what can it be??? o ya, Pros get better and the skill cap increases, they learned to use a certain unit combo well, and that makes it op??? come on now. Yeah. sometimes I think people do like to cry about anything they can. Infestor was buffed, as fungal now has way more dps -- enough to rip apart marines. The old fungal never did that. And just because players got better, doesn't mean anything can't not be imbalanced. The fact was, it could have been imbalanced the entire time until players learned how to use it correctly. Come on now. Stop trolling. or if you are srsr, did you just start playing sc2? infestors have never been buffed, I'm not sure what game u are playing.....the last balance of infestor nerfed the fungal dmg and the range of NP....Bad troll is Bad
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.1.2
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.3.0
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.4.0
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.4.2
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.4.3
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But the real kicker, the change that wasn't reverted on patch 1.4 was the reduction in Fungal Growth's duration. effectively increasing it's DPS by applying it's damage twice as fast.
1.0 fungal, 36 dmg over 8s: 4.5 dps
1.4 fungal, 30 dmg over 4s: 7.5 dps
Nah, the infestor was never touched, and the account made 10 days ago with 22 posts calls me a troll.
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Make fungal a projectile and nerf infested terrans in some way. Lowering their DPS and/or upping the energy cost would be good.
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Great to see Blizzard finally making some positive changes to SC2 the past few weeks. Hopefully we will see some major nerfs to the Infestor after BWC and this game might be going somewhere.
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On November 12 2012 03:26 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:16 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:13 rd wrote:On November 12 2012 03:07 Melaine wrote:On November 12 2012 03:00 Glurkenspurk wrote:On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote:
Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad???
This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op.
Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP.
..They should let infestor broodlord maintain its current state because another race was imba for a longer time? That's like letting black people enslave white people for a few years to make up for slavery in the US. You should try to reach a balance, not just periodically let one race be imba imba to make up for other balance mistakes. Also almost every code a interview had the players complaining about balance, even Nestea. Sometimes I think people like you just want to cry about anything they can. Infestors have not been buffed to all the sudden make them "op" People who are not pros, watch the GSL and see a certain thing win, then crawl back to the forums and state its "oP"....when the real fact is, it has not effect on people below gm, or even people in GM, because they lose due to their own skill lvl not a unit. Zergs were losing often and least represented in the GSL last year......infestor was the same back then, as it is now.........mmm what can it be??? o ya, Pros get better and the skill cap increases, they learned to use a certain unit combo well, and that makes it op??? come on now. Yeah. sometimes I think people do like to cry about anything they can. Infestor was buffed, as fungal now has way more dps -- enough to rip apart marines. The old fungal never did that. And just because players got better, doesn't mean anything can't not be imbalanced. The fact was, it could have been imbalanced the entire time until players learned how to use it correctly. Come on now. Stop trolling. or if you are srsr, did you just start playing sc2? infestors have never been buffed, I'm not sure what game u are playing.....the last balance of infestor nerfed the fungal dmg and the range of NP....Bad troll is Bad http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.1.2http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.3.0http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.4.0http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.4.2http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Patch_1.4.31.0 fungal: 4.5 dps 1.4 fungal: 7.5 dps Nah, the infestor was never touched, but the account made 10 days ago with 22 posts calls me a troll.
Don't sweat it bro, it's just another zerg player who is concerned he may have to put some effort in to get some wins
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On November 12 2012 03:13 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 02:19 SiguR wrote:
What a succinct and honest statement. I'm sad that the world championships might get fucked over because of the balance, but as long as we're constantly moving towards a better game, I'm happy. People currently overrate how good infestor is, it's mostly a defensive unit, recently Z just started to play more defensive and people feel they have to rush into it, it's like this all the time, people did it as well about the queen change, after short time no one cared about it, same happened when T was OP, etc. and every single time nothing changed, and suddenly it didn't matter at all. People are just too keen on looking on the presence, rather than trying to develop new ways to approach the game, not just like P are doing constantly, making new goals to do the same thing as different timings. Z started to play differently, so P and T should as well
no there is actually just no response for protoss to beat infestor broodlord other then praying for a nice vortex. vs terran infestor broodlord is also very hard to stop but i do admit ravens with seeker missle can be strong if you can get to that point. I think the main issue is that you build infestors in order to counter everything in the game and that is not good game design.
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I'm really beginning to hope Infestors get nerfed into the ground like the whiners want, and GSL ro16 becomes a Zerg free zone again, just so this incessant whining stops.
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On November 12 2012 03:30 sitromit wrote:
I'm really beginning to hope Infestors get nerfed into the ground like the whiners want, and GSL ro16 becomes a Zerg free zone again, just so this incessant whining stops.
The only people I see whining are zergs.
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On November 12 2012 03:30 sitromit wrote:
I'm really beginning to hope Infestors get nerfed into the ground like the whiners want, and GSL ro16 becomes a Zerg free zone again, just so this incessant whining stops.
They waited 6 months so they could nerf it into the ground and undo all the patience they put into approaching this as sensitively as possible? Get over it.
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On November 12 2012 03:31 Abusion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:30 sitromit wrote:
I'm really beginning to hope Infestors get nerfed into the ground like the whiners want, and GSL ro16 becomes a Zerg free zone again, just so this incessant whining stops. The only people I see whining are zergs.
Yeah, it's Zergs making a new thread everyday whining about Infestors. You got me there.
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On November 12 2012 03:32 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:31 Abusion wrote:On November 12 2012 03:30 sitromit wrote:
I'm really beginning to hope Infestors get nerfed into the ground like the whiners want, and GSL ro16 becomes a Zerg free zone again, just so this incessant whining stops. The only people I see whining are zergs. Yeah, it's Zergs making a new thread everyday whining about Infestors. You got me there.
I run in to a lot of Zergs on ladder, when asked will say that they think ZvT is way too easy atm. I also personally have a friend who doesnt play anymore because infestor ---> BL is so ungodly boring.
It's gotten to the point where all but the most desperate of Zerg players knows that the Infestor is way too strong.
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On November 12 2012 03:27 SupLilSon wrote:
Great to see Blizzard finally making some positive changes to SC2 the past few weeks. Hopefully we will see some major nerfs to the Infestor after BWC and this game might be going somewhere.
Sort of agree, there are changes/optimizations necessary as the game became rather stale. And fungal too universally applicable for that matter.
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On November 12 2012 03:31 Abusion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 03:30 sitromit wrote:
I'm really beginning to hope Infestors get nerfed into the ground like the whiners want, and GSL ro16 becomes a Zerg free zone again, just so this incessant whining stops. The only people I see whining are zergs.
You're both wrong. As long as there exists an active and passionate community there will always be some complaining. You can't please everybody and you can't stop them from voicing their opinions.
The only thing you can do is try to see through the QQ and enjoy starcraft for what is really is, a game.
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