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teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
September 07 2012 04:05 GMT
#121
Definitely gonna see alot of SUPER fast thirds out of zerg on TDA now
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
September 07 2012 04:06 GMT
#122
Should've happened like over a year ago, but a late change is better than no change.
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
September 07 2012 04:12 GMT
#123
Tier removal is awesome.
Win / Loss is irrelivant. esepcially now that they have broadened the MMR search window.

Taldarim rocks removal is good, but I will still veto it. Because PvP.
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
September 07 2012 04:19 GMT
#124
Thats a really good change I am glad Blizzard is still doing small things to help out the playing experience.
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slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
September 07 2012 04:21 GMT
#125
Oh, I heard "tear removal." I thought a change closer to hitting my emotions like LAN support was coming.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 04:25:54
September 07 2012 04:25 GMT
#126
WAIT WHOA THEY REMOVED THE ROCKS AT TDA???

shit but it's a full base... but better than before I guess?

wait so they're still gonna keep tda though? ;;


and o yea, tier removal good, i guess, esp since u couldnt see what tier u were in
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Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
September 07 2012 04:27 GMT
#127
On September 07 2012 13:12 Kharnage wrote:
Win / Loss is irrelivant. esepcially now that they have broadened the MMR search window.

I'm completely mixed up after they changed this and changed it back again... Are you absolutely sure the MMR search window is broadened now, or is it back to how it was?
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Fix637
Profile Joined February 2011
United States256 Posts
September 07 2012 04:29 GMT
#128
It seems this is going to make the ladders much more competitive, as it will be much harder to get to number one in your league. The more transparency where promotion and ranking are concerned the better in my opinion, it's very frustrating to be at number one in your division and you still don't get promoted.

As OP said, Blizzard definitely needs to bring back win/loss ratios for those below Masters. The reason they originally removed it doesn't make much sense, just because some people feel bad about their win/loss doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't get to know.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8323 Posts
September 07 2012 04:34 GMT
#129
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't taking the rocks out on taldarim benefit Zerg more than the other races? And the map wasn't exactly bad for zerg before... I dunno, could be totally wrong here.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
September 07 2012 04:34 GMT
#130
On September 07 2012 13:12 Kharnage wrote:
Tier removal is awesome.
Win / Loss is irrelivant. esepcially now that they have broadened the MMR search window.

Taldarim rocks removal is good, but I will still veto it. Because PvP.


just put that damn rocks by the main choke so we can close it with 1 FF, plz blizz
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Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 04:50:26
September 07 2012 04:38 GMT
#131
Can someone explain to me this? What if I get into a division where most people played 2 games and then went inactive, and I climbed to 1st place?
vandelayindustries
Profile Joined August 2011
United States290 Posts
September 07 2012 04:40 GMT
#132
Cool change regarding the ladder tiers, and I suppose removing rocks on Tal'darim is a good step as well.

However, I find it funny that for the 3v3 and 4v4 map pools they removed two maps each, but of the four replacement maps three are recycled from very old maps.
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
September 07 2012 04:40 GMT
#133
On September 07 2012 12:52 CT Legacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 12:20 Iranon wrote:
On September 07 2012 11:39 Gamegene wrote:
i hope i don't have to see "rank 859" or something ridiculous like that.


I would much, much rather see "rank 7,127 / 20,326" comparing me to everyone else with the same league than a relatively meaningless number comparing me to 99 random people who placed into the same league as me at roughly the same time. It's great that they're removing division tiers, but now we're just going to get random divisions that are only representative of anything *on average*. Rank 2/100 diamond should mean you're in the 98th percentile of diamond players in your region, but unless they scrap the idea of divisions altogether, I don't see how Blizzard can make sure every division is a perfect bell curve that matches the MMR distribution of that league overall.

sounds like what they are doing is removing the divisions all together..

you won't be seeing 859/1400 either.. you will just get a rank based on the percent of people you are ranked against. So if you are in the top 40% you will be rank 40. if you are low plat it will be plat. rank 90 or something like that. That's what I think it will be


Not exactly. There will still be divisions. For example, there will be still X number of Diamond divisions with 100 players each.

In the current season, not all Diamond divisions are created equal. For example some Diamond divisions are lower 'tier'. In other words, the players in that division are of lower quality that other Diamond divisions. For diamond there are 7 such 'tiers'. In this system, being Rank 1 of your division, doesn't mean your in the top 1% of Diamond players. A Rank 1 diamond player from a Diamond division in the lowest tier will have a much lower MMR than a rank 1 player from the highest tier (that player will be playing Masters players fairly constantly). There's no way to compare rank across divisions because this 'tier' property isn't visible or accessible anywhere.

In the new season, there will be no such separation. All Diamond divisions will be created equal. Being Rank 1 Diamond will mean you are in the top 1% of Diamond players.
Scurvy
Profile Joined March 2012
United States117 Posts
September 07 2012 04:47 GMT
#134
Good change in removing division tiers. At least it is a step in the right direction as far as giving players more information.
With it or on it.
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 04:56:36
September 07 2012 04:52 GMT
#135
Wow never even knew about this... 2 seasons ago played over 100 games to try and get out of bronze winning 80% of them and being top 5 and facing a gold or silver player every once in a while and beating them easily and wondering why I wasnt close to promotion if that was happening >_<

Maybe my drive to ladder will come back :o

On September 07 2012 13:38 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Can someone explain to me this? What if I get into a division where most people played 2 games and then went inactive, and I climbed to 1st place?


Means nothing really.. Just helps to identify when you can be close to a promotion.. Like silver players staying top 3 in their division and wondering why they've played 50+ games winning a large sum of them and gradually running into gold league players and winning and yet not seeing a promotion at all...

Alot of lower league players have been really confused as it hasnt been clear about how high skill you actually are and playing and winning as much as someone else in your league and them getting promoted and your still stuck in said league
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 04:56:27
September 07 2012 04:55 GMT
#136
double post T_T
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
September 07 2012 05:08 GMT
#137
Great news!I'm lovin it...now if they would just give our Win/Lose ratio back i'm a happy man.
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m1rk3
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada412 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 05:14:25
September 07 2012 05:12 GMT
#138
Yup, now all we need is W/L ratio back. Now that active players are the only ones playing. Not many newbs remaining because they have been weeded out by ladder anxiety, rage quitting, league of legends and any other reasons you can [insert here].
For the Dominion!
nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
September 07 2012 05:22 GMT
#139
Finally something nice for a change. Don't really understand why they didn't completely remove TDA though
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
September 07 2012 05:26 GMT
#140
I never understood the purpose of tiers in the first place.

Glad they're gone, though.
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