Whichever sides are a telling truer story, we may never know. But one thing is for sure: No one would risk talking to Jessica anything without consulting a laywer first. lol. I am not saying that she's wrong in this drama. It's just that she unfortunately (but clearly by her own determination) had to reveal so much private stuff to public. And when she's the only source of information w/ hard evidence, it is clear that these kids were not a match for her to begin with. You can be sure that she won't release anything that's going to put her/Boxer in a negative light. It's just too creepy to think a person may record every single word you utter in conversations and will use it against you if necessary.
Boxer is also a very curious case here. It is very strange that he is completely out of the picture in this drama while his wife is speaking for herself and him. She of course is an individual and speaks for herself, but no one seriously believe there was no pre-arrangement between them before engaging in PR war like this. I am guessing that they have determined that it is their best interest for Jessica to be the one taking the beating - I wonder why.
I am not siding with anyone with such one-sided stories from both sides. (and selective recordings from one person) But the way things are being handled IS something that surely can be judged. The players will be on notice in public's mind as well. Right now I don't think anyone will be singled out (Does anyone seriously think everything falls on Crank alone, if that.. ) in the court of public, but when any of them gets involved in anything similar in the future, it will be easy to make a case against them.
The more information that comes out, the worse it looks for MMA and Crank and Alicia. Cella said that Crank was going to avoid playing in Team League (I assume GSTL) but did not want to let Jessica or the rest of the team know? That completely messes up the preparations for the team, as they have to field someone else at short notice and without preparation. That is a massive slap in the face to the rest of the team as you don't want to fight for the team cause.
If Crank wanted to leave to join a Foreign team to earn a salary, then why not be upfront about it? You cannot really be criticised for trying to get paid, when former team-mates such as Ganzi and Taeja have managed successful transfers. Crank had only won $200 or so before TB helped him get to MLG Raleigh. Obviously relying on tournament prize money to earn his fortune was not exactly working out for him.
And Alicia declined/refused to play in the Team League because he did not like to lose? WTF? It's his job to play SC2, losing games is part of being a pro-gamer, refusing to play for such a reason should not be acceptable. Being ill or too busy with other tournaments are acceptable reasons to decline, not refusing to play because you scared to lose? Damn, Alicia, way to help the Team by refusing to play! And he was supposed to be the Captain? Terrible attitude!
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer.
Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am already tired only trying to read through all this drama. Most likely this is mostly bad communication/ communication gone wrong with some personal resentments mixed in.
EDIT: Ignore all this as this part of the translation was completely wrong according to user storywriter on this forum. Based on storywriter's corrected translation, the two sponsorship deals in question NEVER EXISTED.
On October 23 2012 15:58 babylon wrote: (I am incredibly confused about the two personal sponsorships that were supposed to go to MMA but went to Boxer instead? Can anyone clarify this for me? I just don't understand how that can happen, and it seems that MMA's worries were somewhat justified in that case.)
That's the same part I mentioned a few posts above yours that I'm confused on as well. Maybe it got lost in translation, but from what I seem to make of it:
Jessica told Boxer that the sponsorships were fine with regards to MMA and that nothing wrong was happening.
She then finds out that two sponsorships intended for MMA got diverted to Boxer instead.
These sponsorships were the job of Manager J to handle. She contacts the two companies directly and they don't even know who manager J was.
(but this implies the companies never talked with Manager J. BUT... if the companies never talked to him, and the sponsorships went to Boxer... the unanswered question is who did they talk to that finalized the contracts so that they would pay to Boxer?)
After that Jessica tries to feign ignorance/innocence by asking the interviewer is answering questions about sponsorship deals something other teams ask of their managers?
(implying she's not sure if managers are supposed to answer these types of questions?)
Personally this reeks of BS to me. Who the hell in the team OTHER than the managers are supposed to answer these types of questions, as who the hell in the team would even know the answers to these questions?
Manager J should know right, since he was in charge of sponsorships for the team? EXACTLY! So it wasn't so far fetched that MMA would believe what Manager J told him about Jessica messing around with the sponsorship money.
On the one hand we have Manager J telling MMA that there's fishy stuff going on with MMA's sponsorship money.
On the other hand we have Jessica who doesn't have a CLUE what the hell is going on with the sponsorships.
Who is MMA more likely to believe?
My money is on Manager J. So all this bashing of MMA about how he was naive and wrong in believing Manager J's stories? Well if I understood Jessica's interview correctly, MMA wasn't in the wrong at all about any of that. He believed the most likely person who would know about the sponsorship deals - and that is Manager J, the sole person in the team who was responsible for handling them.
This drama is REALLY long and really hard for me to follow...
Is it possible for someone to summarize this WHOLE drama in one or two sentences? If so, can someone do that? Such as who is the biggest and main culprit, where everything started from?
If not then I can understand....no need to be sarcastic, because I am sure a lot of people can't follow this whole drama.
