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On October 23 2012 18:55 GoldforGolden wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:06 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 17:52 Lysanias wrote:On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote:On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes...
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers... So only players are to blame ? For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned. Yes no blame at all to Jessica. no blame to jessica at all. i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids. Fair enough, i'll respect your pink glass judgement. And i will 100% agree to disagree. It seems to be a conflict of culture. In the East it looks as if one should value their elders and have some sort of unwavering respect and trust. Where as in the West we have more of an emphasis on our own personal rights and entitlements. Thus we can empathise with MMA and Crank who were looking out for themselves and seem to be caught up in a petty war of whose to blame. In eastern culture, we don't appreciate that sort of behavior very well. If Crank for example, felt the management was bad and nothing was done, he could have just said he didn't find the atmosphere is suited for him and he wanted to leave for a team that is more likeable. But rather, he just complained, even if the managers have done SOME actions according to his words, he kept on complaining as if the managers have not done anything. These kind of things decrease the morale of the whole team, especially if he raises the concern to other players, it just makes the whole team think more negatively towards the managers. Then he also lied about why he leave the team. I remember quite well that the first day he stream after he left slayers, he said he is looking for a foreign team. Now I don't have the evidence to back me up, but there were people suggesting "liquid'crank" The second one in particular is the worst of all. It shows a player completely disrespecting the manager team and would lie to get out from a team. Lying to elders is bad, lying to be out of the team is bad, especially when he clearly stated he isn't looking for another team or foreign team, this is even worse and he was caught by jessica. It's a total disrespect to the manager (who said crank was released due to neck injury) and as an elder
Thank you for your perspective on the matter. From my interpretation of the events Crank took an active interest in the management of the team as it was in such a poor state. He was unable to do anything to improve the situation and begged for help from management. They were also unable to resolve the situation so he asked to leave. There seems to have been a misunderstanding as he told Cella his intentions to quit over this issue but this was never communicated to Jessica. She assumed he quit for monetary gains and is unwilling to listen to his reasoning.
Funny how different cultures can take such an opposite view of the same facts.
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On October 23 2012 19:02 NovemberstOrm wrote:Just reading the phone conversation with Boxer shows that Jessica caused a lot of problems even Boxer says "you know shes like this. This is a fight to the death. Do you not know her style?" side note Boxer seems so reasonable in the conversation. The bane of Slayers truly was Jessica. http://esfiworld.com/news/translated-crank-boxer-and-jessicas-phone-call
misquotation aside...Hell hath no fury...
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On October 23 2012 19:02 NovemberstOrm wrote:Just reading the phone conversation with Boxer shows that Jessica caused a lot of problems even Boxer says "you know shes like this. This is a fight to the death. Do you not know her style?" side note Boxer seems so reasonable in the conversation. The bane of Slayers truly was Jessica. http://esfiworld.com/news/translated-crank-boxer-and-jessicas-phone-call
I am more and more happy that Boxer is out of most drama here, he's calm mature and reasonable.
His wife has alot to learn from him though i doubt she will.
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Seems like Cella and BoxeR was the most mature ones in the SlayerS house, but who would be suprised about that. 
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On October 23 2012 18:39 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I completely believe the part about ripping up the contracts. Korean women have a tendency towards the melodramatic. If you're Korean you know what I'm talking about.. such a Korean thing to do.
That's a misogynistic stereotype about women in a lot of places.
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On October 23 2012 19:14 Lysanias wrote:I am more and more happy that Boxer is out of most drama here, he's calm mature and reasonable. His wife has alot to learn from him though i doubt she will.
If I know Koreans at all.. The public image portrayed is usually one that has been meticulously constructed, and the culture only reinforces the practice.
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On October 23 2012 18:39 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I completely believe the part about ripping up the contracts. Korean women have a tendency towards the melodramatic. If you're Korean you know what I'm talking about.. such a Korean thing to do.
Yea because nowhere else in the whole world people are melodramatic, oh please....
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thug MMA and his group of thugs?
that phone call looks worse for MMA than it does for crank
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Where can I find a short summary of this drama?
