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desRow, Everize and JEcho were all released from the team. Maker already having parted ways with Pulse, leaves only Kane and HelloKitty remaining on the A team.
desRow "They downsized the team and laid off me, Everize and Jecho. Kitty and Kane remains on the team, priority is individual league, not team leagues." FB:desRowfighting
https://twitter.com/desRowfighting
joseph lopez @pulseJEcho
Well, that was shortlived.
https://twitter.com/pulsejecho
Make sure to show your support for Pulse!
Response from Pulse:
On November 11 2012 09:28 Proziam wrote:
I feel like I should clarify a few things here.
First off, the reason for the downsize was due to sponsor negotiations where the sponsors didn't feel comfortable with the contracts we had in place for some of the starcraft players as it gave them freedom that could end up reflecting poorly on them. As a result, we would have to offer new contracts or terminate the contracts in order to get the sponsors to agree.
Couple this with the fact that we are also now covering console teams and it makes it more worthwhile to focus on a smaller core group of starcraft players in larger tournaments, than to have a larger group in team leagues.
Anyway, I know we're probably going to take some flak for this and I think it's justified. But I just ask that people understand that surviving in this industry requires working with sponsors and in many cases they are in a dominant position. We bear no ill will toward any of the players we have released and wish them the best of luck.
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I don't think anyone saw this coming....
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Well that was was fast wonder why.
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Ridiculous. Poor players.
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Not sure why they let jEcho or Everize go. Either funds are lacking or there's a miscommunication of what was agreed upon, I don't know.
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... why bother having a team if you're not going to have a team?
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On November 11 2012 08:42 Torte de Lini wrote:
Not sure why they let jEcho or Everize go. Either funds are lacking or there's a miscommunication of what was agreed upon, I don't know.
Yeah and they keep Kitty and Kane? I always saw everize as pretty strong and jEcho as well.
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the pride of Chicago. that's too bad
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Site is down for almost 30 days, holy balls
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any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance.
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On November 11 2012 08:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
Site is down for almost 30 days, holy balls
My rule of thumb is, if they give you an ETA on a site - or an ETA on anything without preemptively securing you something don't even bother. I feel bad for these players, but I assume they didn't have a contract... And for how good/well known most of them are I see this to be just something they rushed into. Though, the players are the victims so you can't blame them. I hope they find new homes and prosper; and on the other hand teams like this, those that assure others something they can't provide, stop showing up in the scene.
(of course, assuming the implied facts here are correct!)
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damn, that seems messed up for the players :X
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desRow..... why anyone would hire him in the first place with all the evidence of his attitude floating around is beyond me.
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lol. so many freaking flakes in the community. you either do it right or you don't do it at all.
just makes the entire scene look bad, deters other people from doing a better job and wastes players' time.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Interesting
Hope Wagamama and co are alright.
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On November 11 2012 08:55 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance.
desrow is kinda known, but none of the guys performed at all.
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On November 11 2012 09:20 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 08:55 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance. desrow is kinda known, but none of the guys performed at all.
they're all ladder warriors like gowser.
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i honestly feel bad for the players. seems unfair to them, but i am curious as to how they were released and if they were compensated because i assume they were contracted
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just learned about the downsizing today, sad to see some of my friends leave the team 
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I feel like I should clarify a few things here.
First off, the reason for the downsize was due to sponsor negotiations where the sponsors didn't feel comfortable with the contracts we had in place for some of the starcraft players as it gave them freedom that could end up reflecting poorly on them. As a result, we would have to offer new contracts or terminate the contracts in order to get the sponsors to agree.
Couple this with the fact that we are also now covering console teams and it makes it more worthwhile to focus on a smaller core group of starcraft players in larger tournaments, than to have a larger group in team leagues.
Anyway, I know we're probably going to take some flak for this and I think it's justified. But I just ask that people understand that surviving in this industry requires working with sponsors and in many cases they are in a dominant position. We bear no ill will toward any of the players we have released and wish them the best of luck.
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I think its impossible for Desrow to ever stay on a team for more than a month or two.
Always something unfortunate.
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Okay so I honestly want to know more about Pulse eSports, they have a pretty good League of Legends team, but they had to drop people because of "sponsor issues", who are they even sponsored by? They don't have a functioning website, and they don't have their sponsors listed anywhere. They announced a roster late September, and little over a month later they lose all but two of their players. It really is weird and pretty shady, also the OP is pretty underwritten. These aren't nobodies, people know DesRow and there isn't even a proper write up. So overall I just wish that there was more information or transparency in Pulse, not just "roster downsizing."
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On November 11 2012 09:28 Proziam wrote:
I feel like I should clarify a few things here.
First off, the reason for the downsize was due to sponsor negotiations where the sponsors didn't feel comfortable with the contracts we had in place for some of the starcraft players as it gave them freedom that could end up reflecting poorly on them. As a result, we would have to offer new contracts or terminate the contracts in order to get the sponsors to agree.
Couple this with the fact that we are also now covering console teams and it makes it more worthwhile to focus on a smaller core group of starcraft players in larger tournaments, than to have a larger group in team leagues.
Anyway, I know we're probably going to take some flak for this and I think it's justified. But I just ask that people understand that surviving in this industry requires working with sponsors and in many cases they are in a dominant position. We bear no ill will toward any of the players we have released and wish them the best of luck.
this should be put in the OP as a response from someone that seems to play a role in Pulse eSports
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noo Desbro
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good luck to desrow, he just got on the team and now this ... bad break
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I hope Desrow finds a team taht can support him long term. Poor guy is hopping around teams here and there.
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I'm not a Desrow fan, but I wonder why they'd rather keep someone (Kane, not sure about Kitty's situation) that has no intent on being a progamer, whereas Desrow is dedicating to this.
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On November 11 2012 09:21 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 09:20 Aunvilgod wrote:On November 11 2012 08:55 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance. desrow is kinda known, but none of the guys performed at all. they're all ladder warriors like gowser.
Kane and JEcho performed pretty well in WCS Canada,.as well as have strong results on ladder. JEcho also had some strong games in team leagues with Infinity Seven.
Feel bad for desRow though, cant find a steady team.
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On November 11 2012 10:15 vultdylan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 09:21 Gamegene wrote:On November 11 2012 09:20 Aunvilgod wrote:On November 11 2012 08:55 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance. desrow is kinda known, but none of the guys performed at all. they're all ladder warriors like gowser. Kane and JEcho performed pretty well in WCS Canada,.as well as have strong results on ladder. JEcho also had some strong games in team leagues with Infinity Seven. Feel bad for desRow though, cant find a steady team.
i performed like COMPLETE shit in WCS canada hahahahaha
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new team is announced. 2 months later they cut more then half their players..
seems legit.
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On November 11 2012 10:31 LgNKane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:15 vultdylan wrote:On November 11 2012 09:21 Gamegene wrote:On November 11 2012 09:20 Aunvilgod wrote:On November 11 2012 08:55 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance. desrow is kinda known, but none of the guys performed at all. they're all ladder warriors like gowser. Kane and JEcho performed pretty well in WCS Canada,.as well as have strong results on ladder. JEcho also had some strong games in team leagues with Infinity Seven. Feel bad for desRow though, cant find a steady team. i performed like COMPLETE shit in WCS canada hahahahaha
same,
w.e nothing can be done, and FYI we were contracted.
gl to kane and kitty.
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wheres idra when you need him, hes gonna love this
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On November 11 2012 09:28 Proziam wrote:
I feel like I should clarify a few things here.