No. The only way people can summarise the entire thing in a couple of sentences is by being extremely biased or vague.
People did stupid stuff and were influenced negatively by people, there was a lot of distrust and bad communication between people which led to a breakdown in relationships and the team. And ESF were behaving negatively towards Slayers.
Vague++
So, is it safe to say that at least, the main cause of this whole incident is caused by a combination of:
- Distrust - Lots of negative accusations - Lack of communication
This seems absolutely ridiculous. I do not care what happened at all. The fact that everyone has to explain themselves and reveal these stories is Jessica's fault. She has proven to be irrational when it comes to publicity. Recorded phone call? really? I want to say grow up but I guess its the difference in culture.... but the other Korean teams don't have blown up drama like this..... so maybe it isn't the culture......
Boxer shouldve found a real manager for this team from the get-go. It was beyond Jessica's capabilities. Hope MMA can find a new team and pick up where he left off- he was alot of fun to watch.
Jessica just seems to be one of those people who never in a million years can compromise and admit their own faults about anything. She would rather fight, fight, fight about petty issues even if it means everything gets destroyed. I've known people like that in real life and they're not pleasant to be around. I bet Boxer is cringing with embarrassment right now. I'm sure he personally would rather this was not happening. That's not to say that MMA, Crank and Alicia are saints- they made mistakes too, no doubt, but at some point Jessica has to realize that 'it takes two to tango' and that constantly escalating everything instead of trying to find solutions is not helpful, especially if you want to be a manager.
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer. Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I am not sure if it is a translation issue but I read it that company N and company S went to Boxer, as in these companies went to Boxer to negotiate, and Jessica was not involved in this issue at all. That is my reading of the English translation by the wording of it. I don't think she means that these two companies ended up sponsoring Boxer instead of MMA, which was their original intention. The wording is not clear.
It is possible to get clarification on this by checking Boxer's history of personal sponsors. These obviously should be public as sponsorship deals are by their very nature publicised. It should be possible to verify if Boxer was sponsored by N or S, presumably N or S are the first letters of companies names. Jessica makes it clear she was ignorant about these sponsorship negotiations and checked to see if Manager J had been involved in them. Apparently he was not, so Boxer must have been doing the negotiations.
On October 23 2012 16:07 revel8 wrote: If Crank wanted to leave to join a Foreign team to earn a salary, then why not be upfront about it? You cannot really be criticised for trying to get paid, when former team-mates such as Ganzi and Taeja have managed successful transfers. Crank had only won $200 or so before TB helped him get to MLG Raleigh. Obviously relying on tournament prize money to earn his fortune was not exactly working out for him.
Well, they were obviously not "equals" to speak freely about such matters. Ganzi and Taeja were either smarter/luckier, or maybe even braver. The whole thing sounds like a massive discrepancy between the expectations. Obviously both sides expected more/better from each other.
This drama is REALLY long and really hard for me to follow...
Is it possible for someone to summarize this WHOLE drama in one or two sentences? If so, can someone do that? Such as who is the biggest and main culprit, where everything started from?
If not then I can understand....no need to be sarcastic, because I am sure a lot of people can't follow this whole drama.
No. The only way people can summarise the entire thing in a couple of sentences is by being extremely biased or vague.
People did stupid stuff and were influenced negatively by people, there was a lot of distrust and bad communication between people which led to a breakdown in relationships and the team. And ESF were behaving negatively towards Slayers.
Vague++
So, is it safe to say that at least, the main cause of this whole incident is caused by a combination of:
- Distrust - Lots of negative accusations - Lack of communication
?
Respectfully, if you want to know about these issues then you should take the time to read up about them, instead of asking for a summary.
On October 23 2012 16:07 revel8 wrote: If Crank wanted to leave to join a Foreign team to earn a salary, then why not be upfront about it? You cannot really be criticised for trying to get paid, when former team-mates such as Ganzi and Taeja have managed successful transfers. Crank had only won $200 or so before TB helped him get to MLG Raleigh. Obviously relying on tournament prize money to earn his fortune was not exactly working out for him.
Well, they were obviously not "equals" to speak freely about such matters. Ganzi and Taeja were either smarter/luckier, or maybe even braver. The whole thing sounds like a massive discrepancy between the expectations. Obviously both sides expected more/better from each other.
With Jessica's track record of letting Ganzi, Sleep, TaeJa and Golden leave without any problems and her shitstorm with Dragon, not a very smart move on Crank's part.
This drama is REALLY long and really hard for me to follow...
Is it possible for someone to summarize this WHOLE drama in one or two sentences? If so, can someone do that? Such as who is the biggest and main culprit, where everything started from?
If not then I can understand....no need to be sarcastic, because I am sure a lot of people can't follow this whole drama.
No. The only way people can summarise the entire thing in a couple of sentences is by being extremely biased or vague.
