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On September 15 2012 09:21 JDub wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 02:17 teamhozac wrote:
Yeah sure seems like this season is much harder, guess thats what happens when theres not all the nonsense going on with the ranking system I don't understand how people can be like "oh, now it's way harder". Who you're playing has not changed at all, it's still the same MMR system. For every game that you (or another person) plays against a player better than them, that player plays somebody worse than them. The system can't be any harder or easier than before, since for every hard game for one person, there's an easy game for someone else. It's a zero sum game.
I said it "seems" harder... my point was that it is much more clear now exaclty where your MMR is because is supposedly coincides better with the point system, or thats what they said on the patch, I think... anyways, what that might mean is that I was ranked too high previously due to discrepancy in points/mmr, if what im saying is at all accurate lol
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On September 15 2012 09:12 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 08:48 teamhozac wrote:
Is sc2ranks ever gonna update the stats page, theyre still on season 5, im very curious to see how many people play what race etc. It says season 5 but it also says live. It looks like it's actually up to date, just labeled wrong. Note how there's no GM numbers for all the regions except China, where Season 9 hasn't rolled out yet.
Some serious zerg numbers: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/am/1/all
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On September 15 2012 09:23 teamhozac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:21 JDub wrote:On September 14 2012 02:17 teamhozac wrote:
Yeah sure seems like this season is much harder, guess thats what happens when theres not all the nonsense going on with the ranking system I don't understand how people can be like "oh, now it's way harder". Who you're playing has not changed at all, it's still the same MMR system. For every game that you (or another person) plays against a player better than them, that player plays somebody worse than them. The system can't be any harder or easier than before, since for every hard game for one person, there's an easy game for someone else. It's a zero sum game. I said it "seems" harder... my point was that it is much more clear now exaclty where your MMR is because is supposedly coincides better with the point system, or thats what they said on the patch, I think... anyways, what that might mean is that I was ranked too high previously due to discrepancy in points/mmr, if what im saying is at all accurate lol
It's not harder to win a game, it's the same. But it will be harder to climb your division rank as a result of the change. However, now your division rank can be ignored and you can use SC2ranks and your points instead.
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On September 15 2012 17:03 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 09:23 teamhozac wrote:On September 15 2012 09:21 JDub wrote:On September 14 2012 02:17 teamhozac wrote:
Yeah sure seems like this season is much harder, guess thats what happens when theres not all the nonsense going on with the ranking system I don't understand how people can be like "oh, now it's way harder". Who you're playing has not changed at all, it's still the same MMR system. For every game that you (or another person) plays against a player better than them, that player plays somebody worse than them. The system can't be any harder or easier than before, since for every hard game for one person, there's an easy game for someone else. It's a zero sum game. I said it "seems" harder... my point was that it is much more clear now exaclty where your MMR is because is supposedly coincides better with the point system, or thats what they said on the patch, I think... anyways, what that might mean is that I was ranked too high previously due to discrepancy in points/mmr, if what im saying is at all accurate lol It's not harder to win a game, it's the same. But it will be harder to climb your division rank as a result of the change. However, now your division rank can be ignored and you can use SC2ranks and your points instead.
Right I suppose that is what I meant, well said
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This might be a dumb question..
but what about when you promote to a division where it is not full.
For example, on 4v4, i just promoted from plat to diamond. i was rank #1 in my division because there were only 10 players there.
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So you're going to be rank 1 something which means top 1%
But will this be 1% of like gold on your Server or the whole world ?
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On September 16 2012 01:58 BigRedDog wrote:
This might be a dumb question..
but what about when you promote to a division where it is not full.
For example, on 4v4, i just promoted from plat to diamond. i was rank #1 in my division because there were only 10 players there.
Right. So, new divisions pop up all the time. And, every league change comes with a point reset (73 + spent bonus pool). Naturally you're not going to be in the top 1% when your points have just been reset, even if you're rank 1 in your new division. That statement only applies to full divisions and even then, only when everyone has spent all their bonus pool (an inactive player with unspent bonus pool isn't going to be a reliable indicator of skill, right?), and even then, only on the average because the skill range in a division is so large and practically random. This is basically where you need SC2Ranks to aggregate the data for all divisions, because the top 100 or 200 or 500 or however many constitute the top X% in SC2Ranks are people who are earning every possible point from skill as well as bonus pool, creating a more accurate (but still not perfect) measure.
On September 19 2012 01:09 Vandrad wrote:
So you're going to be rank 1 something which means top 1%
But will this be 1% of like gold on your Server or the whole world ?
It's per league per region. Read above for why you can't just apply a hard and fast rule like that, though. Tier removal gives division rank more credit but not enough to equate it to skill necessarily.
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Umm, can someone explain to me how does it work?
For example, in Season 8, there is a percentile of players you are in, and it said I was in the 3th percent. Then when the new season started, I was in the 96th percentile... (Might also be due the increase of all-ins, cheese, etc). Which was pretty funny because I was fighting the occasional diamond, and my last season 8 match was vs a top diamond who I won.
Here is my graph. I am going to explain what I think I see, so can someone confirm if I am assuming the right things?
+ Show Spoiler +http://i.imgur.com/x7A8X.jpg
I have a huge drop in points (blue line right?) and is this common?
What is the world rank? Why is there 5297 on the red line, and 9864 at the 1v1 stats. Which is the correct one?
[After some thought] Nevermind, I think I figured out the percentile part. So 3% of 97th percentile to 6% of 94th percentile, is only a slight drop.
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On September 19 2012 01:34 Immutant wrote:Umm, can someone explain to me how does it work? For example, in Season 8, there is a percentile of players you are in, and it said I was in the 3th percent. Then when the new season started, I was in the 96th percentile... (Might also be due the increase of all-ins, cheese, etc). Which was pretty funny because I was fighting the occasional diamond, and my last season 8 match was vs a top diamond who I won. Here is my graph. I am going to explain what I think I see, so can someone confirm if I am assuming the right things? + Show Spoiler +http://i.imgur.com/x7A8X.jpg I have a huge drop in points (blue line right?) and is this common? What is the world rank? Why is there 5297 on the red line, and 9864 at the 1v1 stats. Which is the correct one? [After some thought] Nevermind, I think I figured out the percentile part. So 3% of 97th percentile to 6% of 94th percentile, is only a slight drop.
Oops forgot which thread I was posting in. Anyway...
SC2Ranks pulls data by division periodically and for leagues below Master the polling frequency is reduced. That's why your data says "3 days ago", that's when it was last updated. Secondly, your point drop is a result of a new season because everyone starts at 0 points. Thirdly, the graph plots data points at certain intervals and is not in one-to-one lockstep with the information above, therefore it's primarily useful for watching trends.
The region rank is your rank in points at the time of your last profile snapshot compared to everyone else on the server. The world rank is not directly comparable because the regions are separate and never play each other directly, therefore the point scales can vary from region to region (similar to how FIDE and USCF ratings for chess use the same scale but the ratings themselves aren't comparable because of a lack of direct competition among players).
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Oh, thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that everyone started with 0 points, thought that some people with higher tier/mmr would get more points initially.
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