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humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
October 23 2012 11:19 GMT
#1481
And Jessica thinks this phone call makes her look good? Confused.
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
October 23 2012 11:20 GMT
#1482
i still have no idea what is Crank role except leaving the team house by telling Cella
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 11:27:39
October 23 2012 11:22 GMT
#1483
On October 23 2012 20:02 jworld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 19:55 Talin wrote:
It's interesting that according to Jessica, MMA had an opportunity to leave the team "cleanly" (when Ganzi and Taeja left). His stock was still very high at that point that it would be the easiest thing in the world to find a new team that would take him in and pay him more. If the only thing he wanted was to get out, why would he choose to stay?

I think he had no intention of leaving at that point as he felt he had an obligation to Jessica and Boxer for all they had done for him. After things escalated to where Boxer was calling him the cancer of the team he wanted out. But:

"About this statement, I am very sorry. The slavery contract was the contract between the individuals of the management and me, not between the team and me, so even if I transferred, I had to give a portion of the tournament winnings to Jessica. There was silence for 10 minutes and boxer said ‘we do things our way’ and the conversation ended. The next day, the article regarding relegation came out."


That contract is also really dodgy. It seems to be a contract between him and Jessica personally (as his agent of sorts), that really doesn't have anything to do with Slayers or a team in general. Jessica's own description of how the contract works pretty much confirms this as well.

Either way, to her credit Jessica did offer a way out of the contract. But the fact that MMA and others chose to stay at that point is not consistent with the image of a manipulating, money-grabbing, team-ditching bastards that Jessica now tries to portray them (and MMA in particular) as. His personality couldn't have changed so abruptly in a few months.

It's ironic that the players that actually stuck with the team until everything fell apart are now the scapegoats, even though pretty much every A teamer / talented player Slayers ever had wanted to leave or already left the team. The theory that MMA somehow poisoned all of them and was poisoning the team for almost a year, but still chose to stay on the team himself when he didn't have to (and certainly didn't need to), is simply not believable.
toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
October 23 2012 11:26 GMT
#1484
That's her evidence? Her ace up her sleeve?

The one that she threatened to release on crank? It makes her look more like a bitch more than anything.
NEWB?!
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
October 23 2012 11:28 GMT
#1485
...and that is why you separate personal life from work.
gamerfan
Profile Joined October 2012
17 Posts
October 23 2012 11:31 GMT
#1486
On October 23 2012 20:22 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 20:02 jworld wrote:
On October 23 2012 19:55 Talin wrote:
It's interesting that according to Jessica, MMA had an opportunity to leave the team "cleanly" (when Ganzi and Taeja left). His stock was still very high at that point that it would be the easiest thing in the world to find a new team that would take him in and pay him more. If the only thing he wanted was to get out, why would he choose to stay?

I think he had no intention of leaving at that point as he felt he had an obligation to Jessica and Boxer for all they had done for him. After things escalated to where Boxer was calling him the cancer of the team he wanted out. But:

"About this statement, I am very sorry. The slavery contract was the contract between the individuals of the management and me, not between the team and me, so even if I transferred, I had to give a portion of the tournament winnings to Jessica. There was silence for 10 minutes and boxer said ‘we do things our way’ and the conversation ended. The next day, the article regarding relegation came out."


That contract is also really dodgy. It seems to be a contract between him and Jessica personally (as his agent of sorts), that really doesn't have anything to do with Slayers or a team in general. Jessica's own description of how the contract works pretty much confirms this as well.

Either way, to her credit Jessica did offer a way out of the contract. But the fact that MMA and others chose to stay at that point is not consistent with the image of a manipulating, money-grabbing, team-ditching bastards that Jessica now tries to portray them (and MMA in particular) as. His personality couldn't have changed so abruptly in a few months.

It's ironic that the players that actually stuck with the team until everything fell apart are now the scapegoats, even though pretty much every A teamer / talented player Slayers ever had wanted to leave or already left the team. The theory that MMA somehow poisoned all of them and was poisoning the team for almost a year, but still chose to stay on the team himself when he didn't have to (and certainly didn't need to), is simply not believable.


