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On August 30 2012 11:55 nikoYO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:
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kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me oh wow. how blind can you be? she obv hurt or else she wouldnt have posted dick pics on twitter? why are you doing this to CatZ / ROOT? they needed to get rid of destiny it seems you want to be next.
she's hurt by destiny betraying her trust, not by some random guy (me) saying she's not attractive........
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On August 30 2012 11:25 nikoYO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:20 Sokrates wrote:
Wow it was PRIVATE conversation, as if you guys never did that. Ofc it was not ok to share nude pics of someone who trusted you, i wouldnt do it. But EVERYONE of us had this kind of "mantalk", judging girls on their looks, boobs whatever. Everyone who is saying he isnt doing it is either a) a liar or b) doesnt have any friends to do this kind of conversation. So dont be such hypocrites. I dont think that what destiny did was 100% ok, because it wasnt. It was not ok to share nude pics. Then again i guess both guys didnt know who she was.
Still i hate this "political correctness" shit because it is so twofaced and hypocritic. People messaging the sponsors are the WORST kind of people i could EVER imagine. You people are the reason why the world is fucking two faced. You people are making other people hold back about their TRUE thoughts and opinions because if they acutally would say their TRUE REAL opinions they most likely would suffer from any kind of public punishment. Thats why there is so much shit in the world that acutally shouldnt be there because nobody wants to talk the realtalk. Everybody keeps hiding their real opinion and exchanges his opionen with a "political correct" opionion so he/she doesnt have to suffer from any kind of punishment by the hypocrits.
Well this might post might be blown up too much for this kind of little thing but yet it is true. It will start to corrupt esports because if someone does something that is "inappropriate" some hypocrits will start messaging their sponsors and they will get punished. Great job. Hope you enjoy yourself making esports steril and colourless. I hope you enjoy yourself destroying the freedom of the top gamers to misbehave. We all play games to get a rest from the allday stuff and sometimes we misbehave and we do say stupid things, but that is a big part why we acutally like the gamingcommunity. And then all of a sudden if someone has some decent success and his "carreer" becomes public people want the gamers to change? For what reason? Take a way their joy in misbehaving? It is a part of esports its a part of the esports culture. Yes esports is becoming more professional but the professional side shouldnt ruin the basic concept. Our "escape" from the real world, even if it is just for a brief moment.
Now he did what? Having a private conversation with two guys and sending nude pictures of a girl he shouldnt have. Ok thats not correct but still this kind of mistake now forces a good friend of him to disband him from the team. This shit shouldnt have never ever any impact on his gaming career whatsoever, but yet it has, thanks to all the pathetic hypocrits out there.
basicly he just had bad luck enraging the wrong people. im posting the link again and people should read it and then you know who emailed the sponsors. they listed all of destinys moves and found out he is a two faced lier with double standards and that pissed them off quite good... http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/ytijd/effortpost_starcraft_2_player_steve_bonnell_aka/
I knew about this thread for like a few days. This kind of people are also twofaced and full of hatred. Its not enough punishment that he got his dick posted to 5000+ people, no he as to be punished even more. They accuse him of being two faced but are two faced hypocrits themselves. But i m 100% sure not only this people msged the sponsors but also people who are envolved into the esports community aswell. Just think about the "racial slurs" topic.
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On August 30 2012 12:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
i feel like i have to counter all this negativity by doing something positive for the community, i dunno wat to do tho
The only thing you have to do, and should do for that matter, is not repeat the same mistakes.
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On August 30 2012 12:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
i feel like i have to counter all this negativity by doing something positive for the community, i dunno wat to do tho
I emailed Mionix for sponsoring Naniwa, and told them I'd checked them out after hearing about them through it and ordered a mouse.
Anything that shows a benefit from being involved in E-sports I suppose!
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On August 30 2012 11:56 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:53 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:48 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:
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kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. At least he's not indulging in dishonest 'omg I'm soooo sorry'. I feel it was disrespectful to said girl, but equally props to Fayth for confessing to it. How do you prop people for being an ass is beyond me. Being an honest douchbag "because that's just how I am" is just another short way of saying "I am inconsiderate and don't give a fuck". Obviously it would be better for honest apologies, but even one for the sake of one shows that at least he cares enough about his images and gives leeway to the victim (not saying what bluetea done is right, fyi) And being disingenuous about it and claiming to be remorseful is good? Especially if you've inferred that you'd KNOW his apology would be bullshit and have him lying through his teeth?
