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iNcontroL
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On October 09 2013 04:03 -Kaiser- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 03:24 iNcontroL wrote:On October 09 2013 02:45 -Kaiser- wrote:
Tasteless has been casting professionally in Korea for 6 years. I'd fucking hope that he's getting paid pretty decent money, people are talking like they're getting sudden windfalls of money for being popular. That might have been the case for someone like...Husky for example (TB as well, but TB does a lot more work with other shit).
But the casters who are making money are people who have been working in the scene and doing that shit on some level for over half a decade at least, and have been in the scene for the decade. All the power in the world to casters who are making the type of wage you should expect for a 5-year professional broadcaster, and tough fucking luck to the hundreds of non-superstar pros who thought that playing a video game professionally was going to be a consistent and viable career.
Of course Day9 makes good money. Is it maybe a little dishonest that he asks for donations? Up to you, but it's your fucking money to do what you want with it. It would be stupid of you to think that Sean acts like that everywhere. 'Day9' is a professional persona, just like 'Tasteless' is, just like 'Artosis' is. Stephen Colbert isn't really a republican, guys. No, they're not totally fucking different in real life, but they're professionals. You don't have to look very far to see what happens to people who don't understand how to present themselves professionally. Greg Fields lost his job because he was IdrA in too many places other than on camera. InControl has multiple personality disorder and doesn't know if he wants to be professional or not. These people [casters] are finding success in the scene because they know how to market themselves, they've worked hard to get there, and as far as the divide between casters and players, they worked hard at something that was going to pay the fucking bills.
In any other niche (sports, news, whatever), broadcasters that draw the type of audience that people like TB, Tastosis, Apollo, Day9, etc. would be making seven figure wages a year. It's not a fucking travesty that they're able to pull a six-figure professional's wage considering that it's a group of a dozen people that represent the entire god damn scene.
EDIT: Also TB pls go on Retsupurae more <3 I don't know if I want to be a professional or not? What? LOL Yes. You swing between extremes pretty hard. I can watch you casting Dreamhack or whatever in a suit and acting like a stand-up guy, and then go to the forums and you're in a retarded flamewar with someone acting like a jackass. You're famously really terrible at your own personal PR so to speak. You can be a great ambassador for eSports in front of the camera and do a lot of great things behind the scene Monday Wednesday Friday. but Tuesday Thursday you can be completely juvenile on an informal stream or something. TB sort of has the same issue where he can't help but chime in on anything that mentions, but personality wise he still acts like more or the less the same brit, so there's not really a disconnect between what's "actively presented" and how he acts otherwise (otherwise being shit like forums and chats, etc). You come off as a professional when you're getting paid and a frat boy when you're not. EDIT: The reason this is relevant at all is because the problem that's happened with Sons of Starcraft is that a bunch of professional people hyped it up and asked for people to pay for it, but it's been handled unprofessionally since the kickstarter. There's a big gap between how professional our eSports ambassadors are presented, and whether or not they can be trusted to behave and handle things professionally outside of their sponsored appearances.
None of what you said has anything to do with "not knowing whether I want to be a professional or not"
I engage in dumb conversations (like this one) because unfortunately I was never trained to tune out human beings and ignore them entirely. I read, hear and respond to people more than a person in my position should but that has absolutely nothing to do with my status as a "professional" lol.
"famously bad PR" ??? Not to toot my own horn here but uh... my PR is actually pretty fantastic by eSports standards I'd say lol.
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On October 09 2013 04:03 -Kaiser- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 03:24 iNcontroL wrote:On October 09 2013 02:45 -Kaiser- wrote:
Tasteless has been casting professionally in Korea for 6 years. I'd fucking hope that he's getting paid pretty decent money, people are talking like they're getting sudden windfalls of money for being popular. That might have been the case for someone like...Husky for example (TB as well, but TB does a lot more work with other shit).
But the casters who are making money are people who have been working in the scene and doing that shit on some level for over half a decade at least, and have been in the scene for the decade. All the power in the world to casters who are making the type of wage you should expect for a 5-year professional broadcaster, and tough fucking luck to the hundreds of non-superstar pros who thought that playing a video game professionally was going to be a consistent and viable career.