First off, the reason for the downsize was due to sponsor negotiations where the sponsors didn't feel comfortable with the contracts we had in place for some of the starcraft players as it gave them freedom that could end up reflecting poorly on them. As a result, we would have to offer new contracts or terminate the contracts in order to get the sponsors to agree.
Couple this with the fact that we are also now covering console teams and it makes it more worthwhile to focus on a smaller core group of starcraft players in larger tournaments, than to have a larger group in team leagues.
Anyway, I know we're probably going to take some flak for this and I think it's justified. But I just ask that people understand that surviving in this industry requires working with sponsors and in many cases they are in a dominant position. We bear no ill will toward any of the players we have released and wish them the best of luck.
So... you had players who signed contracts. You got new sponsors and suddenly - whoops! Those contracts don't count.
Seems totally legit.
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random team is random, kane and hellokitty shud already be looking for another team lol
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When are these teams gonna have their money right?
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On November 11 2012 10:35 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 09:28 Proziam wrote:
I feel like I should clarify a few things here.
First off, the reason for the downsize was due to sponsor negotiations where the sponsors didn't feel comfortable with the contracts we had in place for some of the starcraft players as it gave them freedom that could end up reflecting poorly on them. As a result, we would have to offer new contracts or terminate the contracts in order to get the sponsors to agree.
Couple this with the fact that we are also now covering console teams and it makes it more worthwhile to focus on a smaller core group of starcraft players in larger tournaments, than to have a larger group in team leagues.
Anyway, I know we're probably going to take some flak for this and I think it's justified. But I just ask that people understand that surviving in this industry requires working with sponsors and in many cases they are in a dominant position. We bear no ill will toward any of the players we have released and wish them the best of luck. So... you had players who signed contracts. You got new sponsors and suddenly - whoops! Those contracts don't count. Seems totally legit. ...
This is worse than the implications I posted :/ Seems like more danger waiting to happen T_T
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im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad????????
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On November 11 2012 10:35 Aveng3r wrote:
wheres idra when you need him, hes gonna love this
User was warned for this post
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On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad????????
contracts mean little to nothing (at least in the players interests) what are we going to do, sue and pay more than we'd ever get even if by some miracle we won.
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I feel bad for the players. I really hope that their Dota2-team Skånes Elit is still fine.
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On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad????????
was waiting for this, stay golden ponyboy
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Interesting that the sponsor's condition clearly is caused by past dramas in the scene. Sponsors are now requiring that players be kept on a tight leash? Clearly the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns had an effect. And I would say its definitely for the worse.
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I really despise these flake teams. If I were the people still left on their roster, I would begin pursuing a new team asap.
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On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad????????
A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing.
B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2.
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On November 11 2012 12:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Interesting that the sponsor's condition clearly is caused by past dramas in the scene. Sponsors are now requiring that players be kept on a tight leash? Clearly the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns had an effect. And I would say its definitely for the worse.
This. This is huge and I am glad someone said it, because it's honestly going to become a serious issue especially for smaller teams who don't have as much leverage.
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On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2.
wow what little professionalism this company had was taken care of by this post
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This reminded me of a shitty team...
I can't seem to remember the name...
+ Show Spoiler +
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On November 11 2012 13:20 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. wow what little professionalism this company had was taken care of by this post
You would prefer everyone keep their opinions closeted because they are scared of being called "unprofessional?" Why should he get a free pass, but if any of the pulse players said the same thing they get banned? In truth, I do keep it pretty clean because I have other interests to be mindful of. But I won't be dishonest in my opinions, and I'm not going to let someone openly bad mouth my players even if they are separating. Take it or leave it, but professionalism is over-rated and honesty is under valued.
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Didn't the team just start?
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i have been a huge pulse fan and have followed them closely and can understand why this happened however the players released were all good and strong players. best of luck to the released and remaining players. maybe in the future some will return but other then dreamhack the players did not put a huge hole in the sc2 community.
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On November 11 2012 13:29 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:20 KoDo wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. wow what little professionalism this company had was taken care of by this post You would prefer everyone keep their opinions closeted because they are scared of being called "unprofessional?" Why should he get a free pass, but if any of the pulse players said the same thing they get banned? In truth, I do keep it pretty clean because I have other interests to be mindful of. But I won't be dishonest in my opinions, and I'm not going to let someone openly bad mouth my players even if they are separating. Take it or leave it, but professionalism is over-rated and honesty is under valued.
Well then be honest: What sorts of poor decision making went into this clearly failed project?
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On November 11 2012 13:46 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:29 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 13:20 KoDo wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. wow what little professionalism this company had was taken care of by this post You would prefer everyone keep their opinions closeted because they are scared of being called "unprofessional?" Why should he get a free pass, but if any of the pulse players said the same thing they get banned? In truth, I do keep it pretty clean because I have other interests to be mindful of. But I won't be dishonest in my opinions, and I'm not going to let someone openly bad mouth my players even if they are separating. Take it or leave it, but professionalism is over-rated and honesty is under valued. Well then be honest: What sorts of poor decision making went into this clearly failed project?
This. Answers plz.
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What a shame. Big mess up on pulses part . . don't make promises you can't keep
Poor players =/
On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2.
And really? A little more professionalism please . . . i guess the bad will just get weeded out naturally in time (i hope atleast)
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Why would anyone ever have ever picked up Desrow....
will never understand why this team hopping nobody is being picked up by any team. has yet to compete in a real tournament.
Has yet to have a single tournament result that would make him desirable.
Don't understand how this guy ever got offered a single deal..let alone multiple. But at the end of the day pretty much every organization that works with him eventually realizes he adds nothing to their team, and we get another one of these threads.
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My hero say the truth and he is awesome because he say what he thinks, even if its always total stupid!
But if someone else dare to say something that was not written by the marketing department and looked over by the law department, he is unprofessional!
Start wear suits all day and only talk nonsense if you want to be professional and successful.
Professional is all about the look and nothing about the substance!
The naive view on the world, many viewers of this community have, shocks me every time.
Even if they are kids, its surprise me how much they see the world as what movies and advertise show it.
If you want to critic how they handled their team do that.
But this "you talk unprofessional", "dont attack my hero", "only publish text that dont say anything or Im offended" shit, that i read to 99% on TL is really annoying.
PS: @idra quoters: stop feeding the trolls. you only give them attention.
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On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad????????
PULSE is a lot more relevant than you are right now.
The most notable thing you've done in the last 2 years is high five Geoff.
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On November 11 2012 14:39 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? PULSE is a lot more relevant than you are right now. The most notable thing you've done in the last 2 years is high five Geoff.
Somebody is jealous
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On November 11 2012 14:40 skatblast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:39 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? PULSE is a lot more relevant than you are right now. The most notable thing you've done in the last 2 years is high five Geoff. Somebody is jealous
The Dane Cook of esports is all I've wanted to be in my life.
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On November 11 2012 13:20 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. wow what little professionalism this company had was taken care of by this post
Why should he stand around and let his team get bashed by idra? He didn't do anything wrong btw how did the guy below idra get warned but not idra? That is a awful job of issuing warnings
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On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2.
How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way...
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On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way...
You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post.
You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone.
By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently.
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On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way...
qft
and @ proziam: too be honest what you said makes no sense. if any of your teams were any bit as popular as IdrA you'd have more than what a 150 followers on twitter? if any of them were as successful, you'd maybe have enough sponsors or leverage to not cut 95% of the talent on your A team. you come into this sc2 platform, horribly assess your budget and leverage and try to recruit all the 'top' NA free agents available at the time without securing proper sponsorships? you essentially made promises you couldnt keep and setback some of these players careers. no you don't have the right to act like a victim here.
