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playnice
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia302 Posts
October 23 2012 08:28 GMT
#1381
On October 23 2012 17:20 tyner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2012 16:53 tyner wrote:
Crank - Shit head, screwed in the Korean sc2 scene, no one will practice with him now. Wouldn't be surprised if Axiom drops him, his contract definitely isn't going to be renewed.
MMA - Idiot, not as much of a shit head as Crank, screwed over his own friend. I doubt he will get a good salary off a major team because of this drama + has been in a slump for a long long time.


Axiom can confirm at this time that tyner doesnt know shit.


I just feel bad for you =(

Do you even know who he is?
freakhill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Japan463 Posts
October 23 2012 08:31 GMT
#1382
On October 23 2012 17:27 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote:
I'm really happy about the way MMA expressed himself.
He admits faults, appologizes and overall is quite humble.
That makes his story a whole lot more believable than the one-sidied storm of accusations that jessica offers (not for the first time).


Why does it make it more believable? Because it pushes your button the good way?
moo ForGG, Dragon, MVP, Gumiho, DRG, PartinG, Life]0[!
boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 08:36:44
October 23 2012 08:34 GMT
#1383
Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled.

It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses.

Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it.

If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've dropped the hammer on Slayers. The players might have been childish, but the entire environment was childish. This is what happens when rich stars think they know how to run a business. They ran Slayers like a playskool lemonade set and thought that spilling in more money than the other teams would solve their problems. Well, the other teams are alive and Slayers is done.
redc
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia81 Posts
October 23 2012 08:38 GMT
#1384
So at this point is anyone prepared to answer the simple, direct and obvious question.

Why are SlayerS disbanding?

If the problem was player X, Y or Z, well they're gone. Problem solved.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
October 23 2012 08:38 GMT
#1385
On October 23 2012 17:34 boxturtle wrote:
Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled.

It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses.

Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it.

If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've shut them down a long time ago.

What are you talking about? Translations in this thread suggest that MMA was lied to by Manager J and Jessica+Boxer were misled as well. From what people say, it seems that Manager J purposefully lied to them to breed mistrust and bad blood within the house.

Which leads me to my main issue, how is Manager J getting off the hook here? I haven't heard anything about him and he honestly seems like the primary, if not the sole culprit here. Jessica, Boxer, MMA...they just seem like they're caught up in this guys lies. Why aren't people asking for more clarification about this Manager J?
freakhill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Japan463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 08:41:44
October 23 2012 08:40 GMT
#1386
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes... 
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers...
moo ForGG, Dragon, MVP, Gumiho, DRG, PartinG, Life]0[!
boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
October 23 2012 08:42 GMT
#1387
On October 23 2012 17:38 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:34 boxturtle wrote:
Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled.

It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses.

Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it.

If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've shut them down a long time ago.

What are you talking about? Translations in this thread suggest that MMA was lied to by Manager J and Jessica+Boxer were misled as well. From what people say, it seems that Manager J purposefully lied to them to breed mistrust and bad blood within the house.

Which leads me to my main issue, how is Manager J getting off the hook here? I haven't heard anything about him and he honestly seems like the primary, if not the sole culprit here. Jessica, Boxer, MMA...they just seem like they're caught up in this guys lies. Why aren't people asking for more clarification about this Manager J?


Exactly. Didn't they know something was wrong when players were wondering where their personal sponsorships went? I don't understand how anyone that's ever been in any workplace could allow money to just go random places. Boxer asked Jessica where the money was, and it was redirected to him?

Kids with cracker jack box certificates on how to do their friends' tax returns could've managed their finances better.
Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
October 23 2012 08:42 GMT
#1388
If Boxer really stopped playing because of Jessica, it's time to fetch the tridents !
It ain't over till it's over
bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
October 23 2012 08:42 GMT
#1389
Boxer quits because of Jessica. Wow....
Not even going to see Boxer in HOTS now

gg.
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 08:47:09
October 23 2012 08:47 GMT
#1390
On October 23 2012 17:42 bhfberserk wrote:
Boxer quits because of Jessica. Wow....
Not even going to see Boxer in HOTS now

gg.


What the heck are you saying. Boxer did not quit because of Jessica. Jessica already clarified this dumb accusation so stop spreading it.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 08:48:11
October 23 2012 08:47 GMT
#1391
On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes... 
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers...


So only players are to blame ?
For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned.

Yes no blame at all to Jessica.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 23 2012 08:47 GMT
#1392
On October 23 2012 17:34 boxturtle wrote:
Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled.

It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses.

Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it.

If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've dropped the hammer on Slayers. The players might have been childish, but the entire environment was childish. This is what happens when rich stars think they know how to run a business. They ran Slayers like a playskool lemonade set and thought that spilling in more money than the other teams would solve their problems. Well, the other teams are alive and Slayers is done.


The sponsorships going to Boxer instead of MMA was a mistranslation. That didn't happen.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
freakhill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Japan463 Posts
October 23 2012 08:50 GMT
#1393
On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes... 
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers...


So only players are to blame ?
For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned.

Yes no blame at all to Jessica.


no blame to jessica at all.
i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids.
moo ForGG, Dragon, MVP, Gumiho, DRG, PartinG, Life]0[!
RobbieF
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia28 Posts
October 23 2012 08:50 GMT
#1394
I really like the response from MMA, if I had the money I would give him a sponsorship. Professionalism will slowly be brought into this game and the sooner it gets here the better. This sort of thing has to stop happening and teams that are set up to grow and prosper would be well advised to employ the correct management team.
If only I was smart enough to write something clever.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 08:52:11
October 23 2012 08:51 GMT
#1395
On October 23 2012 17:47 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:34 boxturtle wrote:
Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled.

