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On October 23 2012 06:22 magicmUnky wrote:Evidently the problem with Korean gaming houses... Got a problem? Don't talk about it... Brood on it for weeks until it becomes insurmountable! : D It is so disappointing that the childish actions of these players (and managers) has ruined a great gaming house 
Pretty much this.
I blame Korean culture.
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Jessica is just a cancer for eSports... She was ALWAYS bitching around when something happend in SlayerS
MMA gogo EG fighting, Boxer is nothing for sc2, he didn't reached anything but destroying his fame of SC:BW
-> Now hes a coach which is probably the best thing he can do in sc2
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The phone call is now translated! HERE!
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It's so hard to follow this drama with less-than-perfectly worded translations, (huge) differences in culture, and imperfect knowledge of what was said and done.
I'm fucking sick of this. It all seems to be coming down to massive clashes in personality and interests and breakdowns in communication. Jessica, MMA, Crank, Ryung, Alicia, the mysterious managers, they all seem to have a role to play... and honestly at the end of the day they all seem to share a bit of blame. I don't know how Korean culture works very well.
I'm now going to make a pact with myself that every time something new comes up in this drama I'll just watch a non-featured pro streamer instead of following it. This is just getting silly.
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On October 23 2012 19:30 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:36 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 18:20 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 pdd wrote:
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team? Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out. More professionals.... The team was well funded and was managed just fine until a bunch of people started to think too highly of themselves and too lowly of others. A bunch of people acting improfessional hurt the team and showed no respect to those they should respect. Seems most of the faults the management had were pointed out after everyone who is really at fault started to affect the team negatively. "All of a sudden, now that I think Jessica is shit even though she didn't do anything wrong (yet), I'm going to start saying that I don't appreciate the current team situation". Yes, Jessica did some shit wrong, but talking about business, she didn't do much wrong at all. As for management, she should have tried harder after the players destroyed the team, she could have saved it but her pride was too angry. Someone slap me in the face if I'm so wrong. In terms of business she failed completely. Slayers was in the strongest position out of any esports team. They had access to the Korean market as well as the foreign market. The team was immensely popular with foreigners after their visit to the US where MMA was winning tournaments and Boxer was making an impact. MMA was a GSL champion and the team won two GSTL titles. It is totally up to her to use all of these feats that no other team could boast to leverage a deal with either local or foreign sponsors. She has already admitted to her failures and her fault in the the team collapsing when hiring J to act on her behalf to secure sponsorships. It was her responsibility being at the top of management to secure the teams long term survival. Even if every GSL champion was on a single team, if all of those players decide to kill your team from the inside out, there is nothing any manager can do to stop it. You can't play that card. MMA was awesome, sure, but he also was a huge part of destroying the team. Jessica helped out J and J fucked her over. The same happens to many businesses, but the only businesses that end up falling in the end are the ones who's employees are poorly influenced to the person they are not supposed to listen to and decide to help destroy the team using the lies as their foundation. SlayerS was in such a good position because BoxeR helped shape the team to their awesomeness and provided them with their funding, and Jessica assisted in all of that as well.
If MMA had such a detrimental impact on the team Jessica should have removed him from the get go. Yes it reduces the teams 'star power' but at least there is still a team. The manager always has the power to shape the organisation as they control their assets. If MMA or any other player for that matter is affecting the team adversely and wants to leave she should have shown him the door instead of trying to milk an exorbitant transfer fee that was totally unprecedented at the time and quite frankly unreasonable.
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It's interesting that according to Jessica, MMA had an opportunity to leave the team "cleanly" (when Ganzi and Taeja left). His stock was still very high at that point that it would be the easiest thing in the world to find a new team that would take him in and pay him more. If the only thing he wanted was to get out, why would he choose to stay?
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Just a little more, Jessica. You almost killed it.
It's just getting worse and worse, Poor BoxeR T.T.
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On October 23 2012 19:46 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 06:22 magicmUnky wrote:Evidently the problem with Korean gaming houses... Got a problem? Don't talk about it... Brood on it for weeks until it becomes insurmountable! : D It is so disappointing that the childish actions of these players (and managers) has ruined a great gaming house Pretty much this. I blame Korean culture.