Them wanting to stay doesnt mean they was sticking with the team. It could also mean the contracts they were offer from other teams was enough for their greedy asses. So they stay to kill off the team so they can look for a better offer from other teams.
yOngKIN
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (North)656 Posts
October 23 2012 11:32 GMT
#1487
looks like im late for popcorn time...
this is really getting nasty
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
October 23 2012 11:33 GMT
#1488
On October 23 2012 19:56 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 19:48 frezMki wrote:
Jessica is just a cancer for eSports... She was ALWAYS bitching around when something happend in SlayerS

MMA gogo EG fighting, Boxer is nothing for sc2, he didn't reached anything but destroying his fame of SC:BW

-> Now hes a coach which is probably the best thing he can do in sc2


MMA destroyed SlayerS by being an ignorant kid. Jessica failed to revive the team because her pride was too stronk.

Thus you support MMA, diss BoxeR, and call Jessica a cancer...

If someone screws with your team, you do your research and do everything in your power to give yourself the advantage. That's what Jessica did, but her style was more to prove the other guy wrong moreso than to prove herself right, which is why she seems like she's bitching. If she did the same things she did before but with a different style, she would have handled each situation pretty much as well as possible.

This^

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Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
October 23 2012 11:38 GMT
#1489
On October 23 2012 20:22 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 20:02 jworld wrote:
On October 23 2012 19:55 Talin wrote:
It's interesting that according to Jessica, MMA had an opportunity to leave the team "cleanly" (when Ganzi and Taeja left). His stock was still very high at that point that it would be the easiest thing in the world to find a new team that would take him in and pay him more. If the only thing he wanted was to get out, why would he choose to stay?

I think he had no intention of leaving at that point as he felt he had an obligation to Jessica and Boxer for all they had done for him. After things escalated to where Boxer was calling him the cancer of the team he wanted out. But:

"About this statement, I am very sorry. The slavery contract was the contract between the individuals of the management and me, not between the team and me, so even if I transferred, I had to give a portion of the tournament winnings to Jessica. There was silence for 10 minutes and boxer said ‘we do things our way’ and the conversation ended. The next day, the article regarding relegation came out."


That contract is also really dodgy. It seems to be a contract between him and Jessica personally (as his agent of sorts), that really doesn't have anything to do with Slayers or a team in general. Jessica's own description of how the contract works pretty much confirms this as well.

Either way, to her credit Jessica did offer a way out of the contract. But the fact that MMA and others chose to stay at that point is not consistent with the image of a manipulating, money-grabbing, team-ditching bastards that Jessica now tries to portray them (and MMA in particular) as. His personality couldn't have changed so abruptly in a few months.

It's ironic that the players that actually stuck with the team until everything fell apart are now the scapegoats, even though pretty much every A teamer / talented player Slayers ever had wanted to leave or already left the team. The theory that MMA somehow poisoned all of them and was poisoning the team for almost a year, but still chose to stay on the team himself when he didn't have to (and certainly didn't need to), is simply not believable.


Well said and i agree 100%
YyapSsap
Profile Joined September 2010
New Zealand1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 11:39:48
October 23 2012 11:38 GMT
#1490
Although Jessica does seem incompetent at managing a "proteam" which isn't far too surprising given her lack of experience but one can get a feeling that she tried her best in "her" way. Whether or not it was the best way is debatable (I think she did a poor job but thats my opinion) but fact is that she did it for the players not for money which is the key point. The kind of support she gave to her players (transports/food/money/accodomation etc looks alot better than a well financially supported KeSPA teams).

But more importantly, I cant believe how spoiled Crank and the rest of the players are. Unbelievably immature.. To put it into perspective, most of there whining is literally along the lines of a kid asking his Father?Mother why they dont play with them during the day time when we all know they are working to feed the family.

dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
October 23 2012 11:39 GMT
#1491
On October 23 2012 19:49 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
The phone call is now translated! HERE!


Wow.... Boxer does not come off well. Its almost like his GF is out to get him.

Listen kids, I know its a hard lesson to learn, we all loved Boxer and though he personified something special.

But he's a human being like everyone else.

He has an ugly side, growing up is realizing that no one is the hero they make themselves out to be.

Being the best at SC doesn't make you a great man.

This is just getting too ugly. Some of these people need to have their heads checked.

They are making Jersey shore look sophisticated.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
October 23 2012 11:41 GMT
#1492
On October 23 2012 20:38 YyapSsap wrote:
Although Jessica does seem incompetent at managing a "proteam" which isn't far too surprising given her lack of experience but one can get a feeling that she tried her best in "her" way. Whether or not it was the best way is debatable (I think she did a poor job but thats my opinion) but fact is that she did it for the players not for money which is the key point. The kind of support she gave to her players (transports/food/money/accodomation etc looks alot better than a well financially supported KeSPA teams).