Of course Day9 makes good money. Is it maybe a little dishonest that he asks for donations? Up to you, but it's your fucking money to do what you want with it. It would be stupid of you to think that Sean acts like that everywhere. 'Day9' is a professional persona, just like 'Tasteless' is, just like 'Artosis' is. Stephen Colbert isn't really a republican, guys. No, they're not totally fucking different in real life, but they're professionals. You don't have to look very far to see what happens to people who don't understand how to present themselves professionally. Greg Fields lost his job because he was IdrA in too many places other than on camera. InControl has multiple personality disorder and doesn't know if he wants to be professional or not. These people [casters] are finding success in the scene because they know how to market themselves, they've worked hard to get there, and as far as the divide between casters and players, they worked hard at something that was going to pay the fucking bills.
In any other niche (sports, news, whatever), broadcasters that draw the type of audience that people like TB, Tastosis, Apollo, Day9, etc. would be making seven figure wages a year. It's not a fucking travesty that they're able to pull a six-figure professional's wage considering that it's a group of a dozen people that represent the entire god damn scene.
EDIT: Also TB pls go on Retsupurae more <3 I don't know if I want to be a professional or not? What? LOL Yes. You swing between extremes pretty hard. I can watch you casting Dreamhack or whatever in a suit and acting like a stand-up guy, and then go to the forums and you're in a retarded flamewar with someone acting like a jackass. You're famously really terrible at your own personal PR so to speak. You can be a great ambassador for eSports in front of the camera and do a lot of great things behind the scene Monday Wednesday Friday. but Tuesday Thursday you can be completely juvenile on an informal stream or something. TB sort of has the same issue where he can't help but chime in on anything that mentions, but personality wise he still acts like more or the less the same brit, so there's not really a disconnect between what's "actively presented" and how he acts otherwise (otherwise being shit like forums and chats, etc). You come off as a professional when you're getting paid and a frat boy when you're not. EDIT: The reason this is relevant at all is because the problem that's happened with Sons of Starcraft is that a bunch of professional people hyped it up and asked for people to pay for it, but it's been handled unprofessionally since the kickstarter. There's a big gap between how professional our eSports ambassadors are presented, and whether or not they can be trusted to behave and handle things professionally outside of their sponsored appearances.
You just told someone they have multiple personality disorder, because they behave differently on camera (with thousands of people watching them) than they do most of the time.
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Everyone is like that. Everyone. Some people the difference is more noticeable than others, sure. But that doesn't mean you should accuse someone of something like that. It only serves to, at least partially, de-value your own opinion.
I agree that the Sons of Starcraft producers should have been/should be more transparent. The people who donated them have a right to see where their money is going. However, smearing mud on the names of well-established indviduals like iNcontroL or TB doesn't help in anyway. Especially when you're pulling that mud out of thin air.
EDIT: I engage in dumb conversations (like this one) because unfortunately I was never trained to tune out human beings and ignore them entirely. I read, hear and respond to people more than a person in my position should but that has absolutely nothing to do with my status as a "professional" lol.
Personally, I actually prefer the interaction. It makes it feel like the big names are still "part of the community" instead of above it.
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On October 08 2013 09:36 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 09:31 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 08 2013 09:20 Xiphos wrote:On October 08 2013 08:53 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 08 2013 08:37 Xiphos wrote:
^Honestly, after Artosis, Tasteless, and Day[9] immediately ditched BW to seek more fame and receive more money from SC2 is the moment I don't give any crap about them anymore regardless of they may say.
Peoples needs to realize that majority of the people are selfish and greedy. They would do anything for cash or to spread their names and quit being naive. I've learned it the hard way with BW to SC2 transition. Fuck this whole "passion" persona when more money is involved. where do you get off accusing of them switching for fame and money? sc2 was a new game. almost everyone who played sc:bw switched to sc2 because of the fact that it was a new game that everyone was waiting for. Except for Kespa players. And don't give me bullshit because of Kespa restriction. Look at MVP, ZergBong, and Iron. They switched right after SC2's release. i fail to see the relevance. none of that shows that tastosis and day9 went to sc2 for fame and money rather than them just switching to the newest hit from blizzard. its not terribly surprising that players under contract with kespa and making salaries stayed with the game that paid their salaries. It may surprise you but Tastosis and Day9 constantly bashes SC2 and praise BW but they put their poker face on and plowed ahead in games. Tasteless just don't give any crap. I prefer Apollo much better than him. Day9 said "I just miss how fun BW is..." on baseball vs Frisbee analogy video of SC2 vs BW but yet never really try to grow the scene. Think logically, why would they want to be a place where they rather not to be in the first place? Well money is definitely a good source of motivation and....well....fame as non-Koreans plays more SC2 than BW!
