EPTnerf-ing infestors, either fungal or ITs or both would be huge no matter how small the change is, would make it even harder to balance
projectile maybe is the best solution
"Rock" comments about the Infestor (Blue post) - Page 3
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ETisME
12700 Posts
nerf-ing infestors, either fungal or ITs or both would be huge no matter how small the change is, would make it even harder to balance projectile maybe is the best solution | ||
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Melaine
United States56 Posts
This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op. Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:40 CajunMan wrote: Ya basically the biggest issue is if they change it too much Zerg will lose every fucking game all of a sudden its back to roach hydra every PvZ so we can get rofl stomped by ffs Yea because Zerg never wins against Protoss outside of BL Infestor. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
 This is going to be so tricky for blizz to fix because it's true that if it gets nerfed so hard, zerg is going to lose to a lot of all-ins because they count on it as a survival unit early on. However, because they can survive due to them, it makes zerg too strong late game. It's such a delicate balance and I will wait to see what blizzard comes up with. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
think its enough. The spell will be there, still chaining units which cant do anything about it. Unless he dode the projectile but while it lands it will get chained. Tho, if they change other things like range on it and ghost emp range etc etc. It is not zergy enough the zerg race, it lacks cuz of the infestor. I want to see the infestor redesigned and buff zerg in another way or something. As it is now infestor is really boring unit Edit: What i mean is it is not about balanced #1, its about it is a boring unit thats the problem to me | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Be thankful that they're so patient with you guys, this is sort of disappointing but respectful how Rock stoops low for guys. This is literally like the best answer they could give though, but yet I bet people will still criticize him for "being blind, thinking the infestor is fine, saying the infestor is fine due to 50/50 winrate in TvZ, ignoring the community" and on and on. It's getting tiring and i get quite ashamed of being a SC2 fan. (I'm expressing my disgust with SC2 fans, namely Bnet, but it even happens here especially recently on TL... come on guys we can do better!) | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote: Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad??? This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op. Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. im surprised you can be so frustrated when the majority of people on this website especially the older players with more RTS experience would tell you that the infestor is bad for Sc2 and bad for esports. if you truly love the zerg race you will understand that they might have to nerf your "support caster" to fill it's role as a support caster and pick up the slack in other areas zerg lacks like harass lategame and unit efficiency without infestor support. | ||
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Masayume
Netherlands208 Posts
Yeah his ground size is sometimes a weird kind of buff. Especially when trying to tag him wtih EMP. My Post: + Show Spoiler + Thank you so much for describing the current thoughts on the matter. It puts the mind at ease for those at doubt, especially after recent interviews. As for suggestions, one I hoped to see on that list was: -Decrease the size of the infestor (EMP/AOE hits more infestors, punishes clumping and bad positioning) As the infestor is extremely large for being a ground-based spellcaster, this would be a good place to make a change as well as all the options mentioned in the original post. Thank you for the transparent communication Rock! | ||
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Abusion
United Kingdom184 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:39 bobdabillda wrote: Fungal projectiles might be too weak against blink stalkers, no? I mean, pros with good blink micro should be able to dodge some if not all of the projectiles when they see the animation. They can repeat to burn infestor energy. Or would the animation be too fast? From the video posted in the thread, it seems slower than EMP. so reward good micro? don't you think that's a good thing? | ||
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Melaine
United States56 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:45 c0sm0naut wrote: im surprised you can be so frustrated when the majority of people on this website especially the older players with more RTS experience would tell you that the infestor is bad for Sc2 and bad for esports. if you truly love the zerg race you will understand that they might have to nerf your "support caster" to fill it's role as a support caster and pick up the slack in other areas zerg lacks like harass lategame and unit efficiency without infestor support. My post is not "frustrated" it's just stupid and dumb what people in America choose to cry over, When the GSL casters themselfs and tons of Korean pros have stated, that zerg is strong right now because of the player not because of infestors. People just seem to want to cry over every little thing, last year it was "Protoss is op vs terran" and then mvp showed you people how to play and the crying went away. If infestors are so "op" then why was zerg losing all last year??? Infestor was the same last year as it is now?? All I see is the PLAYER getting better in South Korean, and people in other places just seem want to cry about it instead of trying to get better. Last year we had mostly Protoss and Terrans in Code s, Now its still Terrans, and zerg picked up the slack.....All I see is Players getting better, and the intro of Kespa skill..... | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:48 Melaine wrote: My post is not "frustrated" it's just stupid and dumb what people in America choose to cry over, When the GSL casters themselfs and tons of Korean pros have stated, that zerg is strong right now because of the player not because of infestors. People just seem to want to cry over every little thing, last year it was "Protoss is op vs terran" and then mvp showed you people how to play and the crying went away. If infestors are so "op" then why was zerg losing all last year??? Infestor was the same last year as it is now?? All I see is the PLAYER getting better in South Korean, and people in other places just seem want to cry about it instead of trying to get better. Last year we had mostly Protoss and Terrans in Code s, Now its still Terrans, and zerg picked up the slack.....All I see is Players getting better, and the intro of Kespa skill..... Maybe the Zergs finally figured it out? | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Sigh, what more do people want? Rock already basically mentioned most of all of this in previous posts, but yet he has to post this because of all the ignorant