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On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently.
to be fair, Pulse picked up their dota team Skane while they were doing ridiculously well so its not like pulse contributed to that success.
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On November 11 2012 15:14 Candide wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. to be fair, Pulse picked up their dota team Skane while they were doing ridiculously well so its not like pulse contributed to that success.
And as we all know, EG cultivates their talent and picks up aspiring amateurs to invest in.
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On November 11 2012 15:17 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:14 Candide wrote:On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. to be fair, Pulse picked up their dota team Skane while they were doing ridiculously well so its not like pulse contributed to that success. And as we all know, EG cultivates their talent and picks up aspiring amateurs to invest in.
Yeah, like Suppy.
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On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. '
So, how bout you stop talking, K? You're clearly in over your head.
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On November 11 2012 15:20 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. ' So, how bout you stop talking, K? You're clearly in over your head.
This just in; you can only post if you want to circlejerk about IdrA.
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On November 11 2012 15:33 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:20 Zennith wrote:On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. ' So, how bout you stop talking, K? You're clearly in over your head. This just in; you can only post if you want to circlejerk about IdrA.
That's clearly what I said.
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On November 11 2012 15:37 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:33 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 15:20 Zennith wrote:On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. ' So, how bout you stop talking, K? You're clearly in over your head. This just in; you can only post if you want to circlejerk about IdrA. That's clearly what I said.
You said that I should stop talking because I think IdrA should be held to the same professional standards as the PULSE representative, or because I pointed out that the PULSE Dota team is doing better than IdrA.
It was implied, either way.
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On November 11 2012 15:19 Venomsflame wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:17 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 15:14 Candide wrote:On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. to be fair, Pulse picked up their dota team Skane while they were doing ridiculously well so its not like pulse contributed to that success. And as we all know, EG cultivates their talent and picks up aspiring amateurs to invest in. Yeah, like Suppy.
They picked up Suppy after he did well at MLG.
Still, glad you can name one player.
On November 11 2012 09:21 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 09:20 Aunvilgod wrote:On November 11 2012 08:55 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance. desrow is kinda known, but none of the guys performed at all. they're all ladder warriors like gowser.
This is the type of shit I can't stand. Idiots making remarks of people who have no way anything to do with a topic just to make a jab at someone. FYI, if you call defeating ToD, qxc, KawaiiRice, ThorZaiN, and barely losing to Polt 2-1 at MLG being a "ladder warrior" then you should just shut the fuck up.
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On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2.
lolololol bad team is bad
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Never heard of the team but never fun when this happens . Hope you find a new home soon!
Glad you keep your Dota boys thou! Those guys are really really skilled as well  .
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On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way...
Surely you can't be serious? Did you even read Idra's post - professionalism is out of the question for both parties, but if we really have to point the gun, idra provoked this unnecessary argument. Was it needed? No. It actually astounds me that idra has the nerve to post using words pertaining to the maturity of that of a 12 year old. Well done idra, EG must be a really professional organisation, the players can freely act like children (and get paid money for absolutely nothing!).
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I like how they at least deal with financial issues before it can get out of hand. It sure beats falling way behind on payment or not being able to send players to tournaments. At least the players are spared that drama, right?
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On November 11 2012 16:01 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 15:19 Venomsflame wrote:On November 11 2012 15:17 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 15:14 Candide wrote:On November 11 2012 14:56 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2. How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way... You complain about their lack of professionalism while defending IdrA in the same post. You lost any credibility in judgement in that alone. By the way, PULSE's Dota 2 team is doing better than IdrA is right now. They've won games recently. to be fair, Pulse picked up their dota team Skane while they were doing ridiculously well so its not like pulse contributed to that success. And as we all know, EG cultivates their talent and picks up aspiring amateurs to invest in. Yeah, like Suppy. They picked up Suppy after he did well at MLG.Still, glad you can name one player. Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 09:21 Gamegene wrote:On November 11 2012 09:20 Aunvilgod wrote:On November 11 2012 08:55 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
any of those guys perform at all? Same with the people they kept, I would be interested to hear from the management what they think about player performance. desrow is kinda known, but none of the guys performed at all. they're all ladder warriors like gowser. This is the type of shit I can't stand. Idiots making remarks of people who have no way anything to do with a topic just to make a jab at someone. FYI, if you call defeating ToD, qxc, KawaiiRice, ThorZaiN, and barely losing to Polt 2-1 at MLG being a "ladder warrior" then you should just shut the fuck up.
Why would an establish team like EG picks up some random player that havent accomplish anything?
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Apologies, pointless post.
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Not sure why you guys get mad over what idra post anymore, he's been irrelevant since 2011. he just needs to stir up some viewership to keep him on EG.
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This thread makes me wonder why I even put effort into positive marketing for my team.
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All these new foreign teams coming up actually need to show they can fucking support their players. This is just, quite frankly, disgraceful.
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On November 11 2012 14:39 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? PULSE is a lot more relevant than you are right now. The most notable thing you've done in the last 2 years is high five Geoff.
Just to kind of show how stupid your post was this is Idra's accomplishments in 2 years:
GSL open 1-3
GSL code S ro16
GSL Code S ro8
Won an MLG
Won ROG Stars invitational
Won IEM Guanghzou
Yeah what shitty results past 2 years (I didn't count EVERY single tournament he played that he did good in or online, just LAN tournaments) and yes those results are within the past 2 years.
Also this team is a joke, to just kick all their players after barely starting? Well sucks for the players, but hopefully they can find decent teams now.
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why are there so many unprofesional teams that appear and disappear so fast...
poor desrow, he never has luck with his teams
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On November 11 2012 18:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
This thread makes me wonder why I even put effort into positive marketing for my team.
DId you learn nothing from reddit and teamliquid?
in Sc2: Marketing = Drama.
If you want to get your name out you must create drama.
No one cares for sc2 related news in an sc2 team... oO
PS: Do you guys who complain about idra realise that you only push him?
He write stuff like this to get attention. Thats what trolls do!
If people would stop complaining about players like deezer, destiny or idra they would be long gone.
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On November 11 2012 19:01 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:39 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? PULSE is a lot more relevant than you are right now. The most notable thing you've done in the last 2 years is high five Geoff. Just to kind of show how stupid your post was this is Idra's accomplishments in 2 years: GSL open 1-3 GSL code S ro16 GSL Code S ro8 Won an MLG Won ROG Stars invitational Won IEM Guanghzou Yeah what shitty results past 2 years (I didn't count EVERY single tournament he played that he did good in or online, just LAN tournaments) and yes those results are within the past 2 years. Also this team is a joke, to just kick all their players after barely starting? Well sucks for the players, but hopefully they can find decent teams now.
It's called hyperbole. I chose 2 years because that's basically his SC2 career, it was my way of saying he's bad at professional SC2.
If I wanted to be literal in his irrelevance, I would've said a year exactly, since the anniversary of the last time he did anything of note was last week.
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Wow.... I actually had no idea how elitist the SC2 community was. Our Dota 2 team is placing against the best teams in the world (The equivalent to coming in top 3 of GSL code S) and our LoL team is already making a splash in the TSM weekly invitationals while only having worked together for a month or two. But, apparently the SC2 community, while being so into the expansion of esports, really doesn't give a shit about more than SC2. People are also disregarding the fact that PULSE is an insanely new team. While it's not that PULSE didn't have the finances to pay the players, as a growing company, they sometimes need to bend to the will of potential sponsors in order for the budget to grow. It's the way of business, people. It's not all about "oh em gee! Let's sign on players and have a team!" Please, try to understand this, everyone. Pulse is growing faster than ever, it just so happens to not be in SC2. That doesn't mean the team is dead.
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why dont you just quit desrow. you see its not working.