There are other motivators than either money or love for the game. Day9 has always been consistent in trying to foster an esports scene that is based on his favorite principles of trying to improve yourself etc. it's sort of his philosophy and SC2 offered him a way to do that. It's why he casts the CSL finals free of charge for instance, because he favors the concept of the tournament. I'm sure he still likes SC2 even if he might prefer BW. And I'm sure that if he never became popular he still would be doing webshows for an audience of 200 people.
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On October 09 2013 04:18 VanSCPurge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:03 -Kaiser- wrote:On October 09 2013 03:24 iNcontroL wrote:On October 09 2013 02:45 -Kaiser- wrote:
Tasteless has been casting professionally in Korea for 6 years. I'd fucking hope that he's getting paid pretty decent money, people are talking like they're getting sudden windfalls of money for being popular. That might have been the case for someone like...Husky for example (TB as well, but TB does a lot more work with other shit).
But the casters who are making money are people who have been working in the scene and doing that shit on some level for over half a decade at least, and have been in the scene for the decade. All the power in the world to casters who are making the type of wage you should expect for a 5-year professional broadcaster, and tough fucking luck to the hundreds of non-superstar pros who thought that playing a video game professionally was going to be a consistent and viable career.
Of course Day9 makes good money. Is it maybe a little dishonest that he asks for donations? Up to you, but it's your fucking money to do what you want with it. It would be stupid of you to think that Sean acts like that everywhere. 'Day9' is a professional persona, just like 'Tasteless' is, just like 'Artosis' is. Stephen Colbert isn't really a republican, guys. No, they're not totally fucking different in real life, but they're professionals. You don't have to look very far to see what happens to people who don't understand how to present themselves professionally. Greg Fields lost his job because he was IdrA in too many places other than on camera. InControl has multiple personality disorder and doesn't know if he wants to be professional or not. These people [casters] are finding success in the scene because they know how to market themselves, they've worked hard to get there, and as far as the divide between casters and players, they worked hard at something that was going to pay the fucking bills.
In any other niche (sports, news, whatever), broadcasters that draw the type of audience that people like TB, Tastosis, Apollo, Day9, etc. would be making seven figure wages a year. It's not a fucking travesty that they're able to pull a six-figure professional's wage considering that it's a group of a dozen people that represent the entire god damn scene.
EDIT: Also TB pls go on Retsupurae more <3 I don't know if I want to be a professional or not? What? LOL Yes. You swing between extremes pretty hard. I can watch you casting Dreamhack or whatever in a suit and acting like a stand-up guy, and then go to the forums and you're in a retarded flamewar with someone acting like a jackass. You're famously really terrible at your own personal PR so to speak. You can be a great ambassador for eSports in front of the camera and do a lot of great things behind the scene Monday Wednesday Friday. but Tuesday Thursday you can be completely juvenile on an informal stream or something. TB sort of has the same issue where he can't help but chime in on anything that mentions, but personality wise he still acts like more or the less the same brit, so there's not really a disconnect between what's "actively presented" and how he acts otherwise (otherwise being shit like forums and chats, etc). You come off as a professional when you're getting paid and a frat boy when you're not. EDIT: The reason this is relevant at all is because the problem that's happened with Sons of Starcraft is that a bunch of professional people hyped it up and asked for people to pay for it, but it's been handled unprofessionally since the kickstarter. There's a big gap between how professional our eSports ambassadors are presented, and whether or not they can be trusted to behave and handle things professionally outside of their sponsored appearances. You just told someone they have multiple personality disorder, because they behave differently on camera (with thousands of people watching them) than they do most of the time. ... Everyone is like that. Everyone. Some people the difference is more noticeable than others, sure. But that doesn't mean you should accuse someone of something like that. It only serves to, at least partially, de-value your own opinion. I agree that the Sons of Starcraft producers should have been/should be more transparent. The people who donated them have a right to see where their money is going. However, smearing mud on the names of well-established indviduals like iNcontroL or TB doesn't help in anyway. Especially when you're pulling that mud out of thin air.