I have no knowledge whatsoever.
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WoW MMA..is that realy you?
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I feel a time line of events would really help in understanding this situation.
Side question how is a site like ESFI getting these articles first?
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On October 23 2012 19:23 betamale wrote:
thug MMA and his group of thugs?
yeah I was a bit startled by that frasing. I wonder if its just a translation thing or if Boxer litteraly refered to MMA like that.
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When I look at jessica's statements, it seems unclear and feels untrue.
MMA's story feels biased, but clear and believeable.
My take on this is that Jessica did not do her job well, blamed it on the players, and the team died because of it.
But I feel as well that this reflect a problem with the way that e-sport is considered as a profession, since the lack of awareness of the nature of the contracts that get signed and the lack of transparency regarding the content of those, seems to maintain an idealised version of teams as if they were a paradise for progamers, whereas it seems that they rather are more like smalls companies with all that implies (political decisions, layouts, etc). But maybe i'm mistaken.
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On October 23 2012 18:36 jworld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:20 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 pdd wrote:
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team? Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out. More professionals.... The team was well funded and was managed just fine until a bunch of people started to think too highly of themselves and too lowly of others. A bunch of people acting improfessional hurt the team and showed no respect to those they should respect. Seems most of the faults the management had were pointed out after everyone who is really at fault started to affect the team negatively. "All of a sudden, now that I think Jessica is shit even though she didn't do anything wrong (yet), I'm going to start saying that I don't appreciate the current team situation". Yes, Jessica did some shit wrong, but talking about business, she didn't do much wrong at all. As for management, she should have tried harder after the players destroyed the team, she could have saved it but her pride was too angry. Someone slap me in the face if I'm so wrong. In terms of business she failed completely. Slayers was in the strongest position out of any esports team. They had access to the Korean market as well as the foreign market. The team was immensely popular with foreigners after their visit to the US where MMA was winning tournaments and Boxer was making an impact. MMA was a GSL champion and the team won two GSTL titles. It is totally up to her to use all of these feats that no other team could boast to leverage a deal with either local or foreign sponsors. She has already admitted to her failures and her fault in the the team collapsing when hiring J to act on her behalf to secure sponsorships. It was her responsibility being at the top of management to secure the teams long term survival.
Even if every GSL champion was on a single team, if all of those players decide to kill your team from the inside out, there is nothing any manager can do to stop it.
You can't play that card. MMA was awesome, sure, but he also was a huge part of destroying the team. Jessica helped out J and J fucked her over. The same happens to many businesses, but the only businesses that end up falling in the end are the ones who's employees are poorly influenced to the person they are not supposed to listen to and decide to help destroy the team using the lies as their foundation.
SlayerS was in such a good position because BoxeR helped shape the team to their awesomeness and provided them with their funding, and Jessica assisted in all of that as well.
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I just read the phone log. Damn Crank acts like a 12 year old.
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"Slayers Dynesty"
starring:
David Carradin as Boxer
Samuel L. Jackson as Jessica
Edward Norton as MMA
Jason Stathem as Crank
William dafoe as Manager J
coming soon on Twitch.tv
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On October 23 2012 19:23 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:39 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I completely believe the part about ripping up the contracts. Korean women have a tendency towards the melodramatic. If you're Korean you know what I'm talking about.. such a Korean thing to do. Yea because nowhere else in the whole world people are melodramatic, oh please....
You won't understand the very specific mental image that comes to mind when I make that statement. I'm thinking the act was very similar in tone to the phrase "you want to die? okay, let's die together", which is also something commonly seen in a tirade by an angry korean woman.. Just sharing a flash of recognition.
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With all of this, I really don't know what the foreign scene can do to one up the Koreans. They are better at us with everything, from actually playing the game to not playing it at all.
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Choi: I am just sad about the way Jessica thinks. I don't even think I can join a good foreign team. She thinks I made the group leave the team.
Boxer: You know her style. If you fight back she is going to have a fight to the death. You don't seem to stay quiet.
Yep, she is just like that. Such an annoying person.
I really think it was her who was the cancer in the team.
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