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On November 11 2012 19:43 ReKinn wrote:
Wow.... I actually had no idea how elitist the SC2 community was. Our Dota 2 team is placing against the best teams in the world (The equivalent to coming in top 3 of GSL code S) and our LoL team is already making a splash in the TSM weekly invitationals while only having worked together for a month or two. But, apparently the SC2 community, while being so into the expansion of esports, really doesn't give a shit about more than SC2. People are also disregarding the fact that PULSE is an insanely new team. While it's not that PULSE didn't have the finances to pay the players, as a growing company, they sometimes need to bend to the will of potential sponsors in order for the budget to grow. It's the way of business, people. It's not all about "oh em gee! Let's sign on players and have a team!" Please, try to understand this, everyone. Pulse is growing faster than ever, it just so happens to not be in SC2. That doesn't mean the team is dead.
Dude your dota team got signed like.. 3 weeks ago. Their results have about 0 to do with your organization.
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Idra seriously just needs to fuck off.
How can he have the nerve to call a team bad when he is terrible.
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I don't get it, why would you get rid of your best players? (especially when your team isn't that strong to begin with)
:/
Poor players.
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On November 11 2012 19:43 ReKinn wrote:
Wow.... I actually had no idea how elitist the SC2 community was. Our Dota 2 team is placing against the best teams in the world (The equivalent to coming in top 3 of GSL code S) and our LoL team is already making a splash in the TSM weekly invitationals while only having worked together for a month or two. But, apparently the SC2 community, while being so into the expansion of esports, really doesn't give a shit about more than SC2. People are also disregarding the fact that PULSE is an insanely new team. While it's not that PULSE didn't have the finances to pay the players, as a growing company, they sometimes need to bend to the will of potential sponsors in order for the budget to grow. It's the way of business, people. It's not all about "oh em gee! Let's sign on players and have a team!" Please, try to understand this, everyone. Pulse is growing faster than ever, it just so happens to not be in SC2. That doesn't mean the team is dead.
Anyone who closely follows Dota 2 mind verifying this?
Somehow I highly doubt it. Also being able to match best teams in the world =/= equivalent of top 3 in the premier tournament of your game. You get to say that when you, you know, place top 3 for real?
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On November 11 2012 20:32 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 19:43 ReKinn wrote:
Wow.... I actually had no idea how elitist the SC2 community was. Our Dota 2 team is placing against the best teams in the world (The equivalent to coming in top 3 of GSL code S) and our LoL team is already making a splash in the TSM weekly invitationals while only having worked together for a month or two. But, apparently the SC2 community, while being so into the expansion of esports, really doesn't give a shit about more than SC2. People are also disregarding the fact that PULSE is an insanely new team. While it's not that PULSE didn't have the finances to pay the players, as a growing company, they sometimes need to bend to the will of potential sponsors in order for the budget to grow. It's the way of business, people. It's not all about "oh em gee! Let's sign on players and have a team!" Please, try to understand this, everyone. Pulse is growing faster than ever, it just so happens to not be in SC2. That doesn't mean the team is dead. Anyone who closely follows Dota 2 mind verifying this? Somehow I highly doubt it. Also being able to match best teams in the world =/= equivalent of top 3 in the premier tournament of your game. You get to say that when you, you know, place top 3 for real?
They got top 4 at starladder, I guess. They got raped by navi and empire though.
They are okay. Not "Top 3 in code s." Not even close. That would be placing well in chinese tournaments or the international or something.
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wow... what a double standard the people in this thread have
if clans do not release reasons and do not communicate, they are cloak and dagger and not to be trusted.
if they actually do talk to people about this, they are highly unprofessional and a fail organization.
i for one am really glad they actually talk about why they have to let people go and actually show insight into real sponsor managment and that it is not always "our sponsors are 100% behind us and support us in all our decisions"
thanks to the pulse people for communicating, but leave out the personal insults next time please.
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This really sucks that the sponsors weren't there to help out to keep such a great team together! I really think teams leagues are extremely important to help promote your team/brand but I guess only concentrating on the individual leagues is important from a sponsorship point of view.
BEST OF LUCK Everize DesRow and JEcho!
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On November 11 2012 19:30 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 19:01 blade55555 wrote:On November 11 2012 14:39 RockIronrod wrote:On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? PULSE is a lot more relevant than you are right now. The most notable thing you've done in the last 2 years is high five Geoff. Just to kind of show how stupid your post was this is Idra's accomplishments in 2 years: GSL open 1-3 GSL code S ro16 GSL Code S ro8 Won an MLG Won ROG Stars invitational Won IEM Guanghzou Yeah what shitty results past 2 years (I didn't count EVERY single tournament he played that he did good in or online, just LAN tournaments) and yes those results are within the past 2 years. Also this team is a joke, to just kick all their players after barely starting? Well sucks for the players, but hopefully they can find decent teams now. It's called hyperbole. I chose 2 years because that's basically his SC2 career, it was my way of saying he's bad at professional SC2. If I wanted to be literal in his irrelevance, I would've said a year exactly, since the anniversary of the last time he did anything of note was last week.
You're still angry and bitter. His career thus far is far better than the majority of foreigners.
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On November 11 2012 18:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
This thread makes me wonder why I even put effort into positive marketing for my team.
Hi Virgil, ironically enough your post actually made me look up your team from your signature.
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poor desrow, if this keeps up, he will have to resort to having to do physical work! that toned body of his may lose its shape =(
either way, sounds like a good business decision to me, sort of like correcting a bad business decision.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 11 2012 12:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Interesting that the sponsor's condition clearly is caused by past dramas in the scene. Sponsors are now requiring that players be kept on a tight leash? Clearly the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns had an effect. And I would say its definitely for the worse.
THIS x1000
Nobody seems to really care about that part but i think it's by far the most important thing about this news (much more than a few players being kicked ) .
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I don't think it's fair to call PULSE a terrible team based on one incident. Sure it's a shitty incident but we have no idea of what is happening behind the scenes. People are overreacting about this and jumping straight to conclusions without waiting for more information.
I feel bad for the SC2 players but I hope the organisation can continue to grow, I definitely enjoy watching their Dota 2 team
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On November 11 2012 13:15 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:07 IdrA wrote:
im torn
shitty little ESPORTS team blatantly disregards contracts
bunch of obnoxious bad players get fucked
happy or sad???????? A - You never read our contract, and have no clue what was discussed when we negotiated with players. This post is just you assumptions about an organization about which you know nothing. B - We have other teams in other games that are better than you are in Starcraft II, so putting us down because you dislike our players only serves to make you look ignorant to the educated community that watches both League of Legends and Dota 2.
What did i just read? :O2k.
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The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane.
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On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane.
How old is this owner? 
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I feel bad for the players, especially desRow, he's been in and out of teams for almost a year. Hope everyone who were laid off can find a good home to stay.
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On November 12 2012 07:14 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. How old is this owner?
20's? I'm assuming.
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On November 11 2012 14:52 GGzerG wrote:
How exactly can you compare IdrA in SC2 to other "Teams" you have in other games? This would seem like to me to be an impossible comparison, considering they aren't even playing the same game, and IdrA is not a "Team" but a single player...but I am sure that IdrA's history in BW and SC2 would overshadow any team that you have...You lost any professionalism that you had by making this immature, simple minded, passive aggressive post. IMO You have no team / player that is better than IdrA, if you did then why isn't your team doing as well as IdrA or EG? Teams that are aiming to be "Pro" need to just suck it up and start from the bottom up, you cant just pop up out of thin air and be at the top, and hope things will magically come true, you cant acquire players with lies and false truths then hope sponsors will come so you can benefit from others hard work...This isn't surprising, but also blows my mind at the same time that teams are still operating this way...