I'm not smearing mud on anybody. I started off by saying that there's a big difference between how people act on camera and how they act in real life. What I'm talking about with, for example iNcontrol, is that the different way they're acting when they're off camera is still very public. Apollo does a really good job, for example, of not coming across as a totally different person depending on when you see him speak. I think iNcontrol is hilarious, I think he's a good caster, and I think he's often a great member of streams. iNcontrol is very transparent about his personality vs. his job, and that's both a good thing and a bad thing. This whole Sons of Starcraft issue is a lack of transparency in the production of the show, stemming from what I feel like is a lack of transparency in the professionalism of the people involved. Now, I think it's important that professionals aren't so transparent most of the time (that's what makes the appear transparent).
My point is A) that people should be aware of the difference between on-camera and off-camera before they give their money away.
and B) That people who make an effort to come off as professional need to understand that there's some level of expectation that they're *consistently* professional.
If iNcontrol asks for your money, you know who you're giving it to. If Tasteless asks for it, I don't really know.
Ftr, "Doesn't know if he wants to be professional or not" and "multiple personality disorder" are obviously not literal statements.
PS EDIT: I apologize for the bad writing, I'm currently very scatterbrained.]
TL;DR IMO:
1) People need to understand that not all the professionals in this scene are so professional before they give their money away.
2) Some of the people that /are/ professional might do well to make an effort to be more consistent with their public image.
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So When is Sons of Starcraft coming out?
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On October 09 2013 04:45 never_Nal wrote:
So When is Sons of Starcraft coming out?
You totally reverse-hijacked this thread to put it back on topic.
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On October 09 2013 04:45 never_Nal wrote:
So When is Sons of Starcraft coming out?
At Blizzcon even if that would mean that Tumba has to finish it himself
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The EMG management is right by the way. I was told the same thing by some of the game publishers I've worked with in the industry, that my original appearance fee was far too little. Some insisted on raising it because they "wouldn't feel right" paying me as little as SC2 events do. There is a reason why broadcast personalities are paid the way they are, because they can command an audience. I don't want this to seem like I'm bragging but compare Acer Teamstory Cup when I cast vs when other English commentators cast it. Look at the numbers. Millenium vs Mousesports last week, 10k concurrents, 13,940 unique live viewers, 10,470 unique VoD viewers. Even with the most popular teams, ATC is getting anywhere between 1/4th and half that with other casters. Popular casters have audiences that can bring value to the event, an absurd amount of value in some cases, that's why they get paid. After all, viewers aren't customers, they are the product, tournaments sell the viewers to the advertisers and that's how they afford to run the event. If a caster can bring in more viewers, he will be paid more for it, assuming he is savvy enough to ask for that.
That's how the industry works and that's how ALL broadcast industries work. If you have the ability to bring in an audience of your own then that's one of the most valuable things you can possibly do.
I've never been paid "what I'm worth (according to industry people)" by a Starcraft 2 event and I imagine very few ever have been.
I would just like to say I cannot imagine another sports industry, or any other broadcasting industry period except news outlets, in which the broadcasters/production crew/sponsors or whatever are more important for the crowd draw than the actual players (teams) or participants.... or possibly prize pool relative stuff.
I'll admit I definitely like some casters more than others and there are a couple that force me to mute the stream to keep from raging, but I have NEVER watched a match purely to listen to the commentary or to support a caster. I watch streams and tournaments to see players I like and to appreciate the competition.
I support e-sports because to me it feels like watching physical sports which I also really enjoy.
I don't want it to sound like the casters don't deserve the money they make. They do work hard and I appreciate the building of the scene they have contributed. But attitudes like this make me cringe.. The idea that you are more important to the scene than the players and organizations that make your career possible (Regardless of the "Business-Meta" or what your industry buddies pander) seems downright shameful.
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On October 09 2013 05:34 bombsauce wrote:Show nested quote +
The EMG management is right by the way. I was told the same thing by some of the game publishers I've worked with in the industry, that my original appearance fee was far too little. Some insisted on raising it because they "wouldn't feel right" paying me as little as SC2 events do. There is a reason why broadcast personalities are paid the way they are, because they can command an audience. I don't want this to seem like I'm bragging but compare Acer Teamstory Cup when I cast vs when other English commentators cast it. Look at the numbers. Millenium vs Mousesports last week, 10k concurrents, 13,940 unique live viewers, 10,470 unique VoD viewers. Even with the most popular teams, ATC is getting anywhere between 1/4th and half that with other casters. Popular casters have audiences that can bring value to the event, an absurd amount of value in some cases, that's why they get paid. After all, viewers aren't customers, they are the product, tournaments sell the viewers to the advertisers and that's how they afford to run the event. If a caster can bring in more viewers, he will be paid more for it, assuming he is savvy enough to ask for that.
