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FCLogan
Profile Joined August 2012
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 02:23:09
September 07 2012 02:22 GMT
#81
On September 07 2012 11:15 419fish wrote:
Show nested quote +
After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players


how is this possible. If I was barley in diamond and I improved I would have more points than a near master diamond player who was just maintaining his skill, because who you are matched against is based on your MMR not your points? am I missing something?



What they mean is you are near the top 2% of points not MMR. But you will be a lot closer to the top 2% of MMR than today because when points get really high, your points tend to have a stronger correlation to MMR. To get a lot of points (more specifically adjusted points which are total points minus spent bonus pool), you have to win a lot more than you lose. Doing this means your MMR is likely higher. So having higher points can mean a higher MMR.

With the removal of the division tiers, getting to Rank 2 diamond or platinum will be a closer reflection of your MMR than it is today. However, as you mentioned, points are not MMR and higher points might correlate to higher MMR but they do not cause higher MMR (the age old maxim of correlation is not causation).

What Blizzard is trying to say is that next season, your points will more closely track your MMR. This will be truer for people who are towards the top of their division as people who play only bonus pool games will have much higher display points than their actual placement. Also, some divisions will be more active than others so the top 2 in a less active division might have a lot less points.


TLDR: Points next season will have a stronger correlation to MMR than points do this season for most people in leagues below master.
Nimbl3
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia49 Posts
September 07 2012 02:23 GMT
#82
i actually think the tier removal was a good idea, now it will show a good understanding of where you rank in the league your placed... not sure about the rocks not like it was a major issue before anyway.
Dream as if you will live for ever, Live as if you would die today
IhateBunkers
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand78 Posts
September 07 2012 02:27 GMT
#83
This is one of the things that i think should of happened from the start as that way by being in diamond for example you know that you are actually in diamond not just and low tier diamond that is pretty much platinum. GL at trying to get win loss ratio back mad me laugh when you stuck that comment in at the end.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
September 07 2012 02:28 GMT
#84
Glad they are removing tiers, they were needlessly confusing.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
419fish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States35 Posts
September 07 2012 02:29 GMT
#85
On September 07 2012 11:22 FCLogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 11:15 419fish wrote:
After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players


how is this possible. If I was barley in diamond and I improved I would have more points than a near master diamond player who was just maintaining his skill, because who you are matched against is based on your MMR not your points? am I missing something?



What they mean is you are near the top 2% of points not MMR. But you will be a lot closer to the top 2% of MMR than today because when points get really high, your points tend to have a stronger correlation to MMR. To get a lot of points (more specifically adjusted points which are total points minus spent bonus pool), you have to win a lot more than you lose. Doing this means your MMR is likely higher. So having higher points can mean a higher MMR.

With the removal of the division tiers, getting to Rank 2 diamond or platinum will be a closer reflection of your MMR than it is today. However, as you mentioned, points are not MMR and higher points might correlate to higher MMR but they do not cause higher MMR (the age old maxim of correlation is not causation).

What Blizzard is trying to say is that next season, your points will more closely track your MMR. This will be truer for people who are towards the top of their division as people who play only bonus pool games will have much higher display points than their actual placement. Also, some divisions will be more active than others so the top 2 in a less active division might have a lot less points.


TLDR: Points next season will have a stronger correlation to MMR than points do this season for most people in leagues below master.

thanks makes sense
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
September 07 2012 02:34 GMT
#86
loving the tier removal change. Now rank within division might actually be a little more meaningful
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 07 2012 02:39 GMT
#87
i hope i don't have to see "rank 859" or something ridiculous like that.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
MShaw006
Profile Joined April 2011
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 02:43:09
September 07 2012 02:42 GMT
#88
On September 07 2012 11:39 Gamegene wrote:
i hope i don't have to see "rank 859" or something ridiculous like that.


No, there are still divisions, they're just all equal skill-wise. There used to be hidden tiers of divisions within each league, where some divisions had better players than others in the same league. Now all divisions have players of all skill levels within each league.

So, the ranks will still be 1-100.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
September 07 2012 02:47 GMT
#89
Yay! I can still play on Shakuras and close position Antiga. Oh fourgate works on TalDarim still?

Thanks Blizzard <3
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 07 2012 02:52 GMT
#90
Awesome!!!! Both make me happy.
#TheOneTrueDong
antifan
Profile Joined August 2012
116 Posts
September 07 2012 02:54 GMT
#91
This is so SC2, trying to make everything easier. What happened to the good old days where people skimped out on information?
GHSTxGlitch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States20 Posts
September 07 2012 02:54 GMT
#92
Why is metropolis not in the pool?? i understand that they're fixing Tal da rim but i feel like the map just needs to go. Tal da rim and shakuras should both be out and metropolis and atlantis spaceship should be in. I am a fan of the new ladder system though.
"If you dont drop sweat today, then you will drop tears tomorrow." SlayersMMA
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
September 07 2012 02:54 GMT
#93
Looks good, but i'm still banning 4 gate altar. I like the teir removal though.
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
September 07 2012 02:56 GMT
#94
Glad they fixed the Zerg issue on TDA. I'm still vetoing it on account of PvP though. I wish they'd do us the same kindness they did Zerg and give it a ramp.
bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 02:57:05
September 07 2012 02:56 GMT
#95
Will you get promoted/demoted into different division if your mmr is shifted? I dont really get it but it is awesome! Top 1 Diamond = Promotion! Now laddering has a meaning.
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
September 07 2012 02:57 GMT
#96
Good change, just wish we'd have even more transparency in the system. I mean, why to be all secret about it...makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
September 07 2012 03:00 GMT
#97
Cool changes, hope to see where I'm really at now
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QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
September 07 2012 03:02 GMT
#98
Cool change, shame I struggle playing WoL since HOTS came out even tho I didnt get into HOTS yet ><
Guess I wont be playing any Starcraft anytime soon lols
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 03:05:06
September 07 2012 03:03 GMT
#99
dont call the day before the evening...
Im still waiting for the trap...
Lets see if they remove the mmr-cap for lower leagues and the other special rules too.

Also some points in the post of blizzard are not true.
Save gaming: kill esport
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
September 07 2012 03:03 GMT
#100
Thank you for the reply FClogan.

So basically divisions are the same as tiers?
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
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