On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.
Slayers Jessica
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.
The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.
On October 23 2012 16:08 Malinor wrote: I am already tired only trying to read through all this drama. Most likely this is mostly bad communication/ communication gone wrong with some personal resentments mixed in.
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
It is possible to get clarification on this by checking Boxer's history of personal sponsors. These obviously should be public as sponsorship deals are by their very nature publicised. It should be possible to verify if Boxer was sponsored by N or S, presumably N or S are the first letters of companies names. Jessica makes it clear she was ignorant about these sponsorship negotiations and checked to see if Manager J had been involved in them. Apparently he was not, so Boxer must have been doing the negotiations.
If she was told they went to Boxer instead for negotiations, then why didn't she just ask Boxer? Here is the quote:
A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.'
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue.
It's clear that she became aware of this situation when "they went to Boxer instead" (whatever that means). If she meant that they were negotiating with him, then why would she even ask the companies about Manager J, because Boxer was the one negotiating (which she should know in the first place since that is how she "found out")?
EDIT: Okay, let's just wait for a better translation. >_>
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.
The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.
WHOA, massive mistranslation there. It should go: "my understanding is that they believed I was trying to transfer sponsorships from companies N and S originally meant for MMA to Boxer. In fact, I had no clue about these sponsorships and when I investigated later, said companies didn't even know who manager J was.
edit: as in, such sponsorships did not exist in the first place seems to be what Jessica is insisting
On October 23 2012 16:23 revel8 wrote: Apparently he was not, so Boxer must have been doing the negotiations.
But how does that make sense? If Boxer was doing the negotiations for those sponsorship deals we're talking about, he would know about the deals, correct? If he knew about the deals, why would he need to go to Jessica to ask her about them at all? When MMA came to Boxer asking about the deals, Boxer could have just said "oh those deals? yeah I handled them and although they were offered to you I negotiated them to go to myself."
I just can't see any of that making sense.
It is confusing. But how could Boxer get sponsorship deals without someone negotiating with the sponsors? Jessica says it was not her or Manager J. She also says that Boxer seemed ignorant of them too. Boxer's record of personal sponsorship should reveal some light on whether he ended up with two additional sponsors, but a Korean speaker will be needed to look that up. Maybe someone can ask Jessica for clarification.
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.
Slayers Jessica
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.
The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.
WHOA, massive mistranslation there. It should go: "my understanding is that they believed I was trying to transfer sponsorships from companies N and S originally meant for MMA to Boxer. In fact, I had no clue about these sponsorships and when I investigated later, said companies didn't even know who manager J was.
edit: as in, such sponsorships did not exist in the first place seems to be what Jessica is insisting
Well then, I take back what I said earlier and that translation now aligns with the first part of her answer and doesn't contradict it. That's a pretty big and important mistranslation!
Damn, why can't People be nice to each other? What's so difficult about it? Why make life so much harder? ....... We are all humans, we make mistakes. Why not be honest? Why not talk about problems and mistakes? Why not forgive each other, if they apologized. Sometimes I don't really get it...
1) Manager J tells MMA (and possibly other players) that personal sponsorship from two named companies was offered for MMA, but that Jessica turned it into personal sponsorship for Boxer.
2) MMA asks Boxer about personal sponsorship not going to him as offered. Boxer knows nothing.
3) Boxer asks Jessica about this who has no clue as she was not dealing with sponsorships at the time.
4) Eventually, Jessica hears about what prompted MMA to ask Boxer, and then calls these named companies.
5) The named companies have never heard about a Manager J, implying there were no sponsorships offered and that Manager J had lied to incite players.
WHOA, massive mistranslation there. It should go: "my understanding is that they believed I was trying to transfer sponsorships from companies N and S originally meant for MMA to Boxer. In fact, I had no clue about these sponsorships and when I investigated later, said companies didn't even know who manager J was.
edit: as in, such sponsorships did not exist in the first place seems to be what Jessica is insisting
LOL, doh! Yeah that is a huge translation error. Thanks for correcting the translation, it makes much more sense now. Original translation implied these two sponsorship deals EXISTED. Your translation implies the deals never existed. That's a big difference. I'll edit my posts to reflect this.
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.
Slayers Jessica
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.
The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.
WHOA, massive mistranslation there. It should go: "my understanding is that they believed I was trying to transfer sponsorships from companies N and S originally meant for MMA to Boxer. In fact, I had no clue about these sponsorships and when I investigated later, said companies didn't even know who manager J was.
edit: as in, such sponsorships did not exist in the first place seems to be what Jessica is insisting
OK, so you are saying that Jessica said that Boxer did not in fact get personal sponsors from 2 firms originally looking to sponsor MMA. MMA however believed that this had occured because Manager J told him that this had happened and Jessica was behind it. Upon investigation, Jessica found that these companies had not been in communication with Manager J, so he was blatantly lying to MMA.
Checking Boxer's sponsorships should show whether he picked up some extra sponsors in the relevent time-frame. If he did not then we can see that Manager J was not telling MMA the truth.