That's how the industry works and that's how ALL broadcast industries work. If you have the ability to bring in an audience of your own then that's one of the most valuable things you can possibly do.
I've never been paid "what I'm worth (according to industry people)" by a Starcraft 2 event and I imagine very few ever have been. I would just like to say I cannot imagine another sports industry, or any other broadcasting industry period except news outlets, in which the broadcasters/production crew/sponsors or whatever are more important for the crowd draw than the actual players (teams) or participants.... or possibly prize pool relative stuff. I'll admit I definitely like some casters more than others and there are a couple that force me to mute the stream to keep from raging, but I have NEVER watched a match purely to listen to the commentary or to support a caster. I watch streams and tournaments to see players I like and to appreciate the competition. I support e-sports because to me it feels like watching physical sports which I also really enjoy. I don't want it to sound like the casters don't deserve the money they make. They do work hard and I appreciate the building of the scene they have contributed. But attitudes like this make me cringe.. The idea that you are more important to the scene than the players and organizations that make your career possible (Regardless of the "Business-Meta" or what your industry buddies pander) seems downright shameful.
He's not saying that at all.
The problem with eSports compared to a sport like soccer is the complexity. Bad or unlikable casting in Starcraft ruins the broadcast for a large percentage of potential viewers. It's a lot easier to just watch a hockey game or a soccer game if you don't know all the little things, but casters are vital for giving most viewers all the information they need to enjoy the game.
That's why casters are valuable. Good casters can help bad players. Good players have a much harder time helping bad casters.
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On October 09 2013 05:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 04:45 never_Nal wrote:
So When is Sons of Starcraft coming out? At Blizzcon even if that would mean that Tumba has to finish it himself
Source? If that is true then we might as well end all discussion here. 
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On October 09 2013 05:51 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 05:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:On October 09 2013 04:45 never_Nal wrote:
So When is Sons of Starcraft coming out? At Blizzcon even if that would mean that Tumba has to finish it himself Source? If that is true then we might as well end all discussion here.
Click me, JPB
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 09 2013 05:44 -Kaiser- wrote:On October 09 2013 05:34 bombsauce wrote:Show nested quote +
The EMG management is right by the way. I was told the same thing by some of the game publishers I've worked with in the industry, that my original appearance fee was far too little. Some insisted on raising it because they "wouldn't feel right" paying me as little as SC2 events do. There is a reason why broadcast personalities are paid the way they are, because they can command an audience. I don't want this to seem like I'm bragging but compare Acer Teamstory Cup when I cast vs when other English commentators cast it. Look at the numbers. Millenium vs Mousesports last week, 10k concurrents, 13,940 unique live viewers, 10,470 unique VoD viewers. Even with the most popular teams, ATC is getting anywhere between 1/4th and half that with other casters. Popular casters have audiences that can bring value to the event, an absurd amount of value in some cases, that's why they get paid. After all, viewers aren't customers, they are the product, tournaments sell the viewers to the advertisers and that's how they afford to run the event. If a caster can bring in more viewers, he will be paid more for it, assuming he is savvy enough to ask for that.
That's how the industry works and that's how ALL broadcast industries work. If you have the ability to bring in an audience of your own then that's one of the most valuable things you can possibly do.
I've never been paid "what I'm worth (according to industry people)" by a Starcraft 2 event and I imagine very few ever have been. I would just like to say I cannot imagine another sports industry, or any other broadcasting industry period except news outlets, in which the broadcasters/production crew/sponsors or whatever are more important for the crowd draw than the actual players (teams) or participants.... or possibly prize pool relative stuff. I'll admit I definitely like some casters more than others and there are a couple that force me to mute the stream to keep from raging, but I have NEVER watched a match purely to listen to the commentary or to support a caster. I watch streams and tournaments to see players I like and to appreciate the competition. I support e-sports because to me it feels like watching physical sports which I also really enjoy. I don't want it to sound like the casters don't deserve the money they make. They do work hard and I appreciate the building of the scene they have contributed. But attitudes like this make me cringe.. The idea that you are more important to the scene than the players and organizations that make your career possible (Regardless of the "Business-Meta" or what your industry buddies pander) seems downright shameful. The problem with eSports compared to a sport like soccer is the complexity. Bad or unlikable casting in Starcraft ruins the broadcast for a large percentage of potential viewers. It's a lot easier to just watch a hockey game or a soccer game if you don't know all the little things, but casters are vital for giving most viewers all the information they need to enjoy the game. That's why casters are valuable. Good casters can help bad players. Good players have a much harder time helping bad casters.
