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Crank and MMA's accounts regarding SlayerS - Page 70
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playnice
Malaysia299 Posts
Do you even know who he is? | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:27 Yomi-no-Kuni wrote: I'm really happy about the way MMA expressed himself. He admits faults, appologizes and overall is quite humble. That makes his story a whole lot more believable than the one-sidied storm of accusations that jessica offers (not for the first time). Why does it make it more believable? Because it pushes your button the good way? | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses. Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it. If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've dropped the hammer on Slayers. The players might have been childish, but the entire environment was childish. This is what happens when rich stars think they know how to run a business. They ran Slayers like a playskool lemonade set and thought that spilling in more money than the other teams would solve their problems. Well, the other teams are alive and Slayers is done. | ||
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redc
Australia81 Posts
Why are SlayerS disbanding? If the problem was player X, Y or Z, well they're gone. Problem solved. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:34 boxturtle wrote: Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled. It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses. Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it. If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've shut them down a long time ago. What are you talking about? Translations in this thread suggest that MMA was lied to by Manager J and Jessica+Boxer were misled as well. From what people say, it seems that Manager J purposefully lied to them to breed mistrust and bad blood within the house. Which leads me to my main issue, how is Manager J getting off the hook here? I haven't heard anything about him and he honestly seems like the primary, if not the sole culprit here. Jessica, Boxer, MMA...they just seem like they're caught up in this guys lies. Why aren't people asking for more clarification about this Manager J? | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers... | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:38 Supamang wrote: What are you talking about? Translations in this thread suggest that MMA was lied to by Manager J and Jessica+Boxer were misled as well. From what people say, it seems that Manager J purposefully lied to them to breed mistrust and bad blood within the house. Which leads me to my main issue, how is Manager J getting off the hook here? I haven't heard anything about him and he honestly seems like the primary, if not the sole culprit here. Jessica, Boxer, MMA...they just seem like they're caught up in this guys lies. Why aren't people asking for more clarification about this Manager J? Exactly. Didn't they know something was wrong when players were wondering where their personal sponsorships went? I don't understand how anyone that's ever been in any workplace could allow money to just go random places. Boxer asked Jessica where the money was, and it was redirected to him? Kids with cracker jack box certificates on how to do their friends' tax returns could've managed their finances better. | ||
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Opera
France469 Posts
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bhfberserk
Canada390 Posts
Not even going to see Boxer in HOTS now gg. | ||
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Frost
Korea (South)1042 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:42 bhfberserk wrote: Boxer quits because of Jessica. Wow.... Not even going to see Boxer in HOTS now gg. What the heck are you saying. Boxer did not quit because of Jessica. Jessica already clarified this dumb accusation so stop spreading it. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:40 freakhill wrote: I am supporting Jessica in these endeavors. I deem Crank's and MMA's behaviour unacceptable and can't show support for these players anymore. Let's hope the remaining Slayer players find some good new homes... Crank and MMA contributed heavily to destroy a nice place for progamers... So only players are to blame ? For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned. Yes no blame at all to Jessica. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:34 boxturtle wrote: Jessica's true colors are starting to come out. Now comes the real details of the personal sponsorships going to boxer instead of MMA, and how all that was handled. It is simply beyond ridiculous how anyone can feel sympathy for the management. Koreans say that Jessica/Boxer spilled their own money and made the team, but they were so negligent that they allowed things that would destroy most US corporations to happen under their noses. Maybe if CranK does well in the next MLG, he can get a vacation to Europe to stay in Ministry of Win or something. He might be able to lay low while getting some of dat tourney experience. Supernova and forGG definitely showed the benefits of it. If this was any established workplace in America, the government would've dropped the hammer on Slayers. The players might have been childish, but the entire environment was childish. This is what happens when rich stars think they know how to run a business. They ran Slayers like a playskool lemonade set and thought that spilling in more money than the other teams would solve their problems. Well, the other teams are alive and Slayers is done. The sponsorships going to Boxer instead of MMA was a mistranslation. That didn't happen. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:47 Lysanias wrote: So only players are to blame ? For a woman who's fighting so hard to get justice she did bitter little to comfort and restore players trust after that Manager J incident, who she herself assigned. Yes no blame at all to Jessica. no blame to jessica at all. i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids. | ||