Dont blame the culture ... blame the individuals and especially the ones "in power" and with the job to "change and fix the bad things" ... i.e. the management who should be constantly caring for their assets (the players and the sponsors) and their problems and wishes. You cant expect such a complex thing to keep on working without maintenance.
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On October 23 2012 19:48 frezMki wrote:
Jessica is just a cancer for eSports... She was ALWAYS bitching around when something happend in SlayerS
MMA gogo EG fighting, Boxer is nothing for sc2, he didn't reached anything but destroying his fame of SC:BW
-> Now hes a coach which is probably the best thing he can do in sc2
MMA destroyed SlayerS by being an ignorant kid. Jessica failed to revive the team because her pride was too stronk.
Thus you support MMA, diss BoxeR, and call Jessica a cancer...
If someone screws with your team, you do your research and do everything in your power to give yourself the advantage. That's what Jessica did, but her style was more to prove the other guy wrong moreso than to prove herself right, which is why she seems like she's bitching. If she did the same things she did before but with a different style, she would have handled each situation pretty much as well as possible.
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On October 23 2012 19:23 betamale wrote:
thug MMA and his group of thugs?
that phone call looks worse for MMA than it does for crank
Exactly what I thought.
I don't really understand why Jessica is so mad about Crank. If anything, he seems immature.
MMA, on the other hand, comes out really bad in the phone call.
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Gosh! I always have my full respect for Boxer but this phone conversation just enhance it even further. No wonder he is the icon for Korean e-Sports.
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On October 23 2012 19:55 Talin wrote:
It's interesting that according to Jessica, MMA had an opportunity to leave the team "cleanly" (when Ganzi and Taeja left). His stock was still very high at that point that it would be the easiest thing in the world to find a new team that would take him in and pay him more. If the only thing he wanted was to get out, why would he choose to stay?
I think he had no intention of leaving at that point as he felt he had an obligation to Jessica and Boxer for all they had done for him. After things escalated to where Boxer was calling him the cancer of the team he wanted out. But:
"About this statement, I am very sorry. The slavery contract was the contract between the individuals of the management and me, not between the team and me, so even if I transferred, I had to give a portion of the tournament winnings to Jessica. There was silence for 10 minutes and boxer said ‘we do things our way’ and the conversation ended. The next day, the article regarding relegation came out."
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On October 23 2012 19:54 jworld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 19:30 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 18:36 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 18:20 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:On October 23 2012 13:41 pdd wrote:
Why do both sides need to blame each other just to determine who was at fault for what is essentially a disbanded team? Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out. More professionals.... The team was well funded and was managed just fine until a bunch of people started to think too highly of themselves and too lowly of others. A bunch of people acting improfessional hurt the team and showed no respect to those they should respect. Seems most of the faults the management had were pointed out after everyone who is really at fault started to affect the team negatively. "All of a sudden, now that I think Jessica is shit even though she didn't do anything wrong (yet), I'm going to start saying that I don't appreciate the current team situation". Yes, Jessica did some shit wrong, but talking about business, she didn't do much wrong at all. As for management, she should have tried harder after the players destroyed the team, she could have saved it but her pride was too angry. Someone slap me in the face if I'm so wrong. In terms of business she failed completely. Slayers was in the strongest position out of any esports team. They had access to the Korean market as well as the foreign market. The team was immensely popular with foreigners after their visit to the US where MMA was winning tournaments and Boxer was making an impact. MMA was a GSL champion and the team won two GSTL titles. It is totally up to her to use all of these feats that no other team could boast to leverage a deal with either local or foreign sponsors. She has already admitted to her failures and her fault in the the team collapsing when hiring J to act on her behalf to secure sponsorships. It was her responsibility being at the top of management to secure the teams long term survival. Even if every GSL champion was on a single team, if all of those players decide to kill your team from the inside out, there is nothing any manager can do to stop it. You can't play that card. MMA was awesome, sure, but he also was a huge part of destroying the team. Jessica helped out J and J fucked her over. The same happens to many businesses, but the only businesses that end up falling in the end are the ones who's employees are poorly influenced to the person they are not supposed to listen to and decide to help destroy the team using the lies as their foundation. SlayerS was in such a good position because BoxeR helped shape the team to their awesomeness and provided them with their funding, and Jessica assisted in all of that as well. If MMA had such a detrimental impact on the team Jessica should have removed him from the get go. Yes it reduces the teams 'star power' but at least there is still a team. The manager always has the power to shape the organisation as they control their assets. If MMA or any other player for that matter is affecting the team adversely and wants to leave she should have shown him the door instead of trying to milk an exorbitant transfer fee that was totally unprecedented at the time and quite frankly unreasonable.