People did stupid stuff and were influenced negatively by people, there was a lot of distrust and bad communication between people which led to a breakdown in relationships and the team. And ESF were behaving negatively towards Slayers.
Vague++
So, is it safe to say that at least, the main cause of this whole incident is caused by a combination of:
- Distrust - Lots of negative accusations - Lack of communication
?
Pretty much. And without someone "outside" who is able to go and ask everyone what happened, like an official investigation that might occur elsewhere, we probably won't know exactly how things went down.
IMO it's mainly a case of people being in positions they shouldn't. No disrespect to Jessica, but did she get her job because she has experience running an SC2 team, or because she had some involvement through Boxer and was his fiance? I think part of the blame could be laid on the organisation of the team for not being well enough thought out in the first place, starting with a group of less experienced people in an organisation where they don't have a real plan (since planning abotu SC2 would be rather difficult when it started), and then trying to develop without a manager who has experience in the area.
Put any business in that position and it would probably fail as well.
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer.
Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
I believe what she meant to say is that those two personal sponsorships allegedly offered for MMA, and allegedly going to Boxer instead, was what Manager J had told the players (she heard about it only after MMA asked Boxer who then asked Jessica), and upon confirming with said companies, it was found out that they had never heard about this Manager J (who thus had lied about it).
On October 23 2012 16:23 revel8 wrote: Apparently he was not, so Boxer must have been doing the negotiations.
But how does that make sense? If Boxer was doing the negotiations for those sponsorship deals we're talking about, he would know about the deals, correct? If he knew about the deals, why would he need to go to Jessica to ask her about them at all? When MMA came to Boxer asking about the deals, Boxer could have just said "oh those deals? yeah I handled them and although they were offered to you I negotiated them to go to myself."
On October 23 2012 15:47 tubs wrote: The part of the translated article that really stood out to me was the question related to the "embezzlement" claims that Manager J accused Jessica of to MMA in private conversations:
"Q: What do you think of his comment that the individual sponsorship offer going to BoxeR instead? A: I definitely said that is not true. MMA indeed asked BoxeR about it and BoxeR then asked me. I was actually very sad when BoxeR asked me back then. I said, 'I know your [BoxeR] personality and why would I not tell you this.' What I later found out was that company N and company S offered sponsorships for MMA but they went to BoxeR instead. Sponsorship matters were dealt with by manager J, so I directly contacted related parties in those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was. Do other StarCraft 2 teams' players have the same questions and do managers answer them? I really do not understand this issue."
I'm confused trying to understand this though. From what I gather, Manager J accused Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money to MMA. MMA believes him so MMA asks Boxer if this is true. Boxer tells MMA that he will find out and goes and asks Jessica if it's true. From the first part of Jessica's answer up above, I think she's trying to say that her reaction to Boxer was sadness, asking why he would ask such a thing of her, since that's something she would tell him about and not hide from him?
After that Boxer goes to tell MMA that no there is no weirdness going on (from MMA's interview)
But Jessica then claims here that she "later found out" that two companies offered sponsorships for MMA but that somehow they ended up going to Boxer instead. The rest of her answer I couldn't understand what she was trying to say.
If that's true, that is a MASSIVE MISTAKE / OVERSIGHT on her part. She tells Boxer that no money or sponsorships have been diverted from MMA when in reality TWO sponsorships were "taken" from MMA and sent to Boxer.
If I was in MMA's shoes and found out about that... I would be incredibly pissed off. I would feel like I had been lied to, and I wouldn't trust anything my managers said to me any more.
Seriously, that is a HUGE goof up on Jessica's part for telling Boxer everything was fine before actually going and finding out what the hell was going on with their sponsorships first.
Yeah, I'm glad someone brought this up and I wish the interviewer did a follow up question.
MMA says a personal sponorship for him went to boxer.
Jessica admits company N and company S offered personal sponsorship for MMA, but it somehow ended up going to boxer. Then she goes off on a tangent asking if players should even ask managers these questions.
WTF?! Isn't Jessica admitting right there, that MMA was right and that a sponsorship for him did go to boxer? How did that happen? How could the interviewer overlook that statement and not ask a followup question and go, wtf didn't you just say a personal sponsorship for MMA never happened just a few sentences ago, but now you say it did in fact happen?
That's not what she said, at least you put it in a bad light without any context. At this time Manager J (who still was trusted by Jessica at this point) didn't say a thing about any sponsorship so Jessica thought no sponsorship was offered. That's why she answered Boxer this way. Then she found out that two companies were insterested in offering a sponsorship to MMA but went to Boxer instead, so she called those companies to know what the heck was going on with Manager J and stuff. Nobody knew about this J dude then shit happened. What she means i think is that she did all she could do to find out and that in any other team, the matter would have stayed to the "i don't give a shit about your sponsor, deal with it or shut up" stage without the manager wanting to go in further investigations.
That's what i understand from Jessica's interview.
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I remember when he used to eat fried chicken on his stream when he was trying to learn English.