Most people on their staff was from Team Legion, the other Team Legion, not the one that merged with FXOpen. The Team Legion that lead to the disbanded LoL team. Same with some of their players.
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Never trust anyone without a website T_T
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I find Pulse's reasoning perfectly reasonable.
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On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane.
Feels like this post from Everize deserves attention as his personal knowledge is infinitely better than our baseless speculation.
Seems this team is not built on solid fundamental financing...Anyone remember Lazarus Gaming and what happened when their wealthy early 20s owner stopped caring about having a team?
I have watched the LoL pulse team, they are pretty good but not yet top 5 in NA. They have been doing well in the online Solomid tourneys, almost winning a few weeks ago I think?
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On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane.
Quoting it again because it's the only knowledge we have on this lol.
I hope everything goes well still with Pulse sc2 A-team, I wonder what happened to their Blue team/
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does this mean they forfeit in all the team leagues they are participating in?
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On November 12 2012 09:16 GhoSt[shield] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. Feels like this post from Everize deserves attention as his personal knowledge is infinitely better than our baseless speculation. Seems this team is not built on solid fundamental financing...Anyone remember Lazarus Gaming and what happened when their wealthy early 20s owner stopped caring about having a team? I have watched the LoL pulse team, they are pretty good but not yet top 5 in NA. They have been doing well in the online Solomid tourneys, almost winning a few weeks ago I think?
Our players aren't privy to any financial information with the exception of Rekinn who is doubling as staff. It is true that the two players we retained were our least paid, but they were also the players the sponsors were least concerned about. On that point I will explain a bit further so people can get a firmer understanding of how this works.
We have a strong LoL and Dota team, which is a huge draw for our sponsors. Our Sc2 players had a much smaller following in total, whilst also having much more freedom contractually speaking. Because of this, the sponsor decided it was a hard sell and reduced their offer significantly. Because of this, we decided that it was best to focus on our other ventures first, and then expand back into Starcraft II once we had a more stable relationship. In general it comes down to a risk reward analysis when dealing with sponsors and our Starcraft team was considered too large a risk for them to want to commit.
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On November 11 2012 20:26 pStar wrote:
Idra seriously just needs to fuck off.
How can he have the nerd to call a team bad when he is terrible.
You seem bitter.
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Poor desRow Of course the others as well, but I feel desRow is being let down over and over again.
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For those that are unaware, Proziam is the primary Pulse Esports owner. So, you might want to focus a bit more on his posts than Everize's.
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On November 12 2012 10:43 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 09:16 GhoSt[shield] wrote:On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. Feels like this post from Everize deserves attention as his personal knowledge is infinitely better than our baseless speculation. Seems this team is not built on solid fundamental financing...Anyone remember Lazarus Gaming and what happened when their wealthy early 20s owner stopped caring about having a team? I have watched the LoL pulse team, they are pretty good but not yet top 5 in NA. They have been doing well in the online Solomid tourneys, almost winning a few weeks ago I think? Our players aren't privy to any financial information with the exception of Rekinn who is doubling as staff. It is true that the two players we retained were our least paid, but they were also the players the sponsors were least concerned about. On that point I will explain a bit further so people can get a firmer understanding of how this works. We have a strong LoL and Dota team, which is a huge draw for our sponsors. Our Sc2 players had a much smaller following in total, whilst also having much more freedom contractually speaking. Because of this, the sponsor decided it was a hard sell and reduced their offer significantly. Because of this, we decided that it was best to focus on our other ventures first, and then expand back into Starcraft II once we had a more stable relationship. In general it comes down to a risk reward analysis when dealing with sponsors and our Starcraft team was considered too large a risk for them to want to commit.
You're really tiptoeing around what people actually want you to say, which is: You messed up and should be sorry to the players.
Unless you can answer this, which you've just been circling around
Well then be honest: What sorts of poor decision making went into this clearly failed project?
Then really to everyone else all it looks like is you got a bunch of good players, got into contact with sponsors because you had them, then dropped the ones that were too expensive because it was inconvenient to you. This has nothing to do with LoL. It was what you did before, while, and how you went about removing the majority of your SC2 roster. Moreover, Everize saying your only funding is coming from your parents does not help your case. You have not said anything factual to prove otherwise as you just said he was wrong, and doesn't know, but that just leaves us with a case of he said she said. So you just want us to take your word while you inconvenience people in a physical manner? Sounds like mark-to-market accounting lmao.
I mean truthfully, I do want to understand that you're a new team struggling to come into the SC2 scene and other areas are much more lucrative - as you see success with your LoL team - however, you more than likely should have thought this out a bit further; unless of course, dropping 80% of your team was part of your plan within a month? People who run teams like this really should be happy that the players don't just turn around and completely deface the team, as it's practically the only insurance they have at that point. Most people who have been getting screwed like this in the SC2 scene just suck it up, but it's probably starting to get a little old for players like Desrow who jump on with more and more teams who pop up then fade out.
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On November 12 2012 10:43 Proziam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 09:16 GhoSt[shield] wrote:On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. Feels like this post from Everize deserves attention as his personal knowledge is infinitely better than our baseless speculation. Seems this team is not built on solid fundamental financing...Anyone remember Lazarus Gaming and what happened when their wealthy early 20s owner stopped caring about having a team? I have watched the LoL pulse team, they are pretty good but not yet top 5 in NA. They have been doing well in the online Solomid tourneys, almost winning a few weeks ago I think? Our players aren't privy to any financial information with the exception of Rekinn who is doubling as staff. It is true that the two players we retained were our least paid, but they were also the players the sponsors were least concerned about. On that point I will explain a bit further so people can get a firmer understanding of how this works. We have a strong LoL and Dota team, which is a huge draw for our sponsors. Our Sc2 players had a much smaller following in total, whilst also having much more freedom contractually speaking. Because of this, the sponsor decided it was a hard sell and reduced their offer significantly. Because of this, we decided that it was best to focus on our other ventures first, and then expand back into Starcraft II once we had a more stable relationship. In general it comes down to a risk reward analysis when dealing with sponsors and our Starcraft team was considered too large a risk for them to want to commit.
All this talk about sponsors yet you haven't listed any sponsors anywhere. So then we are to assume either there are none (private sponsor as Everize eluded), or talks are not finalized? In which case, why the f* would you recruit SC2 players and promise them things (contract them) that you couldn't offer them. That's why you guys are a joke organization. Sorry no sympathy from me.
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On November 12 2012 11:08 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 10:43 Proziam wrote:On November 12 2012 09:16 GhoSt[shield] wrote:On November 12 2012 06:49 Everize wrote:
The team released the players because of lack of funds, they let Kitty and Kane stay because they were two of the cheapest as well as least-paid players. There is no other reason for it, team picked up every game team possible as far as I know. Including Call of Duty, Dota 2, League of Legends and planning on picking up even a Halo team, team lacks any sponsors what so ever and is supported by Owner's wealthy parents.Team does not even have a website yet.
Starcraft 2 manager of the team was also released and replaced by somebody else. None of the players on Pulse except Desrow were fulltime sc2 player, people have to realize that, all of us go to college as full time students at Universities, Kane beats top players on ladder, desrow streams a lot, I got to finals of IEM Qualifier beating many top players that are full time pro gamers in this game. Ladder warriors much?
Once again, Team did not cut roster for the lack of performance yet funds. Hope it explains a lot.
