EPTeither way, sounds like a good business decision to me, sort of like correcting a bad business decision.
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CptCutter
United Kingdom370 Posts
either way, sounds like a good business decision to me, sort of like correcting a bad business decision. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Marti
552 Posts
On November 11 2012 12:46 Doodsmack wrote: Interesting that the sponsor's condition clearly is caused by past dramas in the scene. Sponsors are now requiring that players be kept on a tight leash? Clearly the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns had an effect. And I would say its definitely for the worse. THIS x1000 Nobody seems to really care about that part but i think it's by far the most important thing about this news (much more than a few players being kicked ) . | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
I feel bad for the SC2 players but I hope the organisation can continue to grow, I definitely enjoy watching their Dota 2 team  | ||
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PiQLiQ
Sweden702 Posts
On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote: A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. What did i just read? :O2k. | ||
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Everize
Poland176 Posts
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much? Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot. -> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote: The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet. Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much? Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot. -> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. How old is this owner?  | ||
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mazz0r
Estonia108 Posts
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Everize
Poland176 Posts
20's? I'm assuming. | ||
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bullseyel
United States52 Posts
On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote: How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... Most people on their staff was from Team Legion, the other Team Legion, not the one that merged with FXOpen. The Team Legion that lead to the disbanded LoL team. Same with some of their players. | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
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EggYsc2
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
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GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote: The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet. Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much? Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot. -> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. Feels like this post from Everize deserves attention as his personal knowledge is infinitely better than our baseless speculation. Seems this team is not built on solid fundamental financing...Anyone remember Lazarus Gaming and what happened when their wealthy early 20s owner stopped caring about having a team? I have watched the LoL pulse team, they are pretty good but not yet top 5 in NA. They have been doing well in the online Solomid tourneys, almost winning a few weeks ago I think? | ||
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-TGO-
United States156 Posts
On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote: The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet. Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much? Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot. -> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. Quoting it again because it's the only knowledge we have on this lol. I hope everything goes well still with Pulse sc2 A-team, I wonder what happened to their Blue team/ | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
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Proziam
United States18 Posts
On November 12 2012 09:16 GhoSt[shield] wrote: Feels like this post from Everize deserves attention as his personal knowledge is infinitely better than our baseless speculation. Seems this team is not built on solid fundamental financing...Anyone remember Lazarus Gaming and what happened when their wealthy early 20s owner stopped caring about having a team? I have watched the LoL pulse team, they are pretty good but not yet top 5 in NA. They have been doing well in the online Solomid tourneys, almost winning a few weeks ago I think? Our players aren't privy to any financial information with the exception of Rekinn who is doubling as staff. It is true that the two players we retained were our least paid, but they were also the players the sponsors were least concerned about. On that point I will explain a bit further so people can get a firmer understanding of how this works. We have a strong LoL and Dota team, which is a huge draw for our sponsors. Our Sc2 players had a much smaller following in total, whilst also having much more freedom contractually speaking. Because of this, the sponsor decided it was a hard sell and reduced their offer significantly. Because of this, we decided that it was best to focus on our other ventures first, and then expand back into Starcraft II once we had a more stable relationship. In general it comes down to a risk reward analysis when dealing with sponsors and our Starcraft team was considered too large a risk for them to want to commit. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On November 11 2012 20:26 pStar wrote: Idra seriously just needs to fuck off. How can he have the nerd to call a team bad when he is terrible. You seem bitter. | ||
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Seanza
171 Posts
 Of course the others as well, but I feel desRow is being let down over and over again. | ||
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ReKinn
United States32 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
On November 12 2012 10:43 Proziam wrote: Our players aren't privy to any financial information with the exception of Rekinn who is doubling as staff. It is true that the two players we retained were our least paid, but they were also the players the sponsors were least concerned about. On that point I will explain a bit further so people can get a firmer understanding of how this works. We have a strong LoL and Dota team, which is a huge draw for our sponsors. Our Sc2 players had a much smaller following in total, whilst also having much more freedom contractually speaking. Because of this, the sponsor decided it was a hard sell and reduced their offer significantly. Because of this, we decided that it was best to focus on our other ventures first, and then expand back into Starcraft II once we had a more stable relationship. In general it comes down to a risk reward analysis when dealing with sponsors and our Starcraft team was considered too large a risk for them to want to commit. You're really tiptoeing around what people actually want you to say, which is: You messed up and should be sorry to the players. Unless you can answer this, which you've just been circling around Well then be honest: What sorts of poor decision making went into this clearly failed project? Then really to everyone else all it looks like is you got a bunch of good players, got into contact with sponsors because you had them, then dropped the ones that were too expensive because it was inconvenient to you. This has nothing to do with LoL. It was what you did before, while, and how you went about removing the majority of your SC2 roster. Moreover, Everize saying your only funding is coming from your parents does not help your case. You have not said anything factual to prove otherwise as you just said he was wrong, and doesn't know, but that just leaves us with a case of he said she said. So you just want us to take your word while you inconvenience people in a physical manner? Sounds like mark-to-market accounting lmao. I mean truthfully, I do want to understand that you're a new team struggling to come into the SC2 scene and other areas are much more lucrative - as you see success with your LoL team - however, you more than likely should have thought this out a bit further; unless of course, dropping 80% of your team was part of your plan within a month? People who run teams like this really should be happy that the players don't just turn around and completely deface the team, as it's practically the only insurance they have at that point. Most people who have been getting screwed like this in the SC2 scene just suck it up, but it's probably starting to get a little old for players like Desrow who jump on with more and more teams who pop up then fade out. | ||
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