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So wait, wait...
Jessica didn't say that she told Boxer to go to SKT1? I thought that was in the very first set of statements.
And I am extremely wary of any "clarifications" that come later. From anyone.
I don't know anymore. I just don't.
... and I don't care. At least as much as I did to start with. It's one team, one group of players; it's not the end of the world no matter how big a name Boxer has. (Which, note, he is not bringing into the fight by staying out of it. Why, I don't know. Maybe just because he doesn't want to get involved in the public drama fest. Or else nothing he can say would be beneficial to him or to anyone else.)
But this too shall pass, and in the end it's a whole load of sound and fury which isn't signifying much of anything else right now. I feel sorry for everyone that is stuck in this flurry of accusations, counter accusations, justifications, clarifications, and whatever other '-ations' might be going on. The GSL goes on. The GSTL goes on. OSL goes on. So too NASL, IPL, MLG, DH, etc. Best wishes for everyone in the future.
I might check up for a summation of "what the eff happened here" in six months or so. If there aren't still press releases and hugely public arguments going on.
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Poor cella, he just worked hard through all this and should have been kept as the manager of foreign affairs this whole time!
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On October 23 2012 17:52 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote:On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes...
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers... So only players are to blame ? For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned. Yes no blame at all to Jessica. no blame to jessica at all. i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids. Fair enough, i'll respect your pink glass judgement. And i will 100% agree to disagree.
It seems to be a conflict of culture. In the East it looks as if one should value their elders and have some sort of unwavering respect and trust. Where as in the West we have more of an emphasis on our own personal rights and entitlements. Thus we can empathise with MMA and Crank who were looking out for themselves and seem to be caught up in a petty war of whose to blame.
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On October 23 2012 18:03 felisconcolori wrote:
So wait, wait...
Jessica didn't say that she told Boxer to go to SKT1? I thought that was in the very first set of statements.
And I am extremely wary of any "clarifications" that come later. From anyone.
I don't know anymore. I just don't.
... and I don't care. At least as much as I did to start with. It's one team, one group of players; it's not the end of the world no matter how big a name Boxer has. (Which, note, he is not bringing into the fight by staying out of it. Why, I don't know. Maybe just because he doesn't want to get involved in the public drama fest. Or else nothing he can say would be beneficial to him or to anyone else.)
But this too shall pass, and in the end it's a whole load of sound and fury which isn't signifying much of anything else right now. I feel sorry for everyone that is stuck in this flurry of accusations, counter accusations, justifications, clarifications, and whatever other '-ations' might be going on. The GSL goes on. The GSTL goes on. OSL goes on. So too NASL, IPL, MLG, DH, etc. Best wishes for everyone in the future.
I might check up for a summation of "what the eff happened here" in six months or so. If there aren't still press releases and hugely public arguments going on.
what the heck are you saying. Jessica suggested to Boxer that he should take a break and during that time SKT1 happened to need a coach so Boxer decided to go back to SKT1. Know your shits man.
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On October 23 2012 18:07 Frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:03 felisconcolori wrote:
So wait, wait...
Jessica didn't say that she told Boxer to go to SKT1? I thought that was in the very first set of statements.
And I am extremely wary of any "clarifications" that come later. From anyone.
I don't know anymore. I just don't.
... and I don't care. At least as much as I did to start with. It's one team, one group of players; it's not the end of the world no matter how big a name Boxer has. (Which, note, he is not bringing into the fight by staying out of it. Why, I don't know. Maybe just because he doesn't want to get involved in the public drama fest. Or else nothing he can say would be beneficial to him or to anyone else.)
But this too shall pass, and in the end it's a whole load of sound and fury which isn't signifying much of anything else right now. I feel sorry for everyone that is stuck in this flurry of accusations, counter accusations, justifications, clarifications, and whatever other '-ations' might be going on. The GSL goes on. The GSTL goes on. OSL goes on. So too NASL, IPL, MLG, DH, etc. Best wishes for everyone in the future.
