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On August 30 2012 11:45 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:37 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:26 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
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since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual? that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it. So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong? i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? there is no privacy for people working in the entertaining industry, don't work in that field if it bothers you that much. I literally just said: Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. That doesn't mean we have to give tattle-tales with a grudge such free reign to hurt people's careers. On August 30 2012 11:28 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
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since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual? that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it. So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong? i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? i'm not terribly interested in presenting my own view of why i feel its morally wrong for a "public" figure to do what destiny did or why im interested in setting a standard for professionalism in e-sports. my original point was that Fayth wanted to make the distinction between his public and private actions while i argued that it was non-sensical for him to think that such a distinction existed since his private actions could become public creating negative consequences that he should expect. he could also have moral reasons for not being an asshole i just didn't feel like appealing to that side would do much good seeing his replies earlier in the thread. Your view of professionalism seems to be based around an idea of phantom "negative consequences" which involve a vocal minority that isn't part of the community writing enough angry letters to get someone ejected from a team. If you can't elaborate, this is untenable. i didn't say that, i said i'm not going to put forward my viewpoint because who gives a shit. you can find it as untenable as you want. having said that negative consequences are not a phantom idea they are a concrete concept, apparent by the fact the Destiny has in fact been fired.
You have such confidence in your opinion you're going to withhold it from a discussion?
You're not reading. I have explained 50 times that it's obvious bad shit happens. That's an observation, it's not an argument. You have yet to explain why it is at all fair or sensible that random people, disconnected from the actual scene, are allowed to single out innocuous behavior from someone they don't know and don't follow, write to a random sponsor they don't know or follow, and complain so much that they take his job? Is this to defend your nebulous idea of professionalism? What good is this doing for anybody? Why should this happen? Can you answer anything?
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On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:31 Aerisky wrote:
Shame. Best of luck to ROOT in the future and much respect to them for making this difficult decision.
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I agree with this mostly. The hate for Fayth and TT1 is also somewhat ridiculous. Some of these people are shockingly abusive with their harping and negative attitude towards them. Root made a commendable decision in also deciding to suspend Fayth and TT1, and these kids are trying to provoke a reaction or something out of them. I don't even know. kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me
oh wow. how blind can you be? she obv hurt or else she wouldnt have posted dick pics on twitter? why are you doing this to CatZ / ROOT? they needed to get rid of destiny it seems you want to be next.
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Good call, good riddance. A mediocre player (compared to the best, Koreans). Not a big loss.
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On August 30 2012 11:43 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:42 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 Shaddar wrote:On August 30 2012 11:38 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:33 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:30 LeaF_SD wrote:On August 30 2012 11:21 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 zidaneshead wrote:
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I'm just saying from one guy to another it's never a good idea to name drop specific people in cases like this.
well he's the most know BM figure so I don't see how it would do him any harm, it's just an exemple since everybody knows him Is this guys seriously a professional player representing a brand? I feel bad for whoever their sponsors are, these guys are seriously running wild like immature kids. Who cares what people say what in private or behind their backs? I don't give a rat's ass if IdrA or destiny's talks smack behind other people's back? Who cares? The problem comes when you engage in excessive inappropriate behavior Is talking smack in a competitive scene inappropriate? No. It promotes competitiveness and allows viewers to be more excited. Is sharing pics of nude people inappropriate behavior? In private, who the hell cares? In public...of course it is. How can you say you wouldn't be punished if it became public? That's just stupidity to think Destiny shouldn't get punished. IdrA talk shit all the time, thats just part of the game. Come post here if he does crap like Destiny and then you can talk. You defending Destiny is just as dumb. Seriously don't post dude, you're just making ROOT more of a joke. Such childish and immature behavior for a "pro" gamer. well the nude pics were never made public, ever, so yeah ur entire post is invalid he's not talking about the actual pic being made public, but the ACT of that a private and intimate picture were being shared without consent of the owner being made public and nobody representing ROOT did exactly that, so what's the point? The point is that what destiny did actually did become public knowledge. Because someone invaded his privacy Which is bad, but destiny still did something terrible. Bad, but I wouldn't go that far. Terrible would be murdering someone.
Indeed. Destiny still did something bad...so what do you want to do about it? Does that let anybody load on the slander and flame to his/her heart's content? Abusing someone and attempting to justify one's ridiculously negative/accusatory attitude in this way is also quite bad, in my opinion.
Unless my facts are terribly wrong, Destiny shared nude pictures of that girl in private to a few friends, who made several very bad comments. The girl found out and took revenge by basically making the entire thing public, essentially ending Destiny (whom I've never liked, but this honestly matters little)'s career with ROOT. And yet people still blame taking it public and load the whole thing on Destiny, Fayth, and TT1. What the girl did was far worse. It doesn't mean what Destiny did, nor does it make what his teammates' privately commented (which had never been intended for the public and was just between friends), any less sleazy (or whatever you want to call it). But at this point it's rather silly to verbally abuse them when they're already down, so to speak, and distort the facts just to insult them more when the situation has been made clear.