-> This is my personal opinion based on what I know/been told <- Best of luck to Pulse, Kitty and Kane. Feels like this post from Everize deserves attention as his personal knowledge is infinitely better than our baseless speculation. Seems this team is not built on solid fundamental financing...Anyone remember Lazarus Gaming and what happened when their wealthy early 20s owner stopped caring about having a team? I have watched the LoL pulse team, they are pretty good but not yet top 5 in NA. They have been doing well in the online Solomid tourneys, almost winning a few weeks ago I think? Our players aren't privy to any financial information with the exception of Rekinn who is doubling as staff. It is true that the two players we retained were our least paid, but they were also the players the sponsors were least concerned about. On that point I will explain a bit further so people can get a firmer understanding of how this works. We have a strong LoL and Dota team, which is a huge draw for our sponsors. Our Sc2 players had a much smaller following in total, whilst also having much more freedom contractually speaking. Because of this, the sponsor decided it was a hard sell and reduced their offer significantly. Because of this, we decided that it was best to focus on our other ventures first, and then expand back into Starcraft II once we had a more stable relationship. In general it comes down to a risk reward analysis when dealing with sponsors and our Starcraft team was considered too large a risk for them to want to commit. All this talk about sponsors yet you haven't listed any sponsors anywhere. So then we are to assume either there are none (private sponsor as Everize eluded), or talks are not finalized? In which case, why the f* would you recruit SC2 players and promise them things (contract them) that you couldn't offer them. That's why you guys are a joke organization. Sorry no sympathy from me.
Who would name a sponsor publicly given the situation? That'd be a terrible move. Also, what would be satisfactory as proof about where the money comes from? Truth is, only three people know who we have been working with, and what the offers are and we're not going to share that information publicly because we can't. We're trying to be honest about the situation, but the fact is there is only so much we can say. It's not hard to go over to reddit and look into the past drama that has surrounded some of the players we let go, and I don't think it's too hard to understand the sponsor's reasoning. That said, Pulse was happy to work with everyone on the team but our situation changed substantially and we couldn't. Even still, we paid all our players in full and covered all the expenses we said we would. If anyone needs proof to that effect it can be provided.
Anyway, I've given all the information on the topic I can really. It's up to the community if they wish to take me at my word or not. I just felt it was best to offer my input since there was so much speculation floating about.
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On November 12 2012 11:35 Proziam wrote:
Even still, we paid all our players in full and covered all the expenses we said we would..
My only problem with this is we went 1/3 of the way through November and werent compensated for that. Which i can see is as understandable if you had given us a heads up so we can proceed elsewhere. The whole, check your email please, followed by a vague email was pretty lame.
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On November 12 2012 12:38 iS.jEcho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 11:35 Proziam wrote:
Even still, we paid all our players in full and covered all the expenses we said we would.. My only problem with this is we went 1/3 of the way through November and werent compensated for that. Which i can see is as understandable if you had given us a heads up so we can proceed elsewhere. The whole, check your email please, followed by a vague email was pretty lame.
I totally agree with that. And it mentioned nothing about who's being cut, from the team. It's like "Yeah go figure it out yourself".
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This is becoming a common occurrence in the scene and it seems a lot of organizations/teams are investing money carelessly. Let this be a lesson to all of you who want to startup and invest in a team/eSports organization. If you want to be successful develop a business plan and seek advice from others who have been successful in their ventures. Dumping money into a team without a plan leads to situations like this. In the end its a failure of management and ownership for not properly looking at the long term suitability of their organization.
Best of luck to all the players. I hope you guys all find a new loving home that will take care of you!
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What could the sponsors be possibly worried about? I suppose I might not be following all the drama too much, but the players that were let don't seem like big drama magnets to me.
Also, was it about the contracts allowing the players too much freedom (whatever that means, exactly), or was it about the sponsors not liking the players that were contracted? I fully understand if this is not being answered, but it's worth a try.
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Really sad that sponsors are now requiring teams to keep players on a tight leash in order to avoid the community's drama backlash. This is the first concrete proof we have that the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns have a negative effect on smaller up and coming teams trying to secure sponsorship. That the sponsors told Pulse the players have too much freedom can only mean the sponsors are requiring teams to contractually obligate players to not post on community sites. Unless there's some other freedom that players have that the sponsors want to limit, I can't think of anything else that's plausible. Just more confirmation that the community would be better off without the drama queens who have weak moral character and contact sponsors. For those people to call themselves fans of SC2 and esports is a joke.
And how ironic that drama queens would come in here and criticize Pulse when in fact Pulse's hands were tied by the same type of drama queens from the community. This is a classic example of people with insufficient information trying to be powerful and sneer at an organization in the scene. You criticize them for contracting players before finalizing sponsorships...have you considered the possibility that it would be tough to find sponsors without any players? Do you know whether sponsors require teams to have executed contracts in place with players before they will send money? No, because you're an outsider, and don't understand the up front commitment that may be required from team managers before they can become established in the scene. For you to call Pulse a joke of an organization in this context makes you the quintessential drama queen of the sc2 community. Guess it makes you feel powerful and better about yourself when you sneer at others.
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It isn't really that we contact sponsors, or that there are campaigns to contact them. The problem is that The Community only ever actually contacts the sponsors to bitch or complain. We might have a good number of people that take support of eSports into consideration when buying a new product (I do), but very very few ever send a positive message to sponsors. The only times I've contacted sponsors (see signature) have been positive notes - either "I just bought your product, in part because you support x y or z, and I'm glad I did as it is also a quality product" or "I can't take advantage of your product or service, but I want you to know that I would if I could because of your support for X. Ever think of expanding your range to this geographical area?"
(Actually, I also complimented LA Bite for their participation and clever commercial with NASL - a lot better than just a logo on a shirt or quick shoutout from commentators. Of course, I also think the Kingston HyperX commercials EG does are pretty darn sweet too.)
So, drama bad, but contacting sponsors POSITIVELY should be a good thing and encouraged. Especially if you can concretely show that there is a ROI for the sponsor - ie, "I went with a HyperX SSD because, in addition to being a good product, you sponsor multiple eSports teams and events. That was the tipping point from consideration to purchase."
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On November 12 2012 23:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Really sad that sponsors are now requiring teams to keep players on a tight leash in order to avoid the community's drama backlash. This is the first concrete proof we have that the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns have a negative effect on smaller up and coming teams trying to secure sponsorship. That the sponsors told Pulse the players have too much freedom can only mean the sponsors are requiring teams to contractually obligate players to not post on community sites. Unless there's some other freedom that players have that the sponsors want to limit, I can't think of anything else that's plausible. Just more confirmation that the community would be better off without the drama queens who have weak moral character and contact sponsors. For those people to call themselves fans of SC2 and esports is a joke.
And how ironic that drama queens would come in here and criticize Pulse when in fact Pulse's hands were tied by the same type of drama queens from the community. This is a classic example of people with insufficient information trying to be powerful and sneer at an organization in the scene. You criticize them for contracting players before finalizing sponsorships...have you considered the possibility that it would be tough to find sponsors without any players? Do you know whether sponsors require teams to have executed contracts in place with players before they will send money? No, because you're an outsider, and don't understand the up front commitment that may be required from team managers before they can become established in the scene. For you to call Pulse a joke of an organization in this context makes you the quintessential drama queen of the sc2 community. Guess it makes you feel powerful and better about yourself when you sneer at others.
No, the problem is that Pulse hasn't handled the issue well at all. I understand having sponsorship issues, but at the same time, by accounts of the players, they've handled this very poorly.
And refusing to name sponsors makes me really doubtful. Wanna know why sponsorships exist? So that the company can gain exposure to new markets. Refusing to name sponsors (and not just talking about during this fiasco, I mean before the players were released as well) just makes me really, really, skeptical.