I might check up for a summation of "what the eff happened here" in six months or so. If there aren't still press releases and hugely public arguments going on. what the heck are you saying. Jessica suggested to Boxer that he should take a break and during that time SKT1 happened to need a coach so Boxer decided to go back to SKT1. Know your shits man.
Threads like these show that it's important to pay attention during reading comprehension classes xD
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On October 23 2012 18:07 Frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:03 felisconcolori wrote:
So wait, wait...
Jessica didn't say that she told Boxer to go to SKT1? I thought that was in the very first set of statements.
And I am extremely wary of any "clarifications" that come later. From anyone.
I don't know anymore. I just don't.
... and I don't care. At least as much as I did to start with. It's one team, one group of players; it's not the end of the world no matter how big a name Boxer has. (Which, note, he is not bringing into the fight by staying out of it. Why, I don't know. Maybe just because he doesn't want to get involved in the public drama fest. Or else nothing he can say would be beneficial to him or to anyone else.)
But this too shall pass, and in the end it's a whole load of sound and fury which isn't signifying much of anything else right now. I feel sorry for everyone that is stuck in this flurry of accusations, counter accusations, justifications, clarifications, and whatever other '-ations' might be going on. The GSL goes on. The GSTL goes on. OSL goes on. So too NASL, IPL, MLG, DH, etc. Best wishes for everyone in the future.
I might check up for a summation of "what the eff happened here" in six months or so. If there aren't still press releases and hugely public arguments going on. what the heck are you saying. Jessica suggested to Boxer that he should take a break and during that time SKT1 happened to need a coach so Boxer decided to go back to SKT1. Know your shits man.
From "Slayers to disband" (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041), first post, "mod approved translation", final paragraph of the (extremely long, meandering, wandering) "Why Boxer joined SKT1 Telecom" section...
Boxer was quickly losing his passion as player and manager, and it was tough on me as I watched it happen. He was teaching the players his 10 + years of experience in and outside the game, but the players weren't readily accepting it. So I suggested something that would help him, help T1, and perhaps motivate the remaining players on SlayerS. After thinking about it for a few days, Boxer decided that would be the best course of action.
So, I repeat... Jessica didn't say "Boxer, you should go to SKT1 because that might help you?" ?
Know your shits man.
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is there any tl;dr version for the whole thing? i have no time to read through all of this, all i Know is there is drama, but why.
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On October 23 2012 18:14 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:07 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 18:03 felisconcolori wrote:
So wait, wait...
Jessica didn't say that she told Boxer to go to SKT1? I thought that was in the very first set of statements.
And I am extremely wary of any "clarifications" that come later. From anyone.
I don't know anymore. I just don't.
... and I don't care. At least as much as I did to start with. It's one team, one group of players; it's not the end of the world no matter how big a name Boxer has. (Which, note, he is not bringing into the fight by staying out of it. Why, I don't know. Maybe just because he doesn't want to get involved in the public drama fest. Or else nothing he can say would be beneficial to him or to anyone else.)
But this too shall pass, and in the end it's a whole load of sound and fury which isn't signifying much of anything else right now. I feel sorry for everyone that is stuck in this flurry of accusations, counter accusations, justifications, clarifications, and whatever other '-ations' might be going on. The GSL goes on. The GSTL goes on. OSL goes on. So too NASL, IPL, MLG, DH, etc. Best wishes for everyone in the future.
I might check up for a summation of "what the eff happened here" in six months or so. If there aren't still press releases and hugely public arguments going on. what the heck are you saying. Jessica suggested to Boxer that he should take a break and during that time SKT1 happened to need a coach so Boxer decided to go back to SKT1. Know your shits man. From "Slayers to disband" (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041), first post, "mod approved translation", final paragraph of the (extremely long, meandering, wandering) "Why Boxer joined SKT1 Telecom" section... Show nested quote +
Boxer was quickly losing his passion as player and manager, and it was tough on me as I watched it happen. He was teaching the players his 10 + years of experience in and outside the game, but the players weren't readily accepting it. So I suggested something that would help him, help T1, and perhaps motivate the remaining players on SlayerS. After thinking about it for a few days, Boxer decided that would be the best course of action.