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On August 30 2012 11:53 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:48 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:31 Aerisky wrote:
Shame. Best of luck to ROOT in the future and much respect to them for making this difficult decision.
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I agree with this mostly. The hate for Fayth and TT1 is also somewhat ridiculous. Some of these people are shockingly abusive with their harping and negative attitude towards them. Root made a commendable decision in also deciding to suspend Fayth and TT1, and these kids are trying to provoke a reaction or something out of them. I don't even know. kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. At least he's not indulging in dishonest 'omg I'm soooo sorry'. I feel it was disrespectful to said girl, but equally props to Fayth for confessing to it. How do you prop people for being an ass is beyond me. Being an honest douchbag "because that's just how I am" is just another short way of saying "I am inconsiderate and don't give a fuck". Obviously it would be better for honest apologies, but even one for the sake of one shows that at least he cares enough about his images and gives leeway to the victim (not saying what bluetea done is right, fyi)
And being disingenuous about it and claiming to be remorseful is good? Especially if you've inferred that you'd KNOW his apology would be bullshit and have him lying through his teeth?
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On August 30 2012 11:51 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:31 Aerisky wrote:Shame. Best of luck to ROOT in the future and much respect to them for making this difficult decision. On August 30 2012 11:25 Shaddar wrote:
Oh for fuck's sake, I bet everyone judging Destiny has said things in private conversations that would look just as bad if they got leaked. Get off your high horses. I agree with this mostly. The hate for Fayth and TT1 is also somewhat ridiculous. Some of these people are shockingly abusive with their harping and negative attitude towards them. Root made a commendable decision in also deciding to suspend Fayth and TT1, and these kids are trying to provoke a reaction or something out of them. I don't even know. kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. oh so it's just a matter of wording now, I'll get it, I'll be nice and hypocrit from now on, would be a lot easier if people weren't so damn sensitive
No fucking shit. Saying "she is not my type" is very different from "she looks 10x worse than this and I thought she was a man".
That's not a sensitivity issues, that's just being an asshole.
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On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:31 Aerisky wrote:
Shame. Best of luck to ROOT in the future and much respect to them for making this difficult decision.
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I agree with this mostly. The hate for Fayth and TT1 is also somewhat ridiculous. Some of these people are shockingly abusive with their harping and negative attitude towards them. Root made a commendable decision in also deciding to suspend Fayth and TT1, and these kids are trying to provoke a reaction or something out of them. I don't even know. kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me
IIRC (could be thinking of another player) there was a long thread about people bashing both you and your (then) girlfriend's looks for multiple pages.
That's just how the internet works, people should kind of learn to deal with it.
And yeah, I'm sure none of you guys have insulted someone's looks before in the company of close friends. Grow up.
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On August 30 2012 11:55 nikoYO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:
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kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me oh wow. how blind can you be? she obv hurt or else she wouldnt have posted dick pics on twitter? why are you doing this to CatZ / ROOT? they needed to get rid of destiny it seems you want to be next.
Wait Fayth's on ROOT? I thought it was just a troll account, I've never heard of him as part of the scene
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with all the attention on Destiny i just realised how funny fayth and tt1's punishments were. i guess they did it purely to show their sponsors that some of disciplinary action was taken so that in future, tt1 and fayth can never talk bad about somebody's looks even in a private setting. just unlucky eh ;p
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On August 30 2012 11:56 Chengakz wrote:
Good call, good riddance. A mediocre player (compared to the best, Koreans). Not a big loss.
Yes because ROOT is filled to the brim with talent far superior to Destiny, right?
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That would be hypocritical; casters and players keep telling the fans to contact companies when they do things that help the esports community to let them know it is appreciated. Now the tables have turned; that very advice was taken, people are contacting these companies when players they sponsor do things they do not like.
Was this reaction excessive? In my opinion, yes... but I will not condemn those who did contact the sponsors.
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On August 30 2012 11:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:
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kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me The fact that you remember the criticism of a 7 year picture suggests otherwise.
I remember when haypro was C2 on wgtour
I guess I care a lot about that too
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Wait, the people who contacted the sponsors are they some kind of "serious dudes that no one wants to fuck with?" like someone posted that the r/srs is somewhat people you don't want to get mad at you? Like some people in this thread doesn't make any sense at all. People just spitting out random stuff just to make things worse than they already are.