I don't feel like spending time debating this, but the reason why should be quite obvious. Apologies, even fake one that he/she doesn't personally believes, gives victim some "face" back. Ignoring it, or worse, repeats what he said sends messages such as "victim is below me and not worth my time" and "I am too proud to admit my mistakes"
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On August 30 2012 12:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
i feel like i have to counter all this negativity by doing something positive for the community, i dunno wat to do tho
Leak a picture of your dick.
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On August 30 2012 12:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
i feel like i have to counter all this negativity by doing something positive for the community, i dunno wat to do tho
HOTS customs tournament
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Good to see the ROOT members aren't out here in full force just eating up all the attention and publicity.. Otherwise things could get even worse if they did so.
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On August 30 2012 11:56 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:53 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:48 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:
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kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. At least he's not indulging in dishonest 'omg I'm soooo sorry'. I feel it was disrespectful to said girl, but equally props to Fayth for confessing to it. How do you prop people for being an ass is beyond me. Being an honest douchbag "because that's just how I am" is just another short way of saying "I am inconsiderate and don't give a fuck". Obviously it would be better for honest apologies, but even one for the sake of one shows that at least he cares enough about his images and gives leeway to the victim (not saying what bluetea done is right, fyi) And being disingenuous about it and claiming to be remorseful is good? Especially if you've inferred that you'd KNOW his apology would be bullshit and have him lying through his teeth?
I don't feel like spending time debating this, but the reason why should be quite obvious. Apologies, even fake one that he/she doesn't personally believes, gives victim some "face" back. Ignoring it, or worse, continue to trout his wrongdoing sends messages such as "victim is below me and not worth my time" and "I am too proud to admit my mistakes"
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On August 30 2012 11:51 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:48 Dosey wrote:On August 30 2012 11:42 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 Shaddar wrote:On August 30 2012 11:38 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:33 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:30 LeaF_SD wrote:On August 30 2012 11:21 ROOTFayth wrote:
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well he's the most know BM figure so I don't see how it would do him any harm, it's just an exemple since everybody knows him Is this guys seriously a professional player representing a brand? I feel bad for whoever their sponsors are, these guys are seriously running wild like immature kids. Who cares what people say what in private or behind their backs? I don't give a rat's ass if IdrA or destiny's talks smack behind other people's back? Who cares? The problem comes when you engage in excessive inappropriate behavior Is talking smack in a competitive scene inappropriate? No. It promotes competitiveness and allows viewers to be more excited. Is sharing pics of nude people inappropriate behavior? In private, who the hell cares? In public...of course it is. How can you say you wouldn't be punished if it became public? That's just stupidity to think Destiny shouldn't get punished. IdrA talk shit all the time, thats just part of the game. Come post here if he does crap like Destiny and then you can talk. You defending Destiny is just as dumb. Seriously don't post dude, you're just making ROOT more of a joke. Such childish and immature behavior for a "pro" gamer. well the nude pics were never made public, ever, so yeah ur entire post is invalid he's not talking about the actual pic being made public, but the ACT of that a private and intimate picture were being shared without consent of the owner being made public and nobody representing ROOT did exactly that, so what's the point? The point is that what destiny did actually did become public knowledge. Because someone invaded his privacy Which is bad, but destiny still did something terrible. Terrible? He showed two close friends pictures of a naked girl. Any girl, or guy for that matter, that sends a naked picture to someone they are not in a relationship with should expect them to share it with their closest friends. People like to brag, they like to hear opinions, it's human nature. If you don't understand this, then you are an idiot and shouldn't be sending pictures in the first place. One of the most sensible posts I've seen in this thread
Seriously, does no one else see that most people would have done the same thing with their friends in this situation? Honestly, who gives a shit if they talked about a girl and didnt like how she looked? We do it every day. We dont look at everyone with a huge smile and think everyone is fucking beautiful today. No. We judge and criticize people, both openly with people and inside our own minds. Just because Destiny is a professional gamer doesnt make him any less of a human being. Sure, it was wrong to do and let get out to the public, because frankly that is a little inappropriate. But if you are going to punish ROOT sponsors with complaints and lack of support, and subsequently ROOT players who weren't even involved, then you are hurting other innocent people like Destiny might have, and that makes you as much of an asshole as you perceive him. And that also goes out to everyone flaming Destiny for being a BMer and being a douchebag. At least he is fucking honest about the large majority of what he says.