It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses.

Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it.

If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've dropped the hammer on Slayers. The players might have been childish, but the entire environment was childish. This is what happens when rich stars think they know how to run a business. They ran Slayers like a playskool lemonade set and thought that spilling in more money than the other teams would solve their problems. Well, the other teams are alive and Slayers is done.


The sponsorships going to Boxer instead of MMA was a mistranslation. That didn't happen.


Not really. TIG only reports about one sponsor deal, while Inven reported two, one of them went to Boxer instead of MMA. So there's two possibilities now.

According to:

On October 23 2012 16:46 Frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 16:31 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2012 16:23 revel8 wrote:
On October 23 2012 16:08 Canucklehead wrote:
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote:
The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:

"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead?
A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.'
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."

I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?

After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)

But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.

If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.

If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.

Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.


Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.

MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer.

Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer
. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.

WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?


I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.



This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.

Slayers Jessica

What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.


The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.


That translation is a bit off. Here's the actual, more clear translation done by me (only for that part) since I'm getting tired of these slightly inaccurate translations.

http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48923
Note that I am going by inven's interview with Jessica. ALSO NOTE: Jessica talks about two sponsorships. The interview with inven deals with each of the sponsors separately.

Here's the translation of the part regarding the sponsors.
----MMA raised questions regarding the personal sponsorship issue.
Jessica: The sponsor decided to change its personal sponsorship from MMA to Boxer. You can confirm easily by checking with the said sponsor. There was another "sponsor" that Manager J suggested. At first, Manager J said that it was possible for MMA to have a personal sponsorship from this "sponsor", but later Manager J said the sponsor company was sponsoring another player in a different team so the company was unable to sponsor MMA. I checked later with the company (Note: the one mentioned by J) and the company replied that there was no contact at all between Manager J and the company. It was a ploy by Manager J to create dissent between the team and the team members.

Note: Jessica includes both sponsor companies in her interview with TIG so the translation of TIG's interview will be slightly different from the interview with Inven.


So yeah, there are two sponsorship deals. One did not involve Boxer, while another did. Still have to see which website report the interview incorrectly.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 23 2012 08:52 GMT
#1396
On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote:
On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes... 
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers...


So only players are to blame ?
For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned.

Yes no blame at all to Jessica.


no blame to jessica at all.
i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids.


Fair enough, i'll respect your pink glass judgement.

And i will 100% agree to disagree.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
October 23 2012 08:53 GMT
#1397
On October 23 2012 17:38 redc wrote:
So at this point is anyone prepared to answer the simple, direct and obvious question.

Why are SlayerS disbanding?

If the problem was player X, Y or Z, well they're gone. Problem solved.


I think there were some money issues too, and with losing their best horses it´s getting even worse.

Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 08:58:17
October 23 2012 08:53 GMT
#1398
On October 23 2012 17:38 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:34 boxturtle wrote:
Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled.

It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses.

Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it.

If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've shut them down a long time ago.

What are you talking about? Translations in this thread suggest that MMA was lied to by Manager J and Jessica+Boxer were misled as well. From what people say, it seems that Manager J purposefully lied to them to breed mistrust and bad blood within the house.

Which leads me to my main issue, how is Manager J getting off the hook here? I haven't heard anything about him and he honestly seems like the primary, if not the sole culprit here. Jessica, Boxer, MMA...they just seem like they're caught up in this guys lies. Why aren't people asking for more clarification about this Manager J?

Exactly. I guess all we know is that he got cut from the team after Jessica found out about him lying to players about non-existant personal sponsorships. Must have been that day when Jessica announced that the previous @SlayersTeam Twitter and Facebook accounts were no longer official.

So my initial gut feeling that this shady Manager J was the major cause to SlayerS' demise still stands. SlayerS not joining SC2CON/ESF and disregarding the NASL ban (resulting in the practice ban by SC2CON/ESF) and dwindling sponsor money (resulting in relocating the team house from downtown Seoul to outskirts Gimpo and in fewer amneties such as team vans) were just secondary, yet contributing things.

Since Jessica as the team manager/owner hired this Manager J though (and then neglected to check up on him), it is ultimately her fault. By the time she tried to catch up and set things straight, player-management relations had already deteriorated to a point where the events to follow (team bleeding talent, spreading dissent, open blame and accusations, contract disputes, Boxer leaving) could not be stopped anymore.
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 23 2012 08:55 GMT
#1399
On October 23 2012 17:53 USvBleakill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:38 redc wrote:
So at this point is anyone prepared to answer the simple, direct and obvious question.

Why are SlayerS disbanding?

If the problem was player X, Y or Z, well they're gone. Problem solved.


I think there were some money issues too, and with losing their best horses it´s getting even worse.



This drama is a good way to hide that simple question, and evade responsibity.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
October 23 2012 08:55 GMT
#1400
On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote:
On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote:
I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes... 
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers...


So only players are to blame ?
For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned.

Yes no blame at all to Jessica.


no blame to jessica at all.
i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids.


Everyone is to be blamed on this mess = = Players are immature and should behave more professionally. The management was just so bad that could not even checking the background or bother to check periodically what J did and let him scam the whole team. I understand that Jessica did not purposely screw the players but to say that her management was acceptable is beyond bad.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
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