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On September 07 2012 11:15 419fish wrote:Show nested quote + After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players how is this possible. If I was barley in diamond and I improved I would have more points than a near master diamond player who was just maintaining his skill, because who you are matched against is based on your MMR not your points? am I missing something?
What they mean is you are near the top 2% of points not MMR. But you will be a lot closer to the top 2% of MMR than today because when points get really high, your points tend to have a stronger correlation to MMR. To get a lot of points (more specifically adjusted points which are total points minus spent bonus pool), you have to win a lot more than you lose. Doing this means your MMR is likely higher. So having higher points can mean a higher MMR.
With the removal of the division tiers, getting to Rank 2 diamond or platinum will be a closer reflection of your MMR than it is today. However, as you mentioned, points are not MMR and higher points might correlate to higher MMR but they do not cause higher MMR (the age old maxim of correlation is not causation).
What Blizzard is trying to say is that next season, your points will more closely track your MMR. This will be truer for people who are towards the top of their division as people who play only bonus pool games will have much higher display points than their actual placement. Also, some divisions will be more active than others so the top 2 in a less active division might have a lot less points.
TLDR: Points next season will have a stronger correlation to MMR than points do this season for most people in leagues below master.
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i actually think the tier removal was a good idea, now it will show a good understanding of where you rank in the league your placed... not sure about the rocks not like it was a major issue before anyway.
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This is one of the things that i think should of happened from the start as that way by being in diamond for example you know that you are actually in diamond not just and low tier diamond that is pretty much platinum. GL at trying to get win loss ratio back mad me laugh when you stuck that comment in at the end.
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Glad they are removing tiers, they were needlessly confusing.
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On September 07 2012 11:22 FCLogan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 11:15 419fish wrote: After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players how is this possible. If I was barley in diamond and I improved I would have more points than a near master diamond player who was just maintaining his skill, because who you are matched against is based on your MMR not your points? am I missing something? What they mean is you are near the top 2% of points not MMR. But you will be a lot closer to the top 2% of MMR than today because when points get really high, your points tend to have a stronger correlation to MMR. To get a lot of points (more specifically adjusted points which are total points minus spent bonus pool), you have to win a lot more than you lose. Doing this means your MMR is likely higher. So having higher points can mean a higher MMR. With the removal of the division tiers, getting to Rank 2 diamond or platinum will be a closer reflection of your MMR than it is today. However, as you mentioned, points are not MMR and higher points might correlate to higher MMR but they do not cause higher MMR (the age old maxim of correlation is not causation). What Blizzard is trying to say is that next season, your points will more closely track your MMR. This will be truer for people who are towards the top of their division as people who play only bonus pool games will have much higher display points than their actual placement. Also, some divisions will be more active than others so the top 2 in a less active division might have a lot less points. TLDR: Points next season will have a stronger correlation to MMR than points do this season for most people in leagues below master.
thanks makes sense
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loving the tier removal change. Now rank within division might actually be a little more meaningful
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i hope i don't have to see "rank 859" or something ridiculous like that.
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On September 07 2012 11:39 Gamegene wrote:
i hope i don't have to see "rank 859" or something ridiculous like that.
No, there are still divisions, they're just all equal skill-wise. There used to be hidden tiers of divisions within each league, where some divisions had better players than others in the same league. Now all divisions have players of all skill levels within each league.
So, the ranks will still be 1-100.
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Yay! I can still play on Shakuras and close position Antiga. Oh fourgate works on TalDarim still?
Thanks Blizzard <3
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Awesome!!!! Both make me happy.
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This is so SC2, trying to make everything easier. What happened to the good old days where people skimped out on information?
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Why is metropolis not in the pool?? i understand that they're fixing Tal da rim but i feel like the map just needs to go. Tal da rim and shakuras should both be out and metropolis and atlantis spaceship should be in. I am a fan of the new ladder system though.
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Looks good, but i'm still banning 4 gate altar. I like the teir removal though.
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Glad they fixed the Zerg issue on TDA. I'm still vetoing it on account of PvP though. I wish they'd do us the same kindness they did Zerg and give it a ramp.
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Will you get promoted/demoted into different division if your mmr is shifted? I dont really get it but it is awesome! Top 1 Diamond = Promotion! Now laddering has a meaning.
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Good change, just wish we'd have even more transparency in the system. I mean, why to be all secret about it...makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
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Cool changes, hope to see where I'm really at now
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Cool change, shame I struggle playing WoL since HOTS came out even tho I didnt get into HOTS yet ><
Guess I wont be playing any Starcraft anytime soon lols
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dont call the day before the evening...
Im still waiting for the trap...
Lets see if they remove the mmr-cap for lower leagues and the other special rules too.
Also some points in the post of blizzard are not true.
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Thank you for the reply FClogan.
So basically divisions are the same as tiers?
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