But more importantly, I cant believe how spoiled Crank and the rest of the players are. Unbelievably immature.. To put it into perspective, most of there whining is literally along the lines of a kid asking his Father?Mother why they dont play with them during the day time when we all know they are working to feed the family.



You call them spoiled kids but what do you really know about the conditions, their contracts, their salaries, and their working schedules?
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 23 2012 11:41 GMT
#1493
On October 23 2012 18:39 thepuppyassassin wrote:
I completely believe the part about ripping up the contracts. Korean women have a tendency towards the melodramatic. If you're Korean you know what I'm talking about.. such a Korean thing to do.

Not any more than women (or men, for that matter) elsewhere. At least it's rare for a Korean woman to carry a gun.

How about a nice Oklahoma lady like this -> http://www.cbs.com/shows/48_hours/video/2285263741/my-dad-s-killer XD
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
October 23 2012 11:42 GMT
#1494
Q: MMA also expressed his opinions on his demotion to the B-team.

A: When I came looking for him on Saturday, he went out. I talked with Ryung on Sunday at noon, and he said MMA wasn't at the house on Sunday. He sent me a message through BoxeR that he did not want to participate in GSTL. So I intentionally sent him to GSTL. During this time he wasn't even practicing for individual leagues.

Players like Alicia and MMA told me that they did not participate in team matches. Alicia's reason was that he did not like losing. He said he didn't like the pressure. I think it was the last season when MMA didn't appear [in GSTL] for a while as well


I think GOM should consider hiding losses for Alicia
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 11:45:51
October 23 2012 11:43 GMT
#1495
Q: Is there anything else you wish to say?
A: I am really tired now. The essence is that this is who I am. Even if one is a sworn enemy, I do not abandon him or her if one accepts his or her mistake. I would even forgive him or her. But not like this interview. It only reveals deeper truth. There are still more to be revealed than what was already revealed. I didn't reveal everything and showed only this much because I was afraid that remaining fans will leave the scene when more is revealed. If you have no evidence to back your claims, accept your mistakes and apologize. Then I will forget everything and forgive you.

Jessica is pretty damn magnanimous. She even said she'd forgive them despite all the trouble they caused. I really don't know why you are all hating on her. She is handling what is a really tricky situation with dignity and poise. Hats off to her for being the bigger person. I hope she get's another coaching position on another team. I think we should remember her team's successes in the GTSL under her stewardship, not to mention some strong individual performances.

TL;Dr - A few bad apples upsetting the cart. Jessica is blameless.
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.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
October 23 2012 11:45 GMT
#1496
On October 23 2012 20:39 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 19:49 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
The phone call is now translated! HERE!


Wow.... Boxer does not come off well. Its almost like his GF is out to get him.

Listen kids, I know its a hard lesson to learn, we all loved Boxer and though he personified something special.

But he's a human being like everyone else.

He has an ugly side, growing up is realizing that no one is the hero they make themselves out to be.

Being the best at SC doesn't make you a great man.

This is just getting too ugly. Some of these people need to have their heads checked.

They are making Jersey shore look sophisticated.

Did I miss something...I thought he was professional in the call
Ameisenmann
Profile Joined April 2012
Albania296 Posts
October 23 2012 11:45 GMT
#1497
On October 23 2012 20:39 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 19:49 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
The phone call is now translated! HERE!


Wow.... Boxer does not come off well. Its almost like his GF is out to get him.

Listen kids, I know its a hard lesson to learn, we all loved Boxer and though he personified something special.

But he's a human being like everyone else.

He has an ugly side, growing up is realizing that no one is the hero they make themselves out to be.

Being the best at SC doesn't make you a great man.

This is just getting too ugly. Some of these people need to have their heads checked.

They are making Jersey shore look sophisticated.

Talk about exaggerating... I don't know what you read there that makes you feel like boxer can't be a great man anymore now and they are even below something like jersey shore (!)...
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
October 23 2012 11:45 GMT
#1498
On October 23 2012 20:31 gamerfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 20:22 Talin wrote:
On October 23 2012 20:02 jworld wrote:
On October 23 2012 19:55 Talin wrote:
It's interesting that according to Jessica, MMA had an opportunity to leave the team "cleanly" (when Ganzi and Taeja left). His stock was still very high at that point that it would be the easiest thing in the world to find a new team that would take him in and pay him more. If the only thing he wanted was to get out, why would he choose to stay?