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lol havent even heard of this team, and all the players are like low level anyway so it doesnt really matter
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On November 13 2012 01:05 AgentChaos wrote:
lol havent even heard of this team, and all the players are like low level anyway so it doesnt really matter
uh... they aren't low level. Some of these players are crazy good. Regardless of whether or not you've heard of them.
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On November 12 2012 23:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Really sad that sponsors are now requiring teams to keep players on a tight leash in order to avoid the community's drama backlash. This is the first concrete proof we have that the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns have a negative effect on smaller up and coming teams trying to secure sponsorship. That the sponsors told Pulse the players have too much freedom can only mean the sponsors are requiring teams to contractually obligate players to not post on community sites. Unless there's some other freedom that players have that the sponsors want to limit, I can't think of anything else that's plausible. Just more confirmation that the community would be better off without the drama queens who have weak moral character and contact sponsors. For those people to call themselves fans of SC2 and esports is a joke.
And how ironic that drama queens would come in here and criticize Pulse when in fact Pulse's hands were tied by the same type of drama queens from the community. This is a classic example of people with insufficient information trying to be powerful and sneer at an organization in the scene. You criticize them for contracting players before finalizing sponsorships...have you considered the possibility that it would be tough to find sponsors without any players? Do you know whether sponsors require teams to have executed contracts in place with players before they will send money? No, because you're an outsider, and don't understand the up front commitment that may be required from team managers before they can become established in the scene. For you to call Pulse a joke of an organization in this context makes you the quintessential drama queen of the sc2 community. Guess it makes you feel powerful and better about yourself when you sneer at others.
Dude you try to sound intelligent but you are ignorant. Most teams spend months developing players and starting from the bottom up before attaining sponsors. It should take time to attain sponsors which is why most new teams dont instantly become big. They tried to take a short cut and buy a team without having sponsors secured. That is why they are a joke and frankly so is your post. Pay your dues don't make the players suffer.
Edit: let me do what doodsmack and pulse did. Lets recruit all the ex slayers + ogs free agents and contract them with promises of money. Then we can look for sponsors and if it doesnt work we can just cut them and blame potential sponsors and contractual freedoms we implemented inorder to sign them. Ur a genius doodsmack now everyone can start a pro org.
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On November 13 2012 01:18 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 23:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Really sad that sponsors are now requiring teams to keep players on a tight leash in order to avoid the community's drama backlash. This is the first concrete proof we have that the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns have a negative effect on smaller up and coming teams trying to secure sponsorship. That the sponsors told Pulse the players have too much freedom can only mean the sponsors are requiring teams to contractually obligate players to not post on community sites. Unless there's some other freedom that players have that the sponsors want to limit, I can't think of anything else that's plausible. Just more confirmation that the community would be better off without the drama queens who have weak moral character and contact sponsors. For those people to call themselves fans of SC2 and esports is a joke.
And how ironic that drama queens would come in here and criticize Pulse when in fact Pulse's hands were tied by the same type of drama queens from the community. This is a classic example of people with insufficient information trying to be powerful and sneer at an organization in the scene. You criticize them for contracting players before finalizing sponsorships...have you considered the possibility that it would be tough to find sponsors without any players? Do you know whether sponsors require teams to have executed contracts in place with players before they will send money? No, because you're an outsider, and don't understand the up front commitment that may be required from team managers before they can become established in the scene. For you to call Pulse a joke of an organization in this context makes you the quintessential drama queen of the sc2 community. Guess it makes you feel powerful and better about yourself when you sneer at others. Dude you try to sound intelligent but you are ignorant. Most teams spend months developing players and starting from the bottom up before attaining sponsors. It should take time to attain sponsors which is why most new teams dont instantly become big. They tried to take a short cut and buy a team without having sponsors secured. That is why they are a joke and frankly so is your post. Pay your dues don't make the players suffer.
I could not agree more with this.
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On November 13 2012 01:18 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 23:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Really sad that sponsors are now requiring teams to keep players on a tight leash in order to avoid the community's drama backlash. This is the first concrete proof we have that the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns have a negative effect on smaller up and coming teams trying to secure sponsorship. That the sponsors told Pulse the players have too much freedom can only mean the sponsors are requiring teams to contractually obligate players to not post on community sites. Unless there's some other freedom that players have that the sponsors want to limit, I can't think of anything else that's plausible. Just more confirmation that the community would be better off without the drama queens who have weak moral character and contact sponsors. For those people to call themselves fans of SC2 and esports is a joke.
And how ironic that drama queens would come in here and criticize Pulse when in fact Pulse's hands were tied by the same type of drama queens from the community. This is a classic example of people with insufficient information trying to be powerful and sneer at an organization in the scene. You criticize them for contracting players before finalizing sponsorships...have you considered the possibility that it would be tough to find sponsors without any players? Do you know whether sponsors require teams to have executed contracts in place with players before they will send money? No, because you're an outsider, and don't understand the up front commitment that may be required from team managers before they can become established in the scene. For you to call Pulse a joke of an organization in this context makes you the quintessential drama queen of the sc2 community. Guess it makes you feel powerful and better about yourself when you sneer at others. Dude you try to sound intelligent but you are ignorant. Most teams spend months developing players and starting from the bottom up before attaining sponsors. It should take time to attain sponsors which is why most new teams dont instantly become big. They tried to take a short cut and buy a team without having sponsors secured. That is why they are a joke and frankly so is your post. Pay your dues don't make the players suffer. Edit: let me do what doodsmack and pulse did. Lets recruit all the ex slayers + ogs free agents and contract them with promises of money. Then we can look for sponsors and if it doesnt work we can just cut them and blame potential sponsors and contractual freedoms we implemented inorder to sign them. Ur a genius doodsmack now everyone can start a pro org.
Keep in mind the sponsors are primarily attracted to this team's MOBA divisions. It could be that the sponsorship was all but a done deal but then when the sc2 players came on, the highly unexpected issue of drama prevention popped up. Its a very forgivable mistake, and completely unnecessary to call them a joke and try to banish them. This is a new a growing industry, we can let ppl make minor mistakes without causing a fuss about it. In regards to buying talent, you can't get big sponsors by saying "we've built this GM player up and he now gets 10 stream viewers and once got 10th place in a playhem, plz pay us."
In the end, the players got paid for their time except for 10 days in nov apparently. This is not a big deal. Funny how you're the one who made the thread and are now trying to carry the banner of esports justice and bring Pulse before the jury. Unfortunately for you your drama only garnered 7 pages.
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On November 13 2012 01:02 Zennith wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 23:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Really sad that sponsors are now requiring teams to keep players on a tight leash in order to avoid the community's drama backlash. This is the first concrete proof we have that the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns have a negative effect on smaller up and coming teams trying to secure sponsorship. That the sponsors told Pulse the players have too much freedom can only mean the sponsors are requiring teams to contractually obligate players to not post on community sites. Unless there's some other freedom that players have that the sponsors want to limit, I can't think of anything else that's plausible. Just more confirmation that the community would be better off without the drama queens who have weak moral character and contact sponsors. For those people to call themselves fans of SC2 and esports is a joke.