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On August 30 2012 11:55 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:45 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:26 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:
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that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it. So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong? i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? there is no privacy for people working in the entertaining industry, don't work in that field if it bothers you that much. I literally just said: Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. That doesn't mean we have to give tattle-tales with a grudge such free reign to hurt people's careers. On August 30 2012 11:28 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:
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that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it. So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong? i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? i'm not terribly interested in presenting my own view of why i feel its morally wrong for a "public" figure to do what destiny did or why im interested in setting a standard for professionalism in e-sports. my original point was that Fayth wanted to make the distinction between his public and private actions while i argued that it was non-sensical for him to think that such a distinction existed since his private actions could become public creating negative consequences that he should expect. he could also have moral reasons for not being an asshole i just didn't feel like appealing to that side would do much good seeing his replies earlier in the thread. Your view of professionalism seems to be based around an idea of phantom "negative consequences" which involve a vocal minority that isn't part of the community writing enough angry letters to get someone ejected from a team. If you can't elaborate, this is untenable. i didn't say that, i said i'm not going to put forward my viewpoint because who gives a shit. you can find it as untenable as you want. having said that negative consequences are not a phantom idea they are a concrete concept, apparent by the fact the Destiny has in fact been fired. You have such confidence in your opinion you're going to withhold it from a discussion? You're not reading. I have explained 50 times that it's obvious bad shit happens. That's an observation, it's not an argument. You have yet to explain why it is at all fair or sensible that random people, disconnected from the actual scene, are allowed to single out innocuous behavior from someone they don't know and don't follow, write to a random sponsor they don't know or follow, and complain so much that they take his job? Is this to defend your nebulous idea of professionalism? What good is this doing for anybody? Why should this happen? Can you answer anything?
an observation can be an argument. it could even be called a fact. can i answer anything? no not really, and i don't think i ever gave you any other impression. i like your use of the word nebulous though.
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On August 30 2012 12:01 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:
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privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me The fact that you remember the criticism of a 7 year picture suggests otherwise. I remember when haypro was C2 on wgtour I guess I care a lot about that too
Seems like you cared enough to remember that too. No need to put up a tough guy facade about it though.
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On August 30 2012 11:57 pindleskin wrote:
with all the attention on Destiny i just realised how funny fayth and tt1's punishments were. i guess they did it purely to show their sponsors that some of disciplinary action was taken so that in future, tt1 and fayth can never talk bad about somebody's looks even in a private setting. just unlucky eh ;p
Indeed. How dare they act like human beings?! Don't they know they are in the public eye and are now potential role models!?!?!?!? They need to be professional and act like robots at all times!
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i feel like i have to counter all this negativity by doing something positive for the community, i dunno wat to do tho
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This is silly. None of this deserves to be outside the privacy of Destiny and Bluetea's relationship, whatever that may be. Can't believe anyone felt righteous in e-mailing sponsors over it.
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On August 30 2012 12:02 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:55 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:45 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:26 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:
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So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong? i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? there is no privacy for people working in the entertaining industry, don't work in that field if it bothers you that much. I literally just said: Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. That doesn't mean we have to give tattle-tales with a grudge such free reign to hurt people's careers. On August 30 2012 11:28 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:
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So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong? i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? i'm not terribly interested in presenting my own view of why i feel its morally wrong for a "public" figure to do what destiny did or why im interested in setting a standard for professionalism in e-sports. my original point was that Fayth wanted to make the distinction between his public and private actions while i argued that it was non-sensical for him to think that such a distinction existed since his private actions could become public creating negative consequences that he should expect. he could also have moral reasons for not being an asshole i just didn't feel like appealing to that side would do much good seeing his replies earlier in the thread. Your view of professionalism seems to be based around an idea of phantom "negative consequences" which involve a vocal minority that isn't part of the community writing enough angry letters to get someone ejected from a team. If you can't elaborate, this is untenable. i didn't say that, i said i'm not going to put forward my viewpoint because who gives a shit. you can find it as untenable as you want. having said that negative consequences are not a phantom idea they are a concrete concept, apparent by the fact the Destiny has in fact been fired. You have such confidence in your opinion you're going to withhold it from a discussion? You're not reading. I have explained 50 times that it's obvious bad shit happens. That's an observation, it's not an argument. You have yet to explain why it is at all fair or sensible that random people, disconnected from the actual scene, are allowed to single out innocuous behavior from someone they don't know and don't follow, write to a random sponsor they don't know or follow, and complain so much that they take his job? Is this to defend your nebulous idea of professionalism? What good is this doing for anybody? Why should this happen? Can you answer anything? an observation can be an argument. it could even be called a fact. can i answer anything? no not really, and i don't think i ever gave you any other impression. i like your use of the word nebulous though.
That specific observation is not an argument.
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On August 30 2012 12:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
i feel like i have to counter all this negativity by doing something positive for the community, i dunno wat to do tho
awww ;( don't say that!
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