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RobbieF
Australia28 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:47 GolemMadness wrote: The sponsorships going to Boxer instead of MMA was a mistranslation. That didn't happen. Not really. TIG only reports about one sponsor deal, while Inven reported two, one of them went to Boxer instead of MMA. So there's two possibilities now. According to: On October 23 2012 16:46 Frost wrote: That translation is a bit off. Here's the actual, more clear translation done by me (only for that part) since I'm getting tired of these slightly inaccurate translations. http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48923 Note that I am going by inven's interview with Jessica. ALSO NOTE: Jessica talks about two sponsorships. The interview with inven deals with each of the sponsors separately. Here's the translation of the part regarding the sponsors. ----MMA raised questions regarding the personal sponsorship issue. Jessica: The sponsor decided to change its personal sponsorship from MMA to Boxer. You can confirm easily by checking with the said sponsor. There was another "sponsor" that Manager J suggested. At first, Manager J said that it was possible for MMA to have a personal sponsorship from this "sponsor", but later Manager J said the sponsor company was sponsoring another player in a different team so the company was unable to sponsor MMA. I checked later with the company (Note: the one mentioned by J) and the company replied that there was no contact at all between Manager J and the company. It was a ploy by Manager J to create dissent between the team and the team members. Note: Jessica includes both sponsor companies in her interview with TIG so the translation of TIG's interview will be slightly different from the interview with Inven. So yeah, there are two sponsorship deals. One did not involve Boxer, while another did. Still have to see which website report the interview incorrectly. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote: no blame to jessica at all. i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids. Fair enough, i'll respect your pink glass judgement. And i will 100% agree to disagree. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:38 redc wrote: So at this point is anyone prepared to answer the simple, direct and obvious question. Why are SlayerS disbanding? If the problem was player X, Y or Z, well they're gone. Problem solved. I think there were some money issues too, and with losing their best horses it´s getting even worse. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:38 Supamang wrote: What are you talking about? Translations in this thread suggest that MMA was lied to by Manager J and Jessica+Boxer were misled as well. From what people say, it seems that Manager J purposefully lied to them to breed mistrust and bad blood within the house. Which leads me to my main issue, how is Manager J getting off the hook here? I haven't heard anything about him and he honestly seems like the primary, if not the sole culprit here. Jessica, Boxer, MMA...they just seem like they're caught up in this guys lies. Why aren't people asking for more clarification about this Manager J? Exactly. I guess all we know is that he got cut from the team after Jessica found out about him lying to players about non-existant personal sponsorships. Must have been that day when Jessica announced that the previous @SlayersTeam Twitter and Facebook accounts were no longer official. So my initial gut feeling that this shady Manager J was the major cause to SlayerS' demise still stands. SlayerS not joining SC2CON/ESF and disregarding the NASL ban (resulting in the practice ban by SC2CON/ESF) and dwindling sponsor money (resulting in relocating the team house from downtown Seoul to outskirts Gimpo and in fewer amneties such as team vans) were just secondary, yet contributing things. Since Jessica as the team manager/owner hired this Manager J though (and then neglected to check up on him), it is ultimately her fault. By the time she tried to catch up and set things straight, player-management relations had already deteriorated to a point where the events to follow (team bleeding talent, spreading dissent, open blame and accusations, contract disputes, Boxer leaving) could not be stopped anymore. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:53 USvBleakill wrote: I think there were some money issues too, and with losing their best horses it´s getting even worse. This drama is a good way to hide that simple question, and evade responsibity. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 23 2012 17:50 freakhill wrote: no blame to jessica at all. i see boxer and jessica putting all they have, and 2-3 ungrateful and immature kids. Everyone is to be blamed on this mess = = Players are immature and should behave more professionally. The management was just so bad that could not even checking the background or bother to check periodically what J did and let him scam the whole team. I understand that Jessica did not purposely screw the players but to say that her management was acceptable is beyond bad. | ||
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