They are family in the team house...
1) She couldn't just remove MMA when he started to show misconduct... It wouldn't be a viable option, and it would be an inexcusable mistake that would kill SlayerS image.
2) MMA started to show misconduct around the same time if not after he gathered the other teammates under his misconceptions and lies. If she kicked MMA out, Ryung and Alicia would also be ousted and SlayerS would be hurting so incredibly much. The sponsors of SlayerS would lose faith, and back out of their investment. SlayerS would be restarting from scratch with no real sponsors, and would be paying everything out of pocket.
3) The transfer fee was only implemented to make sure he wasn't traded to certain orgas. She was manipulated where he would be traded to before MMA went further to ruin them. There were also transfer fee free contracts that weren't pursued, so it's hard to play that card...
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I can't help but think most of what jessica says is bullshit. She has created tons of drama in the past and wasn't the most credible person either leading me to believe my previous statement. The one that is constantly surrounded by drama is almost always the one that creates it. Now it just seems like jessica is just trying to save face and cover up with lies.
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i gona need slush again to understand this T_T
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Wtf is wrong with Jessica...
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After reading the phone call transcription I can only say: POOR CRANK ... stupid Boxer and Jessica. Blaming the player for other players leaving and not seeing your own responsibility as a manager to change and check up really gives those two the full blame for the escalation IMO. Some misunderstandings might occur everywhere, but the whole "Crank leaves for home" was only the icing on the cake in that situation.
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On October 23 2012 20:03 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 19:54 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 19:30 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 18:36 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 18:20 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 14:03 jworld wrote:On October 23 2012 13:57 Shinta) wrote:On October 23 2012 13:48 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On October 23 2012 13:46 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 23 2012 13:43 Canucklehead wrote:
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Because Jessica always needs to get in the last word because she is never wrong or at fault and the world is out to get her. Because Jessica people need to get in the last word because she they is are never wrong and the world is out to get her them. Your correction isn't true in the fact that everyone that has come forward and spoken has apologized about their part in the whole mess EXCEPT Jessica. Hell, MC was dragged into it and he eventually apologized and left it at that. Jessica sees people doing stuff wrong and points them out, so they have to apologize. That's both to save face and to exploit people's idiocy. MC talking like that will not work well for him in Korea, or anywhere really... People leaving the team due to injury then immediately searching for a new team get bad reputations because their actions are sneaky and shorthanded. Jessica has done stuff wrong, but most of it has been mere word slip-ups where solid evidence can back her up so that she's not in the wrong in the end. She's protected herself, most, her team after that, and she's gone at other's necks the least (of those 3, though she has done it). Not going to say Jessica is the bestest person in the whole world, but eSports has too many kids, and not enough people like Jessica, so there is no balance. There is no professionalism, just a bunch of kids running around doing whatever they want. Although I don't fully support Jessica, it's more people like Jessica that are needed to make the Korean eSports scene a little more like the old BW scene (better, although it did have it's problems, it at least was legitimate for the most part). More people that have zero business and management experience? More people that can't take responsibility for their own shortcomings and take no blame and instead put it on everyone else? What this scene needs is people that know how to run a successful business organisation that won't get sick of all the nonsense that goes on and get the hell out. More professionals.... The team was well funded and was managed just fine until a bunch of people started to think too highly of themselves and too lowly of others. A bunch of people acting improfessional hurt the team and showed no respect to those they should respect. Seems most of the faults the management had were pointed out after everyone who is really at fault started to affect the team negatively. "All of a sudden, now that I think Jessica is shit even though she didn't do anything wrong (yet), I'm going to start saying that I don't appreciate the