So, I repeat... Jessica didn't say "Boxer, you should go to SKT1 because that might help you?" ?
lol well played man!
BURN, FROST!
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On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 pdd wrote:
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team? Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out.
More professionals.... The team was well funded and was managed just fine until a bunch of people started to think too highly of themselves and too lowly of others. A bunch of people acting improfessional hurt the team and showed no respect to those they should respect.
Seems most of the faults the management had were pointed out after everyone who is really at fault started to affect the team negatively. "All of a sudden, now that I think Jessica is shit even though she didn't do anything wrong (yet), I'm going to start saying that I don't appreciate the current team situation".
Yes, Jessica did some shit wrong, but talking about business, she didn't do much wrong at all. As for management, she should have tried harder after the players destroyed the team, she could have saved it but her pride was too angry.
Someone slap me in the face if I'm so wrong.
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I just read the phone transcript at ESFI and guess crank really doesn't understand that he lied.
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Tl has been such a shit show lately. Its like the starcraft shore TT
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On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes...
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers... So only players are to blame ? For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned. Yes no blame at all to Jessica. no blame to jessica at all. i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids.
All kids are ungrateful and immature.
That is why they are called kids.
And that is why you have management and coaches 
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On October 23 2012 18:19 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:14 felisconcolori wrote:On October 23 2012 18:07 Frost wrote:On October 23 2012 18:03 felisconcolori wrote:
So wait, wait...
Jessica didn't say that she told Boxer to go to SKT1? I thought that was in the very first set of statements.
And I am extremely wary of any "clarifications" that come later. From anyone.
I don't know anymore. I just don't.
... and I don't care. At least as much as I did to start with. It's one team, one group of players; it's not the end of the world no matter how big a name Boxer has. (Which, note, he is not bringing into the fight by staying out of it. Why, I don't know. Maybe just because he doesn't want to get involved in the public drama fest. Or else nothing he can say would be beneficial to him or to anyone else.)
But this too shall pass, and in the end it's a whole load of sound and fury which isn't signifying much of anything else right now. I feel sorry for everyone that is stuck in this flurry of accusations, counter accusations, justifications, clarifications, and whatever other '-ations' might be going on. The GSL goes on. The GSTL goes on. OSL goes on. So too NASL, IPL, MLG, DH, etc. Best wishes for everyone in the future.
I might check up for a summation of "what the eff happened here" in six months or so. If there aren't still press releases and hugely public arguments going on. what the heck are you saying. Jessica suggested to Boxer that he should take a break and during that time SKT1 happened to need a coach so Boxer decided to go back to SKT1. Know your shits man. From "Slayers to disband" (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041), first post, "mod approved translation", final paragraph of the (extremely long, meandering, wandering) "Why Boxer joined SKT1 Telecom" section...
Boxer was quickly losing his passion as player and manager, and it was tough on me as I watched it happen. He was teaching the players his 10 + years of experience in and outside the game, but the players weren't readily accepting it. So I suggested something that would help him, help T1, and perhaps motivate the remaining players on SlayerS. After thinking about it for a few days, Boxer decided that would be the best course of action.
So, I repeat... Jessica didn't say "Boxer, you should go to SKT1 because that might help you?" ?
Know your shits man.
lol well played man! BURN, FROST!
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=126696&db=issue
Article on Boxer's return to SKT1
I'll translate the most relevant part:
가장 먼저 안지환 사무국장은 “임요환은 2004년 창단부터 2010년까지 SK텔레콤에서 선수 생활을 했었고, 오버 트리플 크라운을 달성하며 SK텔레콤이 명문 게임단으로 거듭나는데 큰 공을 세운 선수였다. 현재 프로리그에서 스타2 병행을 하면서 스타2 전담 코치의 필요성을 느꼈고, 임요환이 가장 적임자라고 생각해 영입을 하게 됐다”고 임요환의 코치 영입 배경에 대해 설명했다.