I think he had no intention of leaving at that point as he felt he had an obligation to Jessica and Boxer for all they had done for him. After things escalated to where Boxer was calling him the cancer of the team he wanted out. But:

"About this statement, I am very sorry. The slavery contract was the contract between the individuals of the management and me, not between the team and me, so even if I transferred, I had to give a portion of the tournament winnings to Jessica. There was silence for 10 minutes and boxer said ‘we do things our way’ and the conversation ended. The next day, the article regarding relegation came out."


That contract is also really dodgy. It seems to be a contract between him and Jessica personally (as his agent of sorts), that really doesn't have anything to do with Slayers or a team in general. Jessica's own description of how the contract works pretty much confirms this as well.

Either way, to her credit Jessica did offer a way out of the contract. But the fact that MMA and others chose to stay at that point is not consistent with the image of a manipulating, money-grabbing, team-ditching bastards that Jessica now tries to portray them (and MMA in particular) as. His personality couldn't have changed so abruptly in a few months.

It's ironic that the players that actually stuck with the team until everything fell apart are now the scapegoats, even though pretty much every A teamer / talented player Slayers ever had wanted to leave or already left the team. The theory that MMA somehow poisoned all of them and was poisoning the team for almost a year, but still chose to stay on the team himself when he didn't have to (and certainly didn't need to), is simply not believable.


Them wanting to stay doesnt mean they was sticking with the team. It could also mean the contracts they were offer from other teams was enough for their greedy asses. So they stay to kill off the team so they can look for a better offer from other teams.

I don't see how getting yourself into a shitty practice atmosphere and poor results would help get them a better contract than when they were (MMA at least) were coming off good results in early 2012. Also how does killing off your own team help you get a better offer from other teams, especially when you know that KeSPA is moving into SC2 in late 2012?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
gamerfan
Profile Joined October 2012
17 Posts
October 23 2012 11:47 GMT
#1499
On October 23 2012 20:41 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 20:38 YyapSsap wrote:
Although Jessica does seem incompetent at managing a "proteam" which isn't far too surprising given her lack of experience but one can get a feeling that she tried her best in "her" way. Whether or not it was the best way is debatable (I think she did a poor job but thats my opinion) but fact is that she did it for the players not for money which is the key point. The kind of support she gave to her players (transports/food/money/accodomation etc looks alot better than a well financially supported KeSPA teams).

But more importantly, I cant believe how spoiled Crank and the rest of the players are. Unbelievably immature.. To put it into perspective, most of there whining is literally along the lines of a kid asking his Father?Mother why they dont play with them during the day time when we all know they are working to feed the family.



You call them spoiled kids but what do you really know about the conditions, their contracts, their salaries, and their working schedules?



The condition was what it was because these spoiled "kids" (even though they're grown ass men) make it that way. Contract/salaries/working schedules is what it is when you sign on that signature line. They are grownups, maybe they should take responsible for what they commit to instead of bitching and causing trouble so they can get out of their contract.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
October 23 2012 11:47 GMT
#1500
On October 23 2012 20:43 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
Q: Is there anything else you wish to say?
A: I am really tired now. The essence is that this is who I am. Even if one is a sworn enemy, I do not abandon him or her if one accepts his or her mistake. I would even forgive him or her. But not like this interview. It only reveals deeper truth. There are still more to be revealed than what was already revealed. I didn't reveal everything and showed only this much because I was afraid that remaining fans will leave the scene when more is revealed. If you have no evidence to back your claims, accept your mistakes and apologize. Then I will forget everything and forgive you.

Jessica is pretty damn magnanimous. She even said she'd forgive them despite all the trouble they caused. I really don't know why you are all hating on her. She is handling what is a really tricky situation with dignity and poise. Hats off to her for being the bigger person. I hope she get's another coaching position on another team. I think we should remember her team's successes in the GTSL under her stewardship - not to mention some strong individual performances.

TL;Dr - A few bad apples upsetting the cart. Jessica is blameless.


Yeah sure. "Say Im right and you are wrong, and i will forgive you" "Btw, there is more to be revealed but im not revealing it... yet." She is a saint!
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