current team situation". Yes, Jessica did some shit wrong, but talking about business, she didn't do much wrong at all. As for management, she should have tried harder after the players destroyed the team, she could have saved it but her pride was too angry. Someone slap me in the face if I'm so wrong. In terms of business she failed completely. Slayers was in the strongest position out of any esports team. They had access to the Korean market as well as the foreign market. The team was immensely popular with foreigners after their visit to the US where MMA was winning tournaments and Boxer was making an impact. MMA was a GSL champion and the team won two GSTL titles. It is totally up to her to use all of these feats that no other team could boast to leverage a deal with either local or foreign sponsors. She has already admitted to her failures and her fault in the the team collapsing when hiring J to act on her behalf to secure sponsorships. It was her responsibility being at the top of management to secure the teams long term survival. Even if every GSL champion was on a single team, if all of those players decide to kill your team from the inside out, there is nothing any manager can do to stop it. You can't play that card. MMA was awesome, sure, but he also was a huge part of destroying the team. Jessica helped out J and J fucked her over. The same happens to many businesses, but the only businesses that end up falling in the end are the ones who's employees are poorly influenced to the person they are not supposed to listen to and decide to help destroy the team using the lies as their foundation. SlayerS was in such a good position because BoxeR helped shape the team to their awesomeness and provided them with their funding, and Jessica assisted in all of that as well. If MMA had such a detrimental impact on the team Jessica should have removed him from the get go. Yes it reduces the teams 'star power' but at least there is still a team. The manager always has the power to shape the organisation as they control their assets. If MMA or any other player for that matter is affecting the team adversely and wants to leave she should have shown him the door instead of trying to milk an exorbitant transfer fee that was totally unprecedented at the time and quite frankly unreasonable. They are family in the team house... 1) She couldn't just remove MMA when he started to show misconduct... It wouldn't be a viable option, and it would be an inexcusable mistake that would kill SlayerS image. 2) MMA started to show misconduct around the same time if not after he gathered the other teammates under his misconceptions and lies. If she kicked MMA out, Ryung and Alicia would also be ousted and SlayerS would be hurting so incredibly much. The sponsors of SlayerS would lose faith, and back out of their investment. SlayerS would be restarting from scratch with no real sponsors, and would be paying everything out of pocket. 3) The transfer fee was only implemented to make sure he wasn't traded to certain orgas. She was manipulated where he would be traded to before MMA went further to ruin them. There were also transfer fee free contracts that weren't pursued, so it's hard to play that card...
It's business not a family. This is where cultural differences come in. She had a responsibility to the rest of the team not to take care of her 'son'. Saying that he would have taken the others with him at this point in time is a dubious statement considering the whole ruckus was over MMA being unsatisfied at being denied sponsors that never existed which is easy enough to prove. Slayers didn't even have any sponsors at this time according to Jessica and were being funded by her goodwill and Boxer's personal sponsorship.
Sorry for arguing over trivial sentiments but it's late in the evening and I've had a few beers.
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Can somebody explain to me what exactly MMA has done wrong? I mean, in detail, what he really did wrong and not just saying that he acted immature or he was stupid.
From what I´ve read I can understand why MMA acted the way he did.
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On October 23 2012 20:13 Rabiator wrote:
After reading the phone call transcription I can only say: POOR CRANK ... stupid Boxer and Jessica. Blaming the player for other players leaving and not seeing your own responsibility as a manager to change and check up really gives those two the full blame for the escalation IMO. Some misunderstandings might occur everywhere, but the whole "Crank leaves for home" was only the icing on the cake in that situation.
I don't think Boxer did anything wrong nor did he blamed Crank. He is just asking him to leave in good terms, and not leave the team by lying. I don't see him doing anything wrong. He just wanted to ask Crank to come out, have a good talk and let him leave at good terms, and maybe just meet up for chit chatting session in the near future. I have no idea why Crank keep on insist on the phrase "Are you putting all the blame on me", its like he is trying to trick Boxer to say something wrong.
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