I went through all of the Possibly DRAMA that i could. What i found is that this whole thing seems to be a problem with management, a lack of sponsors, therefore a lack of motivation, and this might have tilted MMA and CRANK (Best Friends) to look to foreign teams. I don't think it is anyone's to blame. Almost everyone involved, had an unintentional negative impact on the team. Now let us get to the juice. Jessica is still rattling MMA and CranK's cage. Why? Because she wants an apology, It think this is absolutely ridiculous, Jessica had as much to do with the problem as anyone else. And If it makes her happy. Then maybe MMA and CranK should just say they are sorry. But, the problem i think is, that they already have, if you have seen the interviews posted by all parties today, you will see that everyone is sorry that this happened. And we move on! But Jessica just doesn't seem to get it. She seems to get extremely mad when players leave her team. Happened with Jeon Yong Soo aka Dragon. And it sure as hell is happening with CranK and MMA. I think it is so immature that Jessica is blaming the collapse of Slayers on her players. This whole thing seems to be a problem with management. I wish the best to MMA and CranK. I feel like she is trying to hurt their reputations. That just isn't fair.
I quote this from ESFI/ITG Article. "Q: If Crank apologizes, will you stop this issue? A: Yes. I will end it once there is an apology. "
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.
The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.
That translation is a bit off. Here's the actual, more clear translation done by me (only for that part) since I'm getting tired of these slightly inaccurate translations.
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48923 Note that I am going by inven's interview with Jessica. ALSO NOTE: Jessica talks about two sponsorships. The interview with inven deals with each of the sponsors separately.
Here's the translation of the part regarding the sponsors. ----MMA raised questions regarding the personal sponsorship issue. Jessica: The sponsor decided to change its personal sponsorship from MMA to Boxer. You can confirm easily by checking with the said sponsor. There was another "sponsor" that Manager J suggested. At first, Manager J said that it was possible for MMA to have a personal sponsorship from this "sponsor", but later Manager J said the sponsor company was sponsoring another player in a different team so the company was unable to sponsor MMA. I checked later with the company (Note: the one mentioned by J) and the company replied that there was no contact at all between Manager J and the company. It was a ploy by Manager J to create dissent between the team and the team members.
Note: Jessica includes both sponsor companies in her interview with TIG so the translation of TIG's interview will be slightly different from the interview with Inven.
I wonder what thatphone call will achieve regarding things MMA stated. It seems both parties were blaming the other for some problems and this miscommunication was really unbearable to the point Jessica came out with all the shit
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.
Slayers Jessica
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.
The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.
That translation is a bit off. Here's the actual, more clear translation done by me (only for that part) since I'm getting tired of these slightly inaccurate translations.
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48923 Note that I am going by inven's interview with Jessica. ALSO NOTE: Jessica talks about two sponsorships. The interview with inven deals with each of the sponsors separately.
Here's the translation of the part regarding the sponsors. ----MMA raised questions regarding the personal sponsorship issue. Jessica: The sponsor decided to change its personal sponsorship from MMA to Boxer. You can confirm easily by checking with the said sponsor. There was another "sponsor" that Manager J suggested. At first, Manager J said that it was possible for MMA to have a personal sponsorship from this "sponsor", but later Manager J said the sponsor company was sponsoring another player in a different team so the company was unable to sponsor MMA. I checked later with the company (Note: the one mentioned by J) and the company replied that there was no contact at all between Manager J and the company. It was a ploy by Manager J to create dissent between the team and the team members.
Note: Jessica includes both sponsor companies in her interview with TIG so the translation of TIG's interview will be slightly different from the interview with Inven.
do you feel like either Inven or TIG has gotten something wrong here? I'm getting conflicting messages from them.
Jessica seems borderline psychotic after reading all this. Hope everything goes well and MMA/Crank move on with no apology to Jessica. Just ignore her since they have already said their piece and move along their merry way onto better things.
Crank - Shit head, screwed in the Korean sc2 scene, no one will practice with him now. Wouldn't be surprised if Axiom drops him, his contract definitely isn't going to be renewed. MMA - Idiot, not as much of a shit head as Crank, screwed over his own friend. I doubt he will get a good salary off a major team because of this drama + has been in a slump for a long long time.
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
This is the exact quote from the ESFI translation and another translator will have to verify this.
Slayers Jessica
What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead.
The word, "instead" was used implying that it was supposed to go to MMA first, but instead went to Boxer.
That translation is a bit off. Here's the actual, more clear translation done by me (only for that part) since I'm getting tired of these slightly inaccurate translations.
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=48923 Note that I am going by inven's interview with Jessica. ALSO NOTE: Jessica talks about two sponsorships. The interview with inven deals with each of the sponsors separately.
Here's the translation of the part regarding the sponsors. ----MMA raised questions regarding the personal sponsorship issue. Jessica: The sponsor decided to change its personal sponsorship from MMA to Boxer. You can confirm easily by checking with the said sponsor. There was another "sponsor" that Manager J suggested. At first, Manager J said that it was possible for MMA to have a personal sponsorship from this "sponsor", but later Manager J said the sponsor company was sponsoring another player in a different team so the company was unable to sponsor MMA. I checked later with the company (Note: the one mentioned by J) and the company replied that there was no contact at all between Manager J and the company. It was a ploy by Manager J to create dissent between the team and the team members.
Note: Jessica includes both sponsor companies in her interview with TIG so the translation of TIG's interview will be slightly different from the interview with Inven.
Thanks. That version is clearer than the TIG version.
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