"First, secretary-general of SKT Ahn Ji Hwan explains the reason for recruiting Lim Yo Hwan as a coach: "Lim Yo Hwan was a player at SKTelecom ever since its creation in 2004 all the way to 2010 and was a key factor in making SKTelecom a prestigious team. Currently, in our switch to sc2 in proleague, we felt the necessity of a Starcraft 2 coach and felt Boxer was the best choice for this position and hired him""
Now I'll say it again, Jessica suggested to Boxer he takes a break and during THAT TIME, SKT1 happened to need a coach hence why Boxer called SKT1. So yeah know your shit man
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I follow only BW and SC2 scene so can anyone tell me if things like these are present in other game communities too?
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On October 23 2012 18:23 Greenhit wrote:
Tl has been such a shit show lately. Its like the starcraft shore TT
agreed.
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On October 23 2012 18:20 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 pdd wrote:
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team? Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out. More professionals.... The team was well funded and was managed just fine until a bunch of people started to think too highly of themselves and too lowly of others. A bunch of people acting improfessional hurt the team and showed no respect to those they should respect. Seems most of the faults the management had were pointed out after everyone who is really at fault started to affect the team negatively. "All of a sudden, now that I think Jessica is shit even though she didn't do anything wrong (yet), I'm going to start saying that I don't appreciate the current team situation". Yes, Jessica did some shit wrong, but talking about business, she didn't do much wrong at all. As for management, she should have tried harder after the players destroyed the team, she could have saved it but her pride was too angry. Someone slap me in the face if I'm so wrong.
In terms of business she failed completely. Slayers was in the strongest position out of any esports team. They had access to the Korean market as well as the foreign market. The team was immensely popular with foreigners after their visit to the US where MMA was winning tournaments and Boxer was making an impact. MMA was a GSL champion and the team won two GSTL titles. It is totally up to her to use all of these feats that no other team could boast to leverage a deal with either local or foreign sponsors.
She has already admitted to her failures and her fault in the the team collapsing when hiring J to act on her behalf to secure sponsorships. It was her responsibility being at the top of management to secure the teams long term survival.
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On October 23 2012 18:29 Art.FeeL wrote:
I follow only BW and SC2 scene so can anyone tell me if things like these are present in other game communities too?
Based on various LoL and Dota 2 team/player announcements, I would say probably.
And the fact that with some bits of drama, people point out previous experiences with the same management guys in different games, it's not just an SC2/BW thing (in terms of general management/player issues that is).
E.g. in the Apex thread people were saying the management guys were known as being dodgy from their "investments" in teams for other games.
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On October 23 2012 18:06 jworld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 17:52 Lysanias wrote:On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote:On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote:On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes...
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers... So only players are to blame ? For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned. Yes no blame at all to Jessica. no blame to jessica at all. i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids. Fair enough, i'll respect your pink glass judgement. And i will 100% agree to disagree. It seems to be a conflict of culture. In the East it looks as if one should value their elders and have some sort of unwavering respect and trust. Where as in the West we have more of an emphasis on our own personal rights and entitlements. Thus we can empathise with MMA and Crank who were looking out for themselves and seem to be caught up in a petty war of whose to blame.
So in asian culture management takes no responsibility ? SlayerS was the richest team out there when they started in the end had no sponsors, made huge mistakes in it's choice of management, had an awful atmosfer in there team house.
I don't know about you but i believe in any culture you should draw atleast conclusions that even though MMA etc are at fault aswell, you as the team owner did alot of things wrong to.
Players now said they were sorry for everyhing, she got what she wanted, yet i doubt she will stop.
Asian culture ? Somehow i doubt it.
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