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On August 30 2012 12:02 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 12:02 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:55 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:45 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:26 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:
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i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? there is no privacy for people working in the entertaining industry, don't work in that field if it bothers you that much. I literally just said: Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. That doesn't mean we have to give tattle-tales with a grudge such free reign to hurt people's careers. On August 30 2012 11:28 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:
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i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? i'm not terribly interested in presenting my own view of why i feel its morally wrong for a "public" figure to do what destiny did or why im interested in setting a standard for professionalism in e-sports. my original point was that Fayth wanted to make the distinction between his public and private actions while i argued that it was non-sensical for him to think that such a distinction existed since his private actions could become public creating negative consequences that he should expect. he could also have moral reasons for not being an asshole i just didn't feel like appealing to that side would do much good seeing his replies earlier in the thread. Your view of professionalism seems to be based around an idea of phantom "negative consequences" which involve a vocal minority that isn't part of the community writing enough angry letters to get someone ejected from a team. If you can't elaborate, this is untenable. i didn't say that, i said i'm not going to put forward my viewpoint because who gives a shit. you can find it as untenable as you want. having said that negative consequences are not a phantom idea they are a concrete concept, apparent by the fact the Destiny has in fact been fired. You have such confidence in your opinion you're going to withhold it from a discussion? You're not reading. I have explained 50 times that it's obvious bad shit happens. That's an observation, it's not an argument. You have yet to explain why it is at all fair or sensible that random people, disconnected from the actual scene, are allowed to single out innocuous behavior from someone they don't know and don't follow, write to a random sponsor they don't know or follow, and complain so much that they take his job? Is this to defend your nebulous idea of professionalism? What good is this doing for anybody? Why should this happen? Can you answer anything? an observation can be an argument. it could even be called a fact. can i answer anything? no not really, and i don't think i ever gave you any other impression. i like your use of the word nebulous though. That specific observation is not an argument.
you had good questions why don't you answer them while i go sleep.
im sorry man im just trolling a bit. im too tired that why im not arguing.
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On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:34 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:31 Aerisky wrote:
Shame. Best of luck to ROOT in the future and much respect to them for making this difficult decision.
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I agree with this mostly. The hate for Fayth and TT1 is also somewhat ridiculous. Some of these people are shockingly abusive with their harping and negative attitude towards them. Root made a commendable decision in also deciding to suspend Fayth and TT1, and these kids are trying to provoke a reaction or something out of them. I don't even know. kind of hard to like someone when they publicly abuse a person's look just for the sake of doing it. privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me
That really only counts if you can prove that she made fun of you.
The right thing to do for yourself (even as just an act of selfishness) was to apologize with or without an excuse. It's too late for that now. There is a reason why people involved with public relations are so fake. It's better for their careers.
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Wait, why do people care if Fayth thinks a girl is ugly and he said that with two of his friends in a Skype chat?
She doesn't exactly have a pretty face, you know.
Don't you guys have more important things to care about than what some guy said about a girl you don't know in a private conversation?
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On August 30 2012 11:56 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:55 nikoYO wrote:On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 ROOTFayth wrote:
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privately* what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me oh wow. how blind can you be? she obv hurt or else she wouldnt have posted dick pics on twitter? why are you doing this to CatZ / ROOT? they needed to get rid of destiny it seems you want to be next. Wait Fayth's on ROOT? I thought it was just a troll account, I've never heard of him as part of the scene
I honestly haven't been so active on SC2, even though I'm a talented player, I just stick around as part of the team but if they'd decide to get rid of me for business reasons I would be ok with it
I mean I'm not gonna lie I'm about just as inactive as kiwikaki is right now
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On August 30 2012 12:06 Soma Cruz wrote:
Wait, why do people care if Fayth thinks a girl is ugly and he said that with two of his friends in a Skype chat?
