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raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
September 07 2012 01:19 GMT
#21
I was wondering when the rocks got removed. I played today and noticed it and thought I was going crazy
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 07 2012 01:20 GMT
#22
So does that mean no more divisions unless I am mistaken?
When I think of something else, something will go here
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
September 07 2012 01:20 GMT
#23
So I could win like 10 games in a row, but my rank could actually stay the same? as in percentile wise?
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1797 Posts
September 07 2012 01:20 GMT
#24
YESS no more tiers! Huzzah!
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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
September 07 2012 01:21 GMT
#25
oh my god no tiers no rocks at TDA? YESSSSSSSSS
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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
September 07 2012 01:21 GMT
#26
On September 07 2012 10:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 10:16 DGB.Zerok wrote:
Can someone explain me a little better what is ladder tier? My english sucks



Ladder tier means theirs different tiers in each league/division so just because you are at rank 1 in diamond you could be at a low tier division in diamond meaning you probably won't be promoted just because of that. This change will make it easier to tell where you are in terms of skill and whether you will be promoted or not.



Thx!
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
September 07 2012 01:22 GMT
#27
On September 07 2012 10:20 blade55555 wrote:
So does that mean no more divisions unless I am mistaken?


most likely? but who knows, that would mean you'd open your ladder and see thousands of names. But, maybe they will keep the divisions but have a regional ranking (like in SC2ranks) next to your name. Who knows how it will work, but they promised that being rank 1 in masters means you are literally #1 in masters so we will see.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 07 2012 01:22 GMT
#28
On September 07 2012 10:16 DGB.Zerok wrote:
Can someone explain me a little better what is ladder tier? My english sucks


Its very simple.
Before trier remove you have:

1) Some bad divisions , for players that are bit worste then others
2) Some Better divisions , for players a little bit better then others.

There was a time when you watch divisions , when in one division top 10 players have like 1500 points , and in other division top 10 players have like 700-800 points.

Now you only get one kind of division , mixing better and worse player. Like blizzard write , now if you are for example in top 10 plat , you are in top 10% players in your region , ofc plat
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Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
September 07 2012 01:22 GMT
#29
After this change, climbing to (for example) Rank 2 Diamond will mean that you are in the top 2% of all Diamond players, and you are very close to moving into the Master League. Similarly, Rank 50 Platinum is in the top 50% in the Platinum league, and so forth.


How would that work, then? Wouldn't that mean that individual divisions would have to be entirely fluid? After all, if you have a division with 100 at one point selected players, that is static apart from promotions and demotions, it'd be impossible to make such a definitive statement.
antifan
Profile Joined August 2012
116 Posts
September 07 2012 01:22 GMT
#30
Tal darim just needs to be removed period.
phfantunes
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil170 Posts
September 07 2012 01:23 GMT
#31
Sorry for my stupidity, but I'm still not sure how the no tier system is going to work. Do we still have divisions? Are all players within a league (bronze, silver, gold, platinum, etc) ranked in the same division? Do you move between divisions in the new system? Or does the division thing stays but if you make it to the top of it, it means you're close to a promotion? In this case how exactly are they arranging divisions, since some would be easier than others?
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
September 07 2012 01:23 GMT
#32
So wait will we no longer have tiers? So will we still see our point compared to others? Or will it just be your rank shown to show you how high you are?
FalconPunch
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States134 Posts
September 07 2012 01:23 GMT
#33
On September 07 2012 10:16 DGB.Zerok wrote:
Can someone explain me a little better what is ladder tier? My english sucks


Before, two rank 1 platinum players may have totally different skill levels.. because one was in a harder division while the other was in the weaker division.

After the change, two rank 1 platinum players will have roughly the same skill levels; they both will be top 1% of platinum players.
You only live twice.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
September 07 2012 01:24 GMT
#34
On September 07 2012 10:20 blade55555 wrote:
So does that mean no more divisions unless I am mistaken?


Bronze, silver, gold, plat, diamond, master, GM all still exist.

No tiers in these divisions.

Unless you mean division like "beta zeratul" division. In this case, yes there should still be some i think? But your rank will correspond to skill position more accurately? tbh I dont even understand how this works but it wont matter because I play the game and dont care specifically what place i am in on a list of people in a ladder division.

Though how being rank 50 means you are in top 50% percentile i dont understand what with bonus pool and ladder being based on points and not MMR. But here it seems like MMR shows where you are in the overall pool of diamond players for example. In which case your points is your MMR????

We should just simply use an elo system and give people a rank based on that.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
September 07 2012 01:25 GMT
#35
Oh, they removed the rock on TDA, so I revetoed it :D
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
September 07 2012 01:25 GMT
#36
That is cool. Doe the first time since Season 1 this actually matters to me since I have recently started laddering again. LoL. I hope the changes work out...but I also hope that someday they will implement a 2v2 map where you can actually expand on...
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 01:27:28
September 07 2012 01:26 GMT
#37
On September 07 2012 10:23 phfantunes wrote:
Sorry for my stupidity, but I'm still not sure how the no tier system is going to work. Do we still have divisions? Are all players within a league (bronze, silver, gold, platinum, etc) ranked in the same division? Do you move between divisions in the new system? Or does the division thing stays but if you make it to the top of it, it means you're close to a promotion? In this case how exactly are they arranging divisions, since some would be easier than others?


Not one division , there will be still 100 players division , but with mix of better and worste players. No waek , good divisions anymore. Watch my post up

So now if you hit for example top 10 , you are in top 10% players in your region NA/EU/KR etc etc
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Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 07 2012 01:27 GMT
#38
This is awesome. Hidden tiers was an awful system.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
GHSTxJet
Profile Joined January 2012
United States154 Posts
September 07 2012 01:27 GMT
#39
Now zerg can have 8 bases on tal'darim before a terran or toss can hit a mid game timing =]
SuppySon
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 07 2012 01:28 GMT
#40
Rocks removed from the third base for all starting locations


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