And how ironic that drama queens would come in here and criticize Pulse when in fact Pulse's hands were tied by the same type of drama queens from the community. This is a classic example of people with insufficient information trying to be powerful and sneer at an organization in the scene. You criticize them for contracting players before finalizing sponsorships...have you considered the possibility that it would be tough to find sponsors without any players? Do you know whether sponsors require teams to have executed contracts in place with players before they will send money? No, because you're an outsider, and don't understand the up front commitment that may be required from team managers before they can become established in the scene. For you to call Pulse a joke of an organization in this context makes you the quintessential drama queen of the sc2 community. Guess it makes you feel powerful and better about yourself when you sneer at others. + Show Spoiler +No, the problem is that Pulse hasn't handled the issue well at all. I understand having sponsorship issues, but at the same time, by accounts of the players, they've handled this very poorly. And refusing to name sponsors makes me really doubtful. Wanna know why sponsorships exist? So that the company can gain exposure to new markets. Refusing to name sponsors (and not just talking about during this fiasco, I mean before the players were released as well) just makes me really, really, skeptical.
Since I stopped following NASL after S1, who is the big sponsor behind Season 1-3 of NASL?
The one where in the original thread it only says:
"Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players!"
Problem is in esports everything is a "sponsor". In other sports you differentiate between a "sponsor" and an "investor". Though both just give a team money and want different ROI (fame vs money)
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Both sides are at fault here.
a) Pulse seems like a bad team with pretty shady management.
b) These players were so quick to hop on to a promise of getting some money, it reveals a lot about their character. I don't feel any sympathy for a player ditching his old team for some new team because they'll pay 100 bucks per month more, then complaining about that new team not working out.
Everyone is pointing the finger at Pulse, but I really wouldn't feel bad for any of these players. This is kinda what you get for making hasty, uninformed decisions, ~_~;;
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On November 13 2012 02:46 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 01:02 Zennith wrote:On November 12 2012 23:52 Doodsmack wrote:
Really sad that sponsors are now requiring teams to keep players on a tight leash in order to avoid the community's drama backlash. This is the first concrete proof we have that the community's sponsor-contacting campaigns have a negative effect on smaller up and coming teams trying to secure sponsorship. That the sponsors told Pulse the players have too much freedom can only mean the sponsors are requiring teams to contractually obligate players to not post on community sites. Unless there's some other freedom that players have that the sponsors want to limit, I can't think of anything else that's plausible. Just more confirmation that the community would be better off without the drama queens who have weak moral character and contact sponsors. For those people to call themselves fans of SC2 and esports is a joke.
And how ironic that drama queens would come in here and criticize Pulse when in fact Pulse's hands were tied by the same type of drama queens from the community. This is a classic example of people with insufficient information trying to be powerful and sneer at an organization in the scene. You criticize them for contracting players before finalizing sponsorships...have you considered the possibility that it would be tough to find sponsors without any players? Do you know whether sponsors require teams to have executed contracts in place with players before they will send money? No, because you're an outsider, and don't understand the up front commitment that may be required from team managers before they can become established in the scene. For you to call Pulse a joke of an organization in this context makes you the quintessential drama queen of the sc2 community. Guess it makes you feel powerful and better about yourself when you sneer at others. + Show Spoiler +No, the problem is that Pulse hasn't handled the issue well at all. I understand having sponsorship issues, but at the same time, by accounts of the players, they've handled this very poorly. And refusing to name sponsors makes me really doubtful. Wanna know why sponsorships exist? So that the company can gain exposure to new markets. Refusing to name sponsors (and not just talking about during this fiasco, I mean before the players were released as well) just makes me really, really, skeptical. Since I stopped following NASL after S1, who is the big sponsor behind Season 1-3 of NASL? The one where in the original thread it only says: "Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players!" Problem is in esports everything is a "sponsor". In other sports you differentiate between a "sponsor" and an "investor". Though both just give a team money and want different ROI (fame vs money)
Well the difference there is that NASL had the money it needed and the business plan when it started. This team (the sc2 division anyway) did not. That is not to say that people wasn't skeptical of NASL. "will they pay out", "can we trust them", "no sponsors.. eh?". Just look at old Weapon of Choice episodes and you see that Chill and Wheat was skeptical. Hopeful, but skeptical.
The point is. This team failed, NASL did not.
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On November 12 2012 12:38 iS.jEcho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 11:35 Proziam wrote:
Even still, we paid all our players in full and covered all the expenses we said we would.. My only problem with this is we went 1/3 of the way through November and werent compensated for that. Which i can see is as understandable if you had given us a heads up so we can proceed elsewhere. The whole, check your email please, followed by a vague email was pretty lame.
Before Pulse was launched, I had a discussion with one of the owners. Guess I was right afterall, he should have taken my advice.
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So what I will take from this, the following.
Some sponsors WILL do background checks on players and what the game community has to say about them.
And they will act on it and refuse to have individuals on the teams they give their money for.
So the more stupid drama posts about a player do pop up on reddit or elsewhere, the worse chance they will have to get a future in Starcraft II. Community self inflicted stupidness.
It is not anymore trickle down sponsorship or wildly throwing out money at teams, but the question has to be answered:
"is this person able & person's reputation good enough to represent and promote my product / brand"
What this signalizes to the Stacraft II community is that there is no more a developing market, but rather a movement toward concentration on the teams, players, casters and one day also tournament who are worth investing in.
Some popular players have called this as the death of Starcraft a couple weeks ago. It is not that but yeah there is signs that Starcraft is no more a blooming pr growing market. All parties in this hobby should see this and be encouraged to now stabilize their brands, contracts and sponsorship for longevity rather than short term gains.
It is unfortunate that the players are those who get the shortest ends in these business deals.. but thats the issues of a single player game really.
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Aw man Everize just got his jersey from these guys too. He was finally a noteable player.
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On November 13 2012 05:10 LuckyFool wrote:
Aw man Everize just got his jersey from these guys too. He was finally a noteable player.
Think I liked the pre-edit version better.
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Well only staff members can see that now...it was good but right after I posted it I was like ahhh better not.
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On November 13 2012 02:55 Xeris wrote:
I don't feel any sympathy for a player ditching his old team for some new team because they'll pay 100 bucks per month more, then complaining about that new team not working out.
who ditched their team? when your contract is over, its over.
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If Xeris is referring to me, team was dead so I left. I was never contracted either.. get your shit straight.
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Everize where will you go now, I don't think any teams are in need of a gimmicky NA T right now... :D
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Xeris must be confused because Everize has been on dead teams for awhile now (Team Dynamic to KEYD who dies every mid-season to Pulse)
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On November 13 2012 05:43 Torte de Lini wrote:
Xeris must be confused because Everize has been on dead teams for awhile now (Team Dynamic to KEYD who dies every mid-season to Pulse)
Poor me, haha
On November 13 2012 05:39 LuckyFool wrote:
Everize where will you go now, I don't think any teams are in need of a gimmicky NA T right now... :D
Who knows... Yeah, so gimmicky
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This whole thing feels like deja-vu :/
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On November 13 2012 05:39 LuckyFool wrote:
Everize where will you go now, I don't think any teams are in need of a gimmicky NA T right now... :D
There we go!
Everize does cheese a lot, but with all that practice he's become very good at it. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. JEcho is awesome and deserves a better team, though.
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Torte de Lini makes a good point- whatever team Everize joins it dies....hmm. 
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Well that's unfortunate.
I dont understand the timing of adding a console team and then out of the blue getting some sponsortrouble but oh well. Hope the people that got their contracts terminated will find a better, more stable, team in the future. =/
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On November 13 2012 07:56 LuckyFool wrote:Torte de Lini makes a good point- whatever team Everize joins it dies....hmm.
No, not really.
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So you can't tell us who the sponsors are, are you aware of how sponsorships work? How exactly are you promoting them if you won't even tell us who they are, that makes no fucking sense.I'm wondering what they get out of this deal.
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On November 13 2012 05:39 LuckyFool wrote:
Everize where will you go now, I don't think any teams are in need of a gimmicky NA T right now... :D
Pretty sure the "gimmicky" "NA T" is redundant.
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