She doesn't exactly have a pretty face, you know.
Don't you guys have more important things to care about than what some guy said about a girl you don't know in a private conversation?
Direct this to the dozens of whistle-blowers that felt the need to write to ROOT, and the sponsors regarding destiny.
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On August 30 2012 12:06 Soma Cruz wrote:
Wait, why do people care if Fayth thinks a girl is ugly and he said that with two of his friends in a Skype chat?
She doesn't exactly have a pretty face, you know.
Don't you guys have more important things to care about than what some guy said about a girl you don't know in a private conversation?
yeah i agree with you. Like everyone in here has been thinking or said that some girl is not attractive at all. Like i don't understand why it's being a big issue here. Fayth and TT1 is 2 great guys here like....hm....
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On August 30 2012 12:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 12:01 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:54 CosmicSpiral wrote:On August 30 2012 11:52 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:49 EnE wrote:On August 30 2012 11:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:41 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 iky43210 wrote:
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what privately, you just criticize her a few more times few pages ago I just reiterated what was already public..... I mean yeah just because this has been made public didn't change my opinion on her looks, I'm sorry, and I also told her that when we discussed on skype while she was on steven's account you're not sorry, you're just a douche bag. At least have the decency to apologize for your criticism now that its public we get it, you're an unlikable ass. Nobody wants to hear your newly iteration of why someone is ugly yeah sure I'm a douchebag because I don't think a girl is good looking whatever floats ur boat man -_- you went past the point of stating someone is not good looking, and keep your disrespectful and inconsiderate criticism on someone's look to yourself. Yeah. Thinking someone isn't good looking =/= saying attrociously hurtful things about them on a forum to accompany their picture. lots of people made fun of my looks back in 2005 on a really bad wcg picture of myself nobody on TL was criticized for it 0 fucks was given by me The fact that you remember the criticism of a 7 year picture suggests otherwise. I remember when haypro was C2 on wgtour I guess I care a lot about that too Seems like you cared enough to remember that too. No need to put up a tough guy facade about it though.
hahaha you can't be serious, what's ur definition of caring
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On August 30 2012 12:05 vultdylan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:51 Shaddar wrote:On August 30 2012 11:48 Dosey wrote:On August 30 2012 11:42 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 11:39 Shaddar wrote:On August 30 2012 11:38 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 11:36 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:35 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:33 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 11:30 LeaF_SD wrote:
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Is this guys seriously a professional player representing a brand? I feel bad for whoever their sponsors are, these guys are seriously running wild like immature kids. Who cares what people say what in private or behind their backs? I don't give a rat's ass if IdrA or destiny's talks smack behind other people's back? Who cares?
The problem comes when you engage in excessive inappropriate behavior Is talking smack in a competitive scene inappropriate? No. It promotes competitiveness and allows viewers to be more excited.
Is sharing pics of nude people inappropriate behavior? In private, who the hell cares? In public...of course it is. How can you say you wouldn't be punished if it became public? That's just stupidity to think Destiny shouldn't get punished. IdrA talk shit all the time, thats just part of the game. Come post here if he does crap like Destiny and then you can talk.
You defending Destiny is just as dumb. Seriously don't post dude, you're just making ROOT more of a joke. Such childish and immature behavior for a "pro" gamer.
well the nude pics were never made public, ever, so yeah ur entire post is invalid he's not talking about the actual pic being made public, but the ACT of that a private and intimate picture were being shared without consent of the owner being made public and nobody representing ROOT did exactly that, so what's the point? The point is that what destiny did actually did become public knowledge. Because someone invaded his privacy Which is bad, but destiny still did something terrible. Terrible? He showed two close friends pictures of a naked girl. Any girl, or guy for that matter, that sends a naked picture to someone they are not in a relationship with should expect them to share it with their closest friends. People like to brag, they like to hear opinions, it's human nature. If you don't understand this, then you are an idiot and shouldn't be sending pictures in the first place. One of the most sensible posts I've seen in this thread Seriously, does no one else see that most people would have done the same thing with their friends in this situation? Honestly, who gives a shit if they talked about a girl and didnt like how she looked? We do it every day. We dont look at everyone with a huge smile and think everyone is fucking beautiful today. No. We judge and criticize people, both openly with people and inside our own minds. Just because Destiny is a professional gamer doesnt make him any less of a human being.