people that can't read or refuse to actually look up his posts before criticizing him/david. Be thankful that they're so patient with you guys, this is sort of disappointing but respectful how Rock stoops low for guys. This is literally like the best answer they could give though, but yet I bet people (esp on bnet) will still criticize him for "being blind, thinking the infestor is fine, saying the infestor is fine due to 50/50 winrate in TvZ, ignoring the community" and on and on. It's getting tiring and i get quite ashamed of being a SC2 fan. You're getting ashamed for being an SCII fan because of people who ride a bandwagon and don't think for themselves? It's almost like how I get ashamed whenever I see all the people riding the joyride bandwagon, refusing to admit that there are ways this game can change, there ARE ways it can be improved, and that these things SHOULD happen. At the end of the day, the source of mine and many others complaints is a dissatisfaction that stems from a deep PASSION for the game and community that we want to see made even better. It's hard to be satisfied with this game, especially given the amount of time I've invested in it...seeing the amount of community backlash that has occurred in the past month or so (especially all the bandwagoning) makes it even harder... This feels like a paltry concession that things need to change. How many people need to bitch and whine for them to fucking conceed these changes? Apparently we need these sort of things to make progress. | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:41 Melaine wrote: Fungle has been nerfed several times over the years......I don't understand the fuss.....Terran+protoss had their flavor of the month op, terran was op for 2 years and we had only Terran Gsl's, zerg has few months of great results......and people cry like mad??? This is the only Gsl season code s out of years and many seasons that we finnaly have alot of zergs in the group....and its not because of infestor.....infestors were the same as they were last year and zergs were losing.....only change was the Korean Zergs got better........you guys act like they did a major buff on infestors and all the sudden they are op. Such silly things people choose to cry about just because their race is losing. I'm surprised Team Liquid puts up with the mass infestor posts and does not start deleting most of them. Why can't people just not cry, and just learn to get better in the game and have fun?? The Korean Pros get better and overcome anything because they do not cry and moan about things that are not even that OP. How was it over the years? lol. And its been only nerfed once cuz it auto raped protoss units. Its been becuz of infestors for a long long time and alot of pro gamers agree infsetor bl is too strong. Why u in denial? | ||
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Zheryn
Sweden3653 Posts
The best way to change it if you're not going to redesign it would probably be to nerf the size a bit of it and increase the energy cost of IT by 5-10. | ||
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Rui.S
Canada92 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:48 Melaine wrote: My post is not "frustrated" it's just stupid and dumb what people in America choose to cry over, When the GSL casters themselfs and tons of Korean pros have stated, that zerg is strong right now because of the player not because of infestors. People just seem to want to cry over every little thing, last year it was "Protoss is op vs terran" and then mvp showed you people how to play and the crying went away. If infestors are so "op" then why was zerg losing all last year??? Infestor was the same last year as it is now?? All I see is the PLAYER getting better in South Korean, and people in other places just seem want to cry about it instead of trying to get better. Last year we had mostly Protoss and Terrans in Code s, Now its still Terrans, and zerg picked up the slack.....All I see is Players getting better, and the intro of Kespa skill..... because there was a massive queen patch that allowed you to get 70 drones and 3 bases while hardly making any units -.-, this allows you to make mass amounts of infestors midgame and transition into a super fast hive. Ghosts were also hugely nerfed after being "too viable against anything zerg" in tvz while infestors are good vs any unit in the game, and IS made vs every single unit composition in the game. I'm sure you weren't complaining that people were crying for balance patches when snipe was strong, and i'm sure you weren't complaining when blizzard decided to buff queens and overlords EVEN though the tvz matchup had been 50% and perfect at the time. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
I think it would be a lot better for the game if you had to save up for it and be more careful when you used it. Fungal as a projectile seems like a no brainer to me, was never sure why they went away from that. Same with emp. | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
Well, Blizzard will be watching the WCS very closely, so if we see nothing but Infestor and a ZvZ final, that'll light a fire under their ass. I'm hoping I'm wrong and these unexplored counters to Infestor are right around the corner. =P | ||
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Melaine
United States56 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:52 OpTiKDream wrote: How was it over the years? lol. And its been only nerfed once cuz it auto raped protoss units. Its been becuz of infestors for a long long time and alot of pro gamers agree infsetor bl is too strong. Why u in denial? The stats are in front of your face, This is the only Season out of the entire time Starcraft 2 has been out, that zergs are doing well @ the highest lvl of play.........and this does not even effect people who are below GM, as they lose to having poor skills in general, not because a unit is "op" sigh. "Waits for the next QQ about something else being OP" | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:54 Cloak wrote: Well, Blizzard will be watching the WCS very closely, so if we see nothing but Infestor and a ZvZ final, that'll light a fire under their ass. I'm hoping I'm wrong and these unexplored counters to Infestor are right around the corner. =P There aren't enough Korean Zergs at WCS to really make much of a conclusion, if you ask me. We should be looking more at the GSL. | ||
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Roth
Germany165 Posts
On November 12 2012 02:52 OpTiKDream wrote: How was it over the years? lol. And its been only nerfed once cuz it auto raped protoss units. Its been becuz of infestors for a long long time and alot of pro gamers agree infsetor bl is too strong. Why u in denial? May it be that Infestor/Broodlord is too strong. I see that by myself as a zerg player but the thing he points out is that the reason why Infestors are so strong is that people started to utilize the Infestor more than before. It was the same with Marines. First few seasons Marines would be crushed by Banelings then there came the incredible split. It is skill. | ||
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