I honestly don't think that SC2 needs to be harder to watch. My opinion is that the SC2 announcers actually have no need to delve so deeply into the intricacies or every little thing like they do and that by re-examining casting methods for a broader perspective, e-sports actually could be made more accessible to a wider audience.. actually I would argue that a bad caster does much more damage to a program than a great caster gives benefit, whereas a run-of-the-mill nobody caster that doesn't do a bad job is not at all a bad thing. But honestly that doesn't matter to my post.
I never said they don't have huge value, in fact I said that they did and they are important to the scene. The problem is that they put themselves on a pedestal over the players. To me it is ridiculous the number of times a caster will plug his own twitter account or upcoming schedule. Why not give the PLAYERS' twitter account info? Why not give their stream link or an update on what is going on in their lives? Like I said, I am here to see the players and competition, not learn about the caster's day or life philosophy.
Relating to this thread. To me it seems twisted in the first place that projects like Sons of StarCraft are first introduced and promoted by casting personalities. These things should be sanctioned and operated by a reputed body of some sort, ie. a professional league (read NFL... WCS?) or information source (ESPN). Frankly, the fact that the documentary is so centered on the life of the casters and not the players (at least that is the vibe I get from him following the casters around in their lives so much) just goes to show how severely misshapen the e-sports landscape is in terms of deserved support.
If you want SC2 to grow as a community and sport, there should be more incentive to become a professional PLAYER than to become a professional personality; right now, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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On October 09 2013 06:28 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 05:51 JustPassingBy wrote:On October 09 2013 05:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:On October 09 2013 04:45 never_Nal wrote:
So When is Sons of Starcraft coming out? At Blizzcon even if that would mean that Tumba has to finish it himself Source? If that is true then we might as well end all discussion here. Click me, JPB
I love how he acts like people are morons for not intuitively knowing something that was never even hinted at. It still hasn't even been announced officially, so maybe it's still unconfirmed.
Then he preposterously throws in "#consipiracy". Because every professional internet arguer knows the best ad hominem is to accuse your opponent of being a conspiracy theorist. Even when it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
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On October 09 2013 06:28 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 05:51 JustPassingBy wrote:On October 09 2013 05:06 AlternativeEgo wrote:On October 09 2013 04:45 never_Nal wrote:
So When is Sons of Starcraft coming out? At Blizzcon even if that would mean that Tumba has to finish it himself Source? If that is true then we might as well end all discussion here. Click me, JPB
Eh, I don't know. That doesn't look like an announcement to me...
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It speaks volumes that we are being spoonfed tweets from Tumba of all people.
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Thanks for the Tweet link  . Look forward to this :D
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Who exactly is Tumba anyways? I've never heard of him.
Also, he needs to learn how to reply properly, I have no idea how Scandhi or Abedisi got roped into this flamefest lol (Richard A. Lewis from the Cadred article is the only one I know).
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Wasn't there someone who started a Kickstarter to hire a private investigator to hunt down the guy who did the kickstarter for the movie? what ever happened with that?
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On October 09 2013 07:18 tshi wrote:
Wasn't there someone who started a Kickstarter to hire a private investigator to hunt down the guy who did the kickstarter for the movie? what ever happened with that?
You mean the kickstarter for chobopeon to become a " esports journalist " ? It wasn't funded and that was the end of it.
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On October 09 2013 07:16 Wuster wrote:
Who exactly is Tumba anyways? I've never heard of him.
Also, he needs to learn how to reply properly, I have no idea how Scandhi or Abedisi got roped into this flamefest lol (Richard A. Lewis from the Cadred article is the only one I know).
He is one of the guys who runs eMG (eSports Management Group) and the documentary guy is one of their clients. I reckon he felt pressured by Lewis and either revealed the surprise premiere or made it up in order to shut him up. We'll see which it was.
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