It's a fair point.
Is what Destiny did really that wrong? He had the decency to keep his thoughts to himself, he shared some pics between a couple of friends. Is everyone criticizing him for that honestly gonna tell me that no one here has ever bragged about a lay? I bet plenty of dudes ripping Destiny have. Are all the ladies here ripping him gonna tell me they've never ever bragged to their friends about their new man's horse dick/6 pack abs/handsome face/whatever? Have you never played Would You/Wouldn't You in your own mind or with your friends? If you answer no to all of those questions frankly I don't believe you.
For the record, I think he's a huge douche. His racist bullshit on his stream doesn't fly with me at all. But I gotta call a spade a spade.
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On August 30 2012 12:05 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 12:02 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 12:02 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:55 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:45 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:37 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:26 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:
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The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? there is no privacy for people working in the entertaining industry, don't work in that field if it bothers you that much. I literally just said: Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. That doesn't mean we have to give tattle-tales with a grudge such free reign to hurt people's careers. On August 30 2012 11:28 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:22 oBlade wrote:On August 30 2012 11:17 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:
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The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private? the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. Yes, it's pragmatic to be wary of the fact that there could always be someone watching. I was speaking ethically, that's why I said "ethical," so unless you're going to take the position that people shouldn't have privacy, you haven't contradicted me, just dodged the point. Your analysis is on the level of "well watch out, sometimes if you go outside, you might get shot." That doesn't mean people are going to stop going outside, or that we should stop working to fix our society so we don't shoot people. all the while you may not care but other people may No, why should anyone care? What's the reason? Your argument is someone should lose his job just because he did something in private, someone violated that privacy, and someone else... cared? i'm not terribly interested in presenting my own view of why i feel its morally wrong for a "public" figure to do what destiny did or why im interested in setting a standard for professionalism in e-sports. my original point was that Fayth wanted to make the distinction between his public and private actions while i argued that it was non-sensical for him to think that such a distinction existed since his private actions could become public creating negative consequences that he should expect. he could also have moral reasons for not being an asshole i just didn't feel like appealing to that side would do much good seeing his replies earlier in the thread. Your view of professionalism seems to be based around an idea of phantom "negative consequences" which involve a vocal minority that isn't part of the community writing enough angry letters to get someone ejected from a team. If you can't elaborate, this is untenable. i didn't say that, i said i'm not going to put forward my viewpoint because who gives a shit. you can find it as untenable as you want. having said that negative consequences are not a phantom idea they are a concrete concept, apparent by the fact the Destiny has in fact been fired. You have such confidence in your opinion you're going to withhold it from a discussion? You're not reading. I have explained 50 times that it's obvious bad shit happens. That's an observation, it's not an argument. You have yet to explain why it is at all fair or sensible that random people, disconnected from the actual scene, are allowed to single out innocuous behavior from someone they don't know and don't follow, write to a random sponsor they don't know or follow, and complain so much that they take his job? Is this to defend your nebulous idea of professionalism? What good is this doing for anybody? Why should this happen? Can you answer anything? an observation can be an argument. it could even be called a fact. can i answer anything? no not really, and i don't think i ever gave you any other impression. i like your use of the word nebulous though. That specific observation is not an argument. you had good questions why don't you answer them while i go sleep.
There are probably good arguments against my position, but instead taking a stab at coming up with an argument and presenting it here, you're trying to play a rhetorical trick in front of the "audience" by getting some last word in, without clarifying or justifying the things you've said. How have I let you lead me on for so long, while you said so little every step of the way?
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Sharing nude pics is not ok if the person doesnt want them shared.
Dude